Proof of Vaccination or Negative COVID Test required for theme parks soon?

[Disstevefan1]

This seems to have slipped under the radar because it focuses mostly on indoor events, bit look closely, it states that outdoor gatherings of 10,000 or more will require proof of vaccination or negative COVID test as of Sept. 20 in California. I think that would also include theme parks, right? I only bring this up so people know to be prepared if that is indeed the case, as I would hate to see people turned away after spending a lot of money because they didn't know.

Also, this is not to be a debate about if this is good or bad, just asking if I am reading this correctly.

California becomes 1st state to require proof of COVID vaccination or negative test for indoor events over 1K people

California will require proof of vaccination or a negative coronavirus test to attend indoor gatherings of 1,000 or more people starting next month, a move the state says is the first of its kind i…

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DLR maybe? WDW a hard NO.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

OC - a hotbed of anti-vax conservatism

Yet OC is more vaxxed than LA county?... What's your statement based on?

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Yet OC is more vaxxed than LA county?... What's your statement based on?

Idk, the death threats and protests? Suppose it is a bit ironic isn't it. "Anti-vax" may be a bit harsh and should have been reworded towards something more along the lines of "anti-science", but let's not pretend the OC was the most accepting of the protections imposed by health leaders.

The larger point, though, being that the culture of OC doesn't exactly align with the idea of showing the CDC card at entry.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Exactly my reaction. What do you MEAN that the OC - a hotbed of anti-vax conservatism - don't ask you for your CDC card?

Right, like… We know this lol.

I don’t know about anti-vax, but it’s the “freedom” rhetoric, subtle and sometimes obvious racism, and occasional Klan activity that makes Orange County an absolute no for me. Give me the derelicts on Skid Row any day.

 

[TP2000]

I do live in Los Angeles and wouldn’t have it any other way. I like the precautions we’re taking here. Masks have actually been quite helpful, personally. Wearing one helps keep my allergies at bay and I haven’t been getting sick as much as I usually did prior to 2020. So what if I want to continue wearing a mask past those year or even for the rest of my life, even if I’m vaccinated?

Well, I fully support an individual to wear whatever they want. If someone never wants to show their face again and never convey human emotion ever again, be my guest. There are some religions that don't allow women to show their face in public, and while I don't understand it and find it a bit insulting to women myself, I support their freedom of religion to live that way.

I just don't want it to be mandated by the government that humans keep their faces covered forever more. I find it especially damaging to a child's development to not be able to see other humans, especially when the risks of Covid to anyone under 18 is infinitessimally low.

But if an individual wants to keep their face masked forever more and never show human emotions again? Okay, go for it.

You telling me that San Diego and Orange County don’t require people to wear masks is like telling me that people in Mexico eat Mexican food. Obviously lol, it’s Orange County and San Diego. I wouldn’t expect it any differently. I don’t live in either for a reason (what would my pretty brown self be doing in ORANGE COUNTY, of all places?) and have no plans on heading out to either for any kind of business. Not only do I not have a reason to, but I don’t want to shop, eat, etc. anywhere where masking isn’t valued.

I guess I just want to know what the exit strategy here is. No one in any leadership position is talking exit strategy. The majority of Americans have moved on, and only in a few little pockets like LA or NYC or the Bay Area are people still fully masked while being fully vaccinated.

It makes no sense scientifically, or culturally. What's the exit strategy here for taking off your mask as a fully vaccinated person and society? No one seems to know, and I find that laughably ridiculous.

As for Orange County demographics for those keeping score at home, as of the 2020 Census...

White = 39.8%
Latino = 34.0%
Asian = 21.7%
Mixed Race = 3.6%
Black = 2.1%
American Indian = 1.0%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/orangecountycalifornia

 

[TP2000]

Idk, the death threats and protests? Suppose it is a bit ironic isn't it. "Anti-vax" may be a bit harsh and should have been reworded towards something more along the lines of "anti-science", but let's not pretend the OC was the most accepting of the protections imposed by health leaders.

If Orange County is so "anti-vax", then why is it notably more vaccinated than neighboring Los Angeles County? Why is Orange County notably more vaccinated than the overall California rate of vaccination?

It sounds like someone in LA who doesn't get out much and doesn't know the simple facts is writing your jokes for you. Like telling a smog joke from the 1970's in the 2020's, it's a bit confusing.

Vaccination Rates as of October 10th, 2021

California Statewide = 59.4% Fully Vaccinated
Los Angeles County = 60.7% Fully Vaccinated
Orange County = 62.3% Fully Vaccinated

The larger point, though, being that the culture of OC doesn't exactly align with the idea of showing the CDC card at entry.

Showing a worthless paper card with no serial number, no bar code or QR code that can be easily printed and forged in under 3 minutes to a 20 year old restaurant hostess as a form of "medical screening" is a laughable concept. And the laughs on that silliness aren't exclusive to Orange County.

I think it's a sign of sanity that Orange County's Board of Supervisors aren't expecting businesses large and small to perform that bit of health theater. Can you imagine Disneyland trying to do that with these types of morning crowds?

Orange County coronavirus tracker: Cases, vaccines, maps and more

Orange County coronavirus tracker: Cases, vaccines, maps and more The coronavirus pandemic continues to take a toll across Orange County. Here is the latest information available from the county an…

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[TP2000]

Exactly my reaction. What do you MEAN that the OC - a hotbed of anti-vax conservatism - don't ask you for your CDC card?

Actually, middle and upper-middle class Whites in Orange County are the most vaccinated demographic here, even ahead of Asians. Up in LA County, Asians are more vaccinated that Whites.

The OC Department of Health is closed today for Columbus Day, so these stats are from last week, but they are still very helpful.

Orange County Vaccination 1+ Doses Rates by Race/Ethnicity - Early October, 2021

Whites = 67.8% Vaccinated (40% of OC Population)
Asians = 66.2% Vaccinated (22% of OC Population
Blacks = 56.3% Vaccinated (2% of OC Population)
Latinos = 41.4% Vaccinated (34% of OC Population)

What's interesting is that Orange County's Black population is slighly more vaccinated than the Black population up in Los Angeles County. I have a hunch why that is (the Black population in OC is primarily middle to upper-middle class and fully integrated into the suburbs, without the historically segregated working class Black neighborhoods of LA), but it's still a statistical fact that can't be overlooked.

And like the myth of naughty White anti-vaxxers running riot through OC, when it's the White folks who are the most highly vaccinated of the races in OC, the Black folks living in OC are more vaccinated than in LA.

Orange County Black Vaccination Rate = 56.3%
LA County Black Vaccination Rate = 54.3%

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LA County COVID-19 Vaccine Dashboard - LA County Department of Public Health

publichealth.lacounty.gov

 

[denyuntilcaught]

If Orange County is so "anti-vax", then why is it notably more vaccinated than neighboring Los Angeles County? Why is Orange County notably more vaccinated than the overall California rate of vaccination?

It sounds like someone in LA who doesn't get out much and doesn't know the simple facts is writing your jokes for you. Like telling a smog joke from the 1970's in the 2020's, it's a bit confusing.

Vaccination Rates as of October 10th, 2021

California Statewide = 59.4% Fully Vaccinated
Los Angeles County = 60.7% Fully Vaccinated
Orange County = 62.3% Fully Vaccinated



Showing a worthless paper card with no serial number, no bar code or QR code that can be easily printed and forged in under 3 minutes to a 20 year old restaurant hostess as a form of "medical screening" is a laughable concept. And the laughs on that silliness aren't exclusive to Orange County.

I didn't know we were considering a 1.6% difference to be "notable." Additionally - as someone who is from and resides in Anaheim Hills, not Los Angeles - calling the OC a place where anti-vax (or, as I noted earlier, science) sentiment takes hold isn't too far of a stretch. I mean, residents were sure making a heck of a lot of noise when they were sending out death threats to health officers and staging protests in Huntington Beach. Let's not pretend that didn't happen.

I mean only less than two months ago...: https://www.latimes.com/california/...i-vaccine-hate-roils-orange-county-government

Also, no one mentioned race. Especially since the concept of race in health care really shouldn't be approached without opening the aperture of conversation around income disparity, access to health care, and past relationships (and disenfranchisement) with the health care system.

Nevertheless, I believe I made a point earlier in the thread delineating the difference between enforcement and coercion. To me, requiring proof of vaccination is more about the latter than the former. These types of "mandates" have shown to increase vaccination rates.

 

[TP2000]

Also, no one mentioned race. Especially since the concept of race in health care really shouldn't be approached without opening the aperture of conversation around income disparity, access to health care, and past relationships (and disenfranchisement) with the health care system.

I mentioned race because every single government Covid dashboard in California puts its race demographics front and center, and makes a point of discussing racial Equity metrics constantly. You can't go to those dashboards for information without wading through the race stats and their "Equity Statements" on their front pages. It's apparently very important to them.

It's also something you brought into this conversation when you said OC was a "hotbed of anti-vax conservatism".

Unless you are now claiming that it's all the working class Latinos in Santa Ana that are tuning in to Fox News each evening?

The reality and the hard data show that the middle and upper-middle class Whites of OC are the highest vaccinated demographic in the county. It's the working class Latinos that are the least vaccinated and most hesitant to get vaccinated in OC.
Orange County Vaccination 1+ Doses Rates by Race/Ethnicity - Early October, 2021

Whites = 67.8% Vaccinated (40% of OC Population)
Asians = 66.2% Vaccinated (22% of OC Population
Blacks = 56.3% Vaccinated (2% of OC Population)
Latinos = 41.4% Vaccinated (34% of OC Population)

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[TP2000]

Yeah, anyway, my vaccination record wasn't online, so I had to manually upload my info. gotta get that cleared so I can go out in the world again.

Why not just take a photo of your CDC card to have on your phone? Surely that would pass muster with the restaurant hostess or the shopclerk selling shoes.

For those not in SoCal, this checking of the little paper card that can be forged in 3 minutes is only an LA County thing. I just ran errands all day in Orange County, and not a single person asked to see my CDC card or asked me to put on a mask. It's just not done here.

I am fully vaccinated, healthy as a horse (an older, slower horse, who has to have some things explained to him), and so I'm not about to engage in virtue signaling health theater to try and impress a restaurant hostess or a Ralph's Fresh Fare checker.

 

[denyuntilcaught]

I mentioned race because every single government Covid dashboard in California puts its race demographics front and center, and makes a point of discussing racial Equity metrics constantly. You can't go to those dashboards for information without wading through the race stats and their "Equity Statements" on their front pages. It's apparently very important to them.

It's also something you brought into this conversation when you said OC was a "hotbed of anti-vax conservatism".

Unless you are now claiming that it's all the working class Latinos in Santa Ana that are tuning in to Fox News each evening?

The reality and the hard data show that the middle and upper-middle class Whites of OC are the highest vaccinated demographic in the county. It's the working class Latinos that are the least vaccinated and most hesitant to get vaccinated in OC.
Orange County Vaccination 1+ Doses Rates by Race/Ethnicity - Early October, 2021

Whites = 67.8% Vaccinated (40% of OC Population)
Asians = 66.2% Vaccinated (22% of OC Population
Blacks = 56.3% Vaccinated (2% of OC Population)
Latinos = 41.4% Vaccinated (34% of OC Population)

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Actually, fun fact: according to Pew, Latinos comprise 37% those who identify as conservatives in California, but that's a whole separate and convoluted conversation.

LA County does do this fabulous thing where they automatically send you a digital vaccination card you can save to your phone's wallet. OC should employ the same system (unless we already do?)

 

[Californian Elitist]

Well, I fully support an individual to wear whatever they want. If someone never wants to show their face again and never convey human emotion ever again, be my guest. There are some religions that don't allow women to show their face in public, and while I don't understand it and find it a bit insulting to women myself, I support their freedom of religion to live that way.

I just don't want it to be mandated by the government that humans keep their faces covered forever more. I find it especially damaging to a child's development to not be able to see other humans, especially when the risks of Covid to anyone under 18 is infinitessimally low.

But if an individual wants to keep their face masked forever more and never show human emotions again? Okay, go for it.



I guess I just want to know what the exit strategy here is. No one in any leadership position is talking exit strategy. The majority of Americans have moved on, and only in a few little pockets like LA or NYC or the Bay Area are people still fully masked while being fully vaccinated.

It makes no sense scientifically, or culturally. What's the exit strategy here for taking off your mask as a fully vaccinated person and society? No one seems to know, and I find that laughably ridiculous.

As for Orange County demographics for those keeping score at home, as of the 2020 Census...

White = 39.8%
Latino = 34.0%
Asian = 21.7%
Mixed Race = 3.6%
Black = 2.1%
American Indian = 1.0%

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/orangecountycalifornia

And we will keep masking up here.Stay in Orange County and you won’t have to worry someone asking you to put on a mask before walking into their business, God forbid.

“Never show human emotions?” TP, here you are, being dramatic… Again. I won’t be helping increase that tiny percentage of black folks in Orange County, but I will be minding my own in Los Angeles with my fellow Angelenos and not be concerned about what folks down in Orange County are doing.

 

[TP2000]

Actually, fun fact: according to Pew, Latinos comprise 37% those who identify as conservatives in California, but that's a whole separate and convoluted conversation.

Well, true. And President Trump greatly increased the number of Latinos who vote for Republicans and/or identify as Republicans. The big question now is, can Republicans hang on to all those new Latino voters in 2022 and beyond without Trump?

Trump’s Latino Support Was More Widespread Than Thought, Report Finds (Published 2021)

While Latinos played a major role in Democratic victories last year, Donald Trump’s outreach to them proved successful in states around the country, not just in certain geographic areas.

www.nytimes.com

Why Democrats Are Losing Texas Latinos

The party assumes people of color will turn the state blue. But most Tejanos consider themselves white. And more are voting Republican.

www.texasmonthly.com

LA County does do this fabulous thing where they automatically send you a digital vaccination card you can save to your phone's wallet. OC should employ the same system (unless we already do?)

What would be the purpose of such a government run system where no such validation is required to access public accomodations???? To employ more county bureaucrats and send more tax dollars to the brothers-in-laws of county commissioners who run those computer systems???

There's no government requirement in OC to show a CDC card to gain access to any public accomodation or business service. And no private business in OC is taking up that task on their own (notice Disneyland doesn't ask for anything except your money at the entry turnstiles).

So what would be the purpose of such a government program? You don't need to waste tax dollars on that, any more than you need to waste tax dollars on a government run system to track the astrological signs of OC citizens before they enter a restaurant or buy a pair of shoes. (You are a Libra, and this is not a good time for you to make decisions regarding money!)

 

[TP2000]

“Never show human emotions?” TP, here you are, being dramatic… Again. I won’t be helping increase that tiny percentage of black folks in Orange County, but I will be minding my own in Los Angeles with my fellow Angelenos and not be concerned about what folks down in Orange County are doing.

Masking over 70% of your face obscures your ability to convey human emotions. I refuse to do that now that I'm vaccinated, with a free booster from CVS last month.

If you want to live your adult life all masked up and obscured from human connection and emotion, be my guest. I don't think anyone here has said otherwise. But what I, and others here, object to is this thought that fully vaccinated people still have to mask up and hide their face in public via government mandate for some non-existent science reason, and for an indertiminate amount of time into the future.

Again, what's the exit strategy? No one will say. Not Sacramento, not DC, not the LA County Board of Supervisors. There's apparently no exit strategy.

Either the vaccines work or they don't. I happen to believe they do work, which is why I no longer wear a mask in public and will protest anyone who tells me I should ignore the science and mask up as a fully vaccinated person.

This is especially damaging and troubling for children, whose brains are still formulating how to read and interpret human emotions conveyed by the human face. You don't need more than a high school diploma to understand that, it's pretty basic humanity.

Covid Face Masks Are Disrupting a Key Tool of Human Communications, New Research Shows

While data is sparse, one new study suggests that children have as much trouble reading facial expressions when people are wearing masks as when they are wearing sunglasses.

www.wsj.com

Frontiers | Masking Emotions: Face Masks Impair How We Read Emotions

To date, COVID-19 has spread across the world, changing our way of life and forcing us to wear face masks. This report demonstrates that face masks influence...

www.frontiersin.org

 

[Dear Prudence]

Actually, fun fact: according to Pew, Latinos comprise 37% those who identify as conservatives in California, but that's a whole separate and convoluted conversation.

LA County does do this fabulous thing where they automatically send you a digital vaccination card you can save to your phone's wallet. OC should employ the same system (unless we already do?)

Latino is just a conglomerate Transforner umbrella term for anybody born or descent of a Latin American country. It's why I don't mess with it. I don't want to be in the same umbrella as any of the anti-Black and anti-Indigenous wastes of space. White Cubans and Argentinians are as Latino as Indigenous Mexicans, Afro Brazilians, and the current president of El Salvador. It's such a lazy and inaccurate way of lumping everyone in. So, while that data may be true, it's...not really that helpful (if that makes sense!)

 

[Californian Elitist]

Masking over 70% of your face obscures your ability to convey human emotions. I refuse to do that now that I'm vaccinated, with a free booster from CVS last month.

If you want to live your adult life all masked up and obscured from human connection and emotion, be my guest. I don't think anyone here has said otherwise. But what I, and others here, object to is this thought that fully vaccinated people still have to mask up and hide their face in public via government mandate for some non-existent science reason, and for an indertiminate amount of time into the future.

Again, what's the exit strategy? No one will say. Not Sacramento, not DC, not the LA County Board of Supervisors. There's apparently no exit strategy.

Either the vaccines work or they don't. I happen to believe they do work, which is why I no longer wear a mask in public and will protest anyone who tells me I should ignore the science and mask up as a fully vaccinated person.

This is especially damaging and troubling for children, whose brains are still formulating how to read and interpret human emotions conveyed by the human face. You don't need more than a high school diploma to understand that, it's pretty basic humanity.

Covid Face Masks Are Disrupting a Key Tool of Human Communications, New Research Shows

While data is sparse, one new study suggests that children have as much trouble reading facial expressions when people are wearing masks as when they are wearing sunglasses.

www.wsj.com

Frontiers | Masking Emotions: Face Masks Impair How We Read Emotions

To date, COVID-19 has spread across the world, changing our way of life and forcing us to wear face masks. This report demonstrates that face masks influence...

www.frontiersin.org

Okay.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Amazon has some pretty awful holiday mask designs. I’m trying to find a Halloween or Fall-themed mask before Halloween in a few weeks and I’m so far not impressed, which I’m genuinely shocked about because Amazon tends to have very nice designs for things.

 

[Nirya]

Idk, the death threats and protests? Suppose it is a bit ironic isn't it. "Anti-vax" may be a bit harsh and should have been reworded towards something more along the lines of "anti-science", but let's not pretend the OC was the most accepting of the protections imposed by health leaders.

The larger point, though, being that the culture of OC doesn't exactly align with the idea of showing the CDC card at entry.

I don't know, what the last few years has shown to me is that this group is just an incredibly loud, and increasingly small, segment of the population. Nothing speaks to this more than the recall, where this group was convinced there was a majority of people willing to remove Newsom from the Governor spot, only to find out that they were hilariously off on that front.

But the OC has been shifting away from that group having power, which I have to assume is why they've been so loud about things.

 

[SevenSevens]

LA County does do this fabulous thing where they automatically send you a digital vaccination card you can save to your phone's wallet. OC should employ the same system (unless we already do?)

Anyone in California can do that. Just go here:

https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

They'll text you a link with a QR code, that can be saved to Google Wallet, as a photo, or a screenshot.

 

[TP2000]

Latino is just a conglomerate Transforner umbrella term for anybody born or descent of a Latin American country. It's why I don't mess with it. I don't want to be in the same umbrella as any of the anti-Black and anti-Indigenous wastes of space. White Cubans and Argentinians are as Latino as Indigenous Mexicans, Afro Brazilians, and the current president of El Salvador. It's such a lazy and inaccurate way of lumping everyone in. So, while that data may be true, it's...not really that helpful (if that makes sense!)

True. But at least it's more accurate and limited in scope than "Asian", which describes about 4.7 Billion people of the 7.6 Billion people on the planet.

Heck, "White" covers everything from Norwegians to Italians to Iranians. But White is only a fraction of the amount as the 4.7 Billion humans classified as "Asian".

That said, we were discussing American Latinos who increasingly voted for Trump in 2020; often in Texas and the Southwest. Those are primarily Chicanos or Latinos of Central American descent.

There's not a lot of Argentinians in El Paso or Albuquerque.