Proof of Vaccination or Negative COVID Test required for theme parks soon?

[mickEblu]

I applaud the Sheriff of LA and employees of Southwest Airlines for standing up to the tyrants.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I applaud the Sheriff of LA and employees of Southwest Airlines for standing up to the tyrants.

So people trying to end a pandemic are tyrants. Interesting view.

 

[TP2000]

Latinx is used interchangeably with Latino/ Latin@, but the actual best alternative to Latino is Latine, because E is the gender-neutral letter in Spanish. As a neologism, it's okay. I liked it a lot at first because it reminded me of the X-Men, but Latine actually makes more sense. Latin people, in general, have issues getting rid of gendered language and gender roles, to toxic levels, because it's what they've based their entire identity on and any deviation from that is the end of the world. Any threat to the machismo of any kind directly threatens them...some....how? Latine at least cites its origins from actual Spanish-speaking LGBTQIA+, gender non-binary people. I think it's a nice way for people who existed pre-Colonization to reclaim their identity and assert their Latin-ness, etc. Spanish is a very masculine-leaning language, and I can see how (and agree with) people who want to push back against it if they don't fit into those parameters. I prefer Latine because it makes more grammatical sense (if that makes sense).

Latin people hate change. They hate it to an absurd degree, and whether or not it makes sense to hold onto whatever it is they act like it's all canonical law, when much of the time, they have no idea why they're even doing it.

The three people at the dinner party certainly did hate the made up word "Latinx".

One of the women who spoke most loudly against it I am familiar with her entire life story and she's a good friend; she grew up as a first generation American in east LA, a daughter of working class Mexican immigrants. She studied hard and got a full ride scholarship to Whittier College in the late 60's and around 1970 she met a cute boy at a college party, and that boy ended up becoming both her husband and a successful heart surgeon at Mission Hospital. She is full-blooded Chicano and absolutely railed against "these snotty white college kids" who have created a word out of thin air that makes no gramattical or cultural sense to describe her.

As the snotty white college kids also say, that is her "lived experience" and "her truth". And as @Heppenheimer so nicely explained, it solves a problem that never existed. But if you can use it in a sentence in an HR meeting you get to pretend that you are very cool!

 

[TP2000]

Anyway, any update on the Magic Mountain policy?

I applaud the Sheriff of LA and employees of Southwest Airlines for standing up to the tyrants.

I think both of these things are intertwined. The question is... How does the LA County mandate to show proof of vaccination to gain access to businesses and public accomodations get enforced?

The LA County Sherrif has publicly announced he will not enforce the mandate with his own deputies, and will not ask them to enter into enforcement issues with businesses. So how does enforcement work?

Let's say I go up to a restaurant in west LA and show the hostess a faked CDC card I printed at home, or a photo of a real CDC card I got on my phone from the many text messages sending out fake CDC cards for exactly that purpose. What does the hostess do exactly if she thinks it looks suspicious? Does she begin questioning me on my medical history and vaccination record? Does she call over the "manager" to question me? How far do they take that conversation exactly? And at what point do they decide to prevent me to dine there if I'm showing them a paper CDC card?

Do they call anyone to report me? The County Sherrif doesn't want to get involved, so who do they call? How far do they go with denying to seat me in the restaurant?

Now let that scenario play out with every shop, mall, barbers, salon, gym, movie theater, etc. in LA County. How does this get enforced? And by whom?

 

[Dear Prudence]

The three people at the dinner party certainly did hate the made up word "Latinx".

One of the women who spoke most loudly against it I am familiar with her entire life story and she's a good friend; she grew up as a first generation American in east LA, a daughter of working class Mexican immigrants. She studied hard and got a full ride scholarship to Whittier College in the late 60's and around 1970 she met a cute boy at a college party, and that boy ended up becoming both her husband and a successful heart surgeon at Mission Hospital. She is full-blooded Chicano and absolutely railed against "these snotty white college kids" who have created a word out of thin air that makes no gramattical or cultural sense to describe her.

As the snotty white college kids also say, that is her "lived experience" and "her truth". And as @Heppenheimer so nicely explained, it solves a problem that never existed. But if you can use it in a sentence in an HR meeting you get to pretend that you are very cool!

Like I said, Latin people hate change more than most. It absolutely does not affect her, and because it pushes back ever so slightly against ~the canonical law~, it's the downfall of everything. (Mexico just recognized its Black citizens on its census in 2015, for crying out loud.) If she doesn't want to use it, no one is making her, but notice how so many Mexican/ Latin people REFUSE to budge even a teensy bit to be ever so slightly more inclusive to other people in their community. Latine comes from the community, and I am glad it exists. If I can make anybody feel more safe and welcome, I'll do that. (Not to diss your friend, I am sure she's a very, very nice lady, but this is part of larger cultural conversations that need to happen within the community--just look at how much push back Selena got back in the day as a female Tejano singer and now she's considered one of the greats. I hope that makes sense!)

 

[TP2000]

Like I said, Latin people hate change more than most. It absolutely does not affect her, and because it pushes back ever so slightly against ~the canonical law~, it's the downfall of everything. (Mexico just recognized its Black citizens on its census in 2015, for crying out loud.) If she doesn't want to use it, no one is making her, but notice how so many Mexican/ Latin people REFUSE to budge even a teensy bit to be ever so slightly more inclusive to other people in their community. Latine comes from the community, and I am glad it exists. If I can make anybody feel more safe and welcome, I'll do that. (Not to diss your friend, I am sure she's a very, very nice lady, but this is part of larger cultural conversations that need to happen within the community--just look at how much push back Selena got back in the day as a female Tejano singer and now she's considered one of the greats. I hope that makes sense!)

I guess the question is... who decided Latinos needed to change the Spanish language? And why?

If a bunch of straight college kids told me that I'm not allowed to call myself gay any longer, and I have to start using the word "gap" or else I'm not a good person and I'm not being inclusive and shame on me!, I would push back. How dare straight people try and tell me what to call myself! Where do they get off? Who put them in charge of my own identity? Who put them in charge of the language? And gap doesn't even make any sense.

Latinx wasn't an organic cultural change from within the Latino community. Inventing the word Latinx was a fabricated, forced change created outside the Latino community. So I don't blame them for not using that word.

About One-in-Four U.S. Hispanics Have Heard of Latinx, but Just 3% Use It

The term Latinx has emerged in recent years as a gender-neutral alternative to the pan-ethnic terms Latino, Latina and Hispanic. However, awareness of Latinx is relatively low among the population it is meant to describe.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Dear Prudence]

English only retains rare vestiges of grammatical gender, and the English use of the term "Latino" was already effectively gender neutral. "Latinx" attempts to solve a problem that didn't exist.

"Latino" is also far from the only gendered word borrowed from another language that became gender neutral in English.

@Heppenheimer can I ask, do you speak Spanish? Are you a native Spanish speaker, or did you learn it later? which dialect do you speak if you do?

The reason why I am asking isn't to pick on you, but it helps put this conversation in better context.

 

[TP2000]

Speaking of people who aren't neccesarily WASPs...

Los Angeles County knows exactly where the under-vaccinated people live and who they are. What are they doing to go after those communities and increase their vaccination rates? Only encouraging them to use a fake CDC card to get into Denny's or Magic Mountain isn't the best way to reach them, in my opinion.

From the incredibly detailed and informative Covid dashboard site that LA County operates and updates daily is this bit of broadly sweeping yet genuinely informative data....

The city of Compton is an inland LA working-class community, with majority Black and Latino populations living there. Compton has roughly 100,000 residents. They are under-vaccinated and the vaccination rate there is not climbing fast enough.

Contrast that with another community in LA County also with roughly 100,000 residents, the city of Pasadena. Pasadena is majority white, and comfortably affluent. Pasadena is highly vaccinated, higher than average, and will remain above the county average.

No one needs to worry about Pasadena. Or Beverly Hills or Pacific Palisades or Redondo Beach.

What LA County needs to worry about is Compton and other inland, working-class communities. What's their strategy to reach them and rapidly increase vaccinations there? I don't think deputizing the restaurant hostesses and turnstile ticket takers of Los Angeles is what will do it. But maybe I'm wrong?

Case rates have been dropping in LA County, as they have nationwide, for many weeks now. How do they claim victory in December I wonder?

Los Angeles County Covid Case Rates Past 90 Days - 7 Day Average

LA County Daily COVID-19 Data - LA County Department of Public Health

publichealth.lacounty.gov

 

[Nirya]

I applaud the Sheriff of LA and employees of Southwest Airlines for standing up to the tyrants.

First off, we are talking about the same Sheriff that has his own secret police as being the guy standing up to tyrants, right? The same Sheriff who has active gangs running around in his own department is the guy you're caping for? You can't fire the guy because it's an elected position, but he ran as a liberal but shifted hard right since his election, and I'd guess he's not winning reelection when this comes around (though that hasn't stopped him from retaliating against the people looking to run against him!).

As for Southwest Airlines, you're right, they are standing up to tyrants. Or rather, they told Texas to stuff it and said they were complying with the federal vaccine mandates. The idea that a "sickout" was the reason for delays at Southwest has been denied by both the company and pilot's union, and you'd think that we'd hear if people were quitting Southwest en masse due to the mandate because the people that would quit are the loudest ones.

All of this is coming off the heels of research that shows that people talk a big game about quitting rather than complying with mandates, but few actually do. At some point, we have to stop catering to the loudest voices in the room because all they really want to do is be loud, not be right.

 

[TP2000]

First off, we are talking about the same Sheriff that has his own secret police as being the guy standing up to tyrants, right? The same Sheriff who has active gangs running around in his own department is the guy you're caping for? You can't fire the guy because it's an elected position, but he ran as a liberal but shifted hard right since his election, and I'd guess he's not winning reelection when this comes around (though that hasn't stopped him from retaliating against the people looking to run against him!).

I don't follow LA politics that closely, but it seems that the County Sherriff up there ran as a moderate Democrat and still is a moderate Democrat by historical standards. The issue is that the LA political machine is now made up of not just liberal Democrats, but openly Socialist and Marxist politicians like Ridley-Thomas or Gascon. Karl Marx circa 1850 guys, not Bill Clinton circa 1998 guys.

If a moderate Democrat is compared to an openly Marxist politician, that moderate Democrat will seem "hard right" by comparison. But that doesn't actually make the moderate Democrat "hard right", it just means he's dealing with a Marxist nutjob.

All of this is coming off the heels of research that shows that people talk a big game about quitting rather than complying with mandates, but few actually do.

Was the research from "experts"?

Records were set in August on Americans quitting their jobs. 4.3 Million. September's numbers come out in a few weeks, but it doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Americans quit their jobs at a record pace in August

One reason America’s employers are having trouble filling jobs was starkly illustrated in a report Tuesday: Americans are quitting in droves

abcnews.go.com

As for LA County and their increasingly segregated business community, I do have to wonder how long they keep this up for. There are some demographics in LA County that are only 55% vaccinated, so do those folks drive south to OC or east to Riverside for dinner, entertainment, a trip to the mall, etc.?

 

[TP2000]

(Not to diss your friend, I am sure she's a very, very nice lady, but this is part of larger cultural conversations that need to happen within the community--just look at how much push back Selena got back in the day as a female Tejano singer and now she's considered one of the greats. I hope that makes sense!)

I won't pretend to be an authority on Latino culture, but it does make sense.

I came back to this thread not to discuss the merits of Marxism as above, but I was stirring some pasta sauce and it struck me I had to come back to defend that lady's honor! I've made her sound like a raving lunatic yelling at clouds and mythical college kids who add the letter 'X' to words it doesn't belong to.

She's actually a lovely, thoughtful, and very gracious woman. She's an absolute hoot to sit next to at a dinner party, always with a funny story. She's also the only woman who has endearingly called me the Mexican slang for a gay man (not sure I should type it here), and I just love her for that. We always cause a scene when we are seated next to each other at parties, but she's also very intelligent and charming.

Okay, I defended her honor and filled in a few gaps. Back to the pasta sauce and Marxism!

 

[mickEblu]

I don't follow LA politics that closely, but it seems that the County Sherrif up there ran as a moderate Democrat and still is a moderate Democrat by historical standards. The issue is that the LA political machine is now made up of not just liberal Democrats, but openly Socialist and Marxist politicians like Ridley-Thomas or Gascon. Karl Marx circa 1850 guys, not Bill Clinton circa 1998 guys.

If a moderate Democrat is talking to an openly Marxist politician, that moderate Democrat will seem "hard right". But that doesn't actually make the moderate Democrat "hard right", it just means he's dealing with a Marxist nutjob.



Was the research from "experts"?

Records were set in August on Americans quitting their jobs. 4.3 Million. September's numbers come out in a few weeks, but it doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Americans quit their jobs at a record pace in August

One reason America’s employers are having trouble filling jobs was starkly illustrated in a report Tuesday: Americans are quitting in droves

abcnews.go.com

As for LA County and their increasingly segregated business community, I do have to wonder how long they keep this up for. There are some demographics in LA County that are only 55% vaccinated, so do those folks drive south to OC or east to Riverside for dinner, entertainment, a trip to the mall, etc.?

I don’t see how this mandate is going to be enforced by people at stores, restaurants etc. But if it is, Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley (both Ventura County), Pasadena and Orange County are all a hop, skip and a jump away. I’m sure LA County will love the repercussions on the local economy.

 

[TP2000]

I don’t see how this mandate is going to be enforced by people at stores, restaurants etc. But if it is, Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley (both Ventura County), Pasadena and Orange County are all a hop, skip and a jump away. I’m sure LA County will love the repercussions on the local economy.

This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops!

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?

 

[mickEblu]

This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops!

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit often before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?

Lure is great isn’t it?! As good as Lure is, it’s all downhill after that sourdough bread and butter. My family and I often go to the Westlake Village location which unfortunately is still in LA County. The next city over however, Thousand Oaks, is part of Ventura County. Ventura County is really beautiful and we love Santa Barbara/ Montecito.

I’m not sure what Pasadena’s situation is but I remember during the pandemic they kind of marched to the beat of their own drum a couple times when LA County was imposing different mandates. So yeah, I think they have their own healthy authority.

 

[Dear Prudence]

AN UPDATE: my state record of my vaccinated status has been updated, but I still can't access it. I advise all my fellow Californians to check their online status. Good thing I got my lil card lol lol lol

 

[Dear Prudence]

This shows my southern bias, but I often forget about Ventura County. Oops!

And I even had family up in Santa Barbara County that I would visit before they passed. Although Santa Barbara is really the beginning of Central California. But Ventura County is lovely, and I would often stop at that outlet mall near Camarillo and dinner at Lure seafood restaurant going to/from Santa Barbara.

And what is the situation with Pasadena? Are they opting out of the LA County mandates because they have their own health authority?

Is their health authority like Berkeley 's? (Not being facetious, I am genuinely asking. )

 

[Bullseye1967]

AN UPDATE: my state record of my vaccinated status has been updated, but I still can't access it. I advise all my fellow Californians to check their online status. Good thing I got my lil card lol lol lol

Isn't technology great?

 

[Dear Prudence]

Isn't technology great?

Spectacular. I had to upload the pics of my vaxx card and ID from my phone twice. Finally accepted it. They sent me a text today telling me it was updated. Then tell me I don't exist in the system..commmmmeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I don't eat out at restaurants or go to bars or anything, so I never thought about having to show vaccination proof, but potentially showing it to go to Disneyland? That's a whole different story.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Spectacular. I had to upload the pics of my vaxx card and ID from my phone twice. Finally accepted it. They sent me a text today telling me it was updated. Then tell me I don't exist in the system..commmmmeeee onnnnnnnnnnnnnn

I don't eat out at restaurants or go to bars or anything, so I never thought about having to show vaccination proof, but potentially showing it to go to Disneyland? That's a whole different story.

Luckily DL will take either

 

[TP2000]

Is their health authority like Berkeley 's? (Not being facetious, I am genuinely asking. )

Yes, basically. Pasadena and Long Beach do their own things, with their own city health authorities. Thus, they don't have to go along with whatever LA County's health authority says or recommends.

Long Beach has actually been a success story in getting it's residents, who are often not wealthy white people but rather non-white working class people, vaccinated and tested and cared for. Bravo, Long Beach!

Pasadena is off my radar though, and isn't really a Covid story anyone has been tracking. Likely because it's a highly vaccinated and rather affluent city with no real Covid crisis to speak of.