Problem day for MK.

[Crazy Harry]

Now thats a brilliant post, I wish I wrote that.

Hey, wait a second....?



Jimmy Thick-Cultivating minds without judgement.

The words themselves are brilliant. But its like buying a bottle of sun tan lotion for a vacation in a sunny local, then not applying it.

 

[The Hammer]

Care to explain why you must shift the focus of this discussion off the real issue, meaning maintenance problems, and onto the posters themselves? I reiterate my previous question:

Would you stop quoting yourself to point back to something you already said? It's a bit pretentious and moronic. If anyone wanted to reply to what you had to say, they would have done it the first time. If you have nothing new to say, just go away.

Jimmy Thick's posts are as intelligent as all of the hyper critics' combined. They are, for one, far less biased and absurd. If you don't want to be treated like a joke, don't act like over the top caricatures of food critics that are never pleased with anything.

 

[The Hammer]

The words themselves are brilliant. But its like buying a bottle of sun tan lotion for a vacation in a sunny local, then not applying it.

And your avatar of a muppet suits you extremely well.

 

[Crazy Harry]

And your avatar of a muppet suits you extremely well.

And you are smart to stick with vague generalizations because making specific points is not a strong suit of yours.

 

[The Hammer]

I shall ask again:

Translation: "SQUACK! SQUACK! Polly want a cracker! Polly want a cracker!"

Nope, no cracker for you, Mr. Parrot.

 

[wm49rs]

Translation: "SQUACK! SQUACK! Polly want a cracker! Polly want a cracker!"

Nope, no cracker for you, Mr. Parrot.

Are insults all you have? Or do you not plan on sticking around for long?

 

[Crazy Harry]

If you don't want to be treated like a joke, don't act like over the top caricatures of food critics that are never pleased with anything.

Indeed, you are right sir. What he ought to be doing is insult those who think different and not post anything that challenges points made or in any way resembles intelligent or original thought. He also ought to appreciate everything that Disney does with relentless and unquestioned approval and alliegence, just like with you do with corporate America or the US government, completely disregarding known and confirmable facts that could facilitate intelligent debate, and suppressing any thought that deviates from descisions made by the powers that be.

 

[Crazy Harry]

Translation: "SQUACK! SQUACK! Polly want a cracker! Polly want a cracker!"

Nope, no cracker for you, Mr. Parrot.

If you are going to insult someone, at least make it funny :snore:

 

[Donaldfan3000]

Thanks! when i was there in late March POTC Was closed all week. Never got to go on it

 

[Crazy Harry]

Would you stop quoting yourself to point back to something you already said? It's a bit pretentious and moronic.

So, you don't like him repeating himself, eh? You do realize that every post of yours on this thread has been identical in that you do some combination of the following: have claimed unrealistic expectations, complained about complaining, addresses no critical points, and throws insults at others. :hammer: A hammer for "The Hammer"

You must have tiger blood.

EDIT: I see that it is not just this thread, it is every thread.

 

[Skip]

So, you don't like him repeating himself, eh? You do realize that every post of yours on this thread has been identical in that you do some combination of the following: have claimed unrealistic expectations, complained about complaining, addresses no critical points, and throws insults at others. :hammer: A hammer for "The Hammer"

You must have tiger blood.

EDIT: I see that it is not just this thread, it is every thread.

Best part is when he tried to say Jimmy Thick's posts were more intelligent and unbiased than everyone else's posts combined - I lost it at that. While I'll admit Thick has been making some big strides in the Marvel-Universal debate (I'm being completely serious, btw, I'm glad he's understanding what the deal is), to suggest he is remotely unbiased (and bias is fine to an extent if you recognize it) is flat-out goofy.

But yeah, isn't Hammer bullsforthewin? Seems like he came here with a mission.

 

[The Duck]

Are insults all you have? Or do you not plan on sticking around for long?

He's just bored because mommy and daddy locked out all of the sites.

 

[Tom]

Disney attractions are also more complex that most Six Flags attractions. The technical glitches can be show related as well as ride system related.

Having said that, routine maintenance can help improve downtime.

I'm not a Universal expert (my first visit in 20 years was literally this past Sunday), but how often do their attractions go down? How is their maintenance? I made sure to study the park as we walked around, and the general grounds didn't scream "pristine" to me, but none of the rides or attractions went down while we were present.

The reasons these rides break down is because alot of them are 30 years old. Alot of the parts cannot be purchased anymore. They have to actually makes parts to fix the rides. Or completely close it, and rebuild it. These rides take a beating10-15 hours a day now with the extra magic hours. I'm sure maintenance is doing the best they can but clearly the band aid patch work fixing issues is showing it's signs and these rides need completely overhauled. Jungle Cruise is on a list of attractions to be refurb. You have to know that a park this old is going to have issues.:wave:

Excellent point. Given the age of these attractions, it makes sense that they can no longer find parts needed for some repairs. WDW probably purchased a supply of replacement parts for attractions when they were first built but have slowly worked their way through this inventory over the decades and now may be out of many critical parts.

WDW has no excuse to be out of the parts to fix anything on property. Central Shops can literally create, recreate, replicate and reproduce ANYTHING. If there were mission-critical and proprietary parts needed for anything, they should have a mould or casting of it in archive, which they can then use to produce a replacement.

Physically impossible?
I don't see anyone asking for the impossible.

I do see people asking for the best possible.

Rides go down. Of course they do, it's unavoidable.
The issue is with increased downtime related to mechanical and show- related failures that can be directly correlated to a severe reduction in Disney's maintenance force and budget.

As Martin alluded to, TDL is a thirty year old park that looks practically new compared to the MK. Why? Because of their dedication to extremely high maintenance and show standards.

That's all anyone can reasonably ask for at WDW...the same level of care and standards seen in Tokyo.

I like your post, Lee. Why have a standard at one destination, and not another?

WDW set a standard in the early days, and they've let it slide, because they know they can get away with it. Most of their guests walk in and are awestruck because they're used to their local Six Flags, Cedar Point, Kings Island or whatever. WDW makes those parks look like junk, so why spend money to fix things that are less than perfect?

The legend behind the Disney theme parks is that Walt Disney came up with the idea for Disneyland when he took his children to a rather dingy amusement park and thought he could do better. After Disneyland was built, the legend is that Walt expected the park to be immaculate, insisting that every blown light bulb be replaced, every worn surface be repainted, every broken animatronic be repaired immediately. This legend is still being promoted today by corporate Disney. Corporate Disney wants the general public to believe that the Disney theme parks are still being held to the same high standards set by Walt. People who identify problems with the theme parks are simply asking corporate Disney to maintain the standards originally set by Walt and which corporate Disney continues to take advantage of.

If Walt were alive today would he find the current state of the parks acceptable?

I never knew Walt, and have not been given a license to read his mind or speak on behalf of his ghost, but based on everything I've ever read about him, he would be livid at the current state of the parks. Hell, he would make animators re-work entire scenes because he didn't like the way someone arched their eyebrow. He paced while eating a hot dog in DL and determined how often to have trash cans. If he saw paint peeling, concrete busting apart, limbs falling off the tree of life....i PREDICT he'd have a stroke.

Ignorance is bliss.

This is so true. I had been reading this thread as we began our trip this week, so it forced me to be even more aware than ever before....and it almost ruined my trip. I noticed every single minute detail of apathy on the part of maintenance.

And not just in the parks. Last night, the twinkly lights were only lit on one of the Grand Floridian's buildings. Why? Who knows.

My brother and his wife were here this week too, coincidentally. When we had dinner together, he was commenting on the filthy bathrooms, general worn look of things, and breakdowns. He was here once last January with us and was probably in a "re-first time daze" since it had been 6 years since his last visit. For him to notice this stuff, and to comment on it, that means something's wrong.

This week, we encountered at least one "down" attraction per day, per park. Today, SSE was closed for about an hour. Yesterday, Everest was down for about an hour. Pirates had issues for about 20 minutes while we were on it. There were others, but I'd have to look at my notes to dig them all up.

We rode Nemo today, and the angler fish was stationary. And of course, the yeti was a flash of fur as we rode by.

It's a darn shame. Until now, I would have gone to Disney's defense, but after this trip, it's become very obvious to me that they are NOT taking care of the place like they should be. I don't care if they scrape and repaint main street every night like they supposedly used to do.....but I want them to at least make things work, and look presentable.

 

[unkadug]

It seems made up. Mine was sent to my e-mail. They didn't stand there while I scribbled things on a piece of paper.



It's a possibility. Just come here for news, but all I see is : DOOM AND GLOOM, DOOM AND GLOOM, DOOM AND GLOOM!

There are options.

• Change people's minds with facts
• Be more civil with your opinions
• Contribute to a discussion without being argumentative

:shrug:

 

[Captain Chaos]

There are options.

• Change people's minds with facts
• Be more civil with your opinions
• Contribute to a discussion without being argumentative

:shrug:

How about stop coming back after you have been banned??? Hammer is now what, the 10th account Bulls has created???

Seriously, allowing these damn trolls to continue to come back and not ban them the minute they post is the main reason this site has gone downhill lately... Sad really.

 

[Brava Centauri]

Thing about trolls is they want attention and enjoy causing dissension. You're adding fuel to the flames for consistently calling them out.

Just ignore them. Eventually they'll get bored and move on.

 

[pjammer]

I haven't read all the responses but people complain when little ride stuff isn't working (ex. yeti/splash hopping bunny) but they complain when the ride is down also. If maintenance doesn't have sufficient amount of time to fix little things by taking a ride down then bigger things will also make a problem because god forbid they make POTC closed because Jack can't move so they freeze him but the ride won't actually work because pumps or lifts aren't working.

 

[Lee]

I haven't read all the responses but people complain when little ride stuff isn't working (ex. yeti/splash hopping bunny) but they complain when the ride is down also. If maintenance doesn't have sufficient amount of time to fix little things by taking a ride down then bigger things will also make a problem because god forbid they make POTC closed because Jack can't move so they freeze him but the ride won't actually work because pumps or lifts aren't working.

Personally, if any important show items go down, I'd prefer the ride close until its fixed.
Run the show at 100% or don't run it at all.

 

[unkadug]

Personally, if any important show items go down, I'd prefer the ride close until its fixed.
Run the show at 100% or don't run it at all.

I understand your sentiments (and agree), unfortunately most people, even on this forum, feel that everything should be running when they visit.

They want it fixed...just not during their visit

It's quite the Catch 22 for park operations.

 

[Tom]

Personally, if any important show items go down, I'd prefer the ride close until its fixed.
Run the show at 100% or don't run it at all.

I understand your sentiments (and agree), unfortunately most people, even on this forum, feel that everything should be running when they visit.

They want it fixed...just not during their visit

It's quite the Catch 22 for park operations.

This is a very complicated decision to make, indeed.

On one hand I completely agree with Lee. But on the other hand, I know that 99.9% of the guests at WDW on any given day would never know if an attraction wasn't operating at 100% (of course, this depends on the specific issue).

If the angler fish isn't thrashing about on nemo, and just sits there in your face, dimly lit (like it was this week), only we would notice.

If Brer Rabbit isn't hopping or some frogs aren't spitting on Splash, only we would notice.

And the giant elephant in the room....the Yeti. Most of the guests in the park either don't even know about the Yeti, or don't find out until they get to the attraction or see it on Stacy's show in their room. So, then they ride EE and they're trying to see him, only to catch the glimpse of him under strobe light as they pass by. To them, they saw the Yeti. And they'll ride again now that they know where he is and will see him again. And unless they watched all the Travel Channel shows, they don't even know that he's supposed to swing at you as you go by. Ignorance is bliss, as someone wisely put it.

And if WDW had to close a ride every time an AA went 101, it could make for a pretty unenjoyable trip, and a huge line at Guest Relations. BUT, they need to get back to the old ways of having 3rd shift miraculously fix things overnight, so that everything was show ready by the next morning.