Main Street USA
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Be that as it may, if there is a sole owner of the property 365 days a year, I'm guessing they still have a say in what goes on around them just the same.
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Private homes on the way to Walt Disney World
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WDWFigment
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I find the appeals to Walt funny. As if he were infallible or something. I would contend that the Epcot Center that opened was probably better than Walt's vision for it. Just because he had a blue sky idea for how Disney World "would be", doesn't mean that's the best or ultimate vision.
As for this project (which has nothing to do with the economy since there are certainly enough millionaire Disney fans around the world isolated from the United States' economic downturn, so I don't know why it's being discussed--maybe a discussion on the merits of the project would be more apt?), all of the non-Disney projects within the confines of WDW bother me a bit, but as long as I, John Q guest, never see them during my normal visits, I don't care too much. I don't really know where this is proximated compared to other 'stuff', though. Anyone care to illustrate with a map?
As for this project (which has nothing to do with the economy since there are certainly enough millionaire Disney fans around the world isolated from the United States' economic downturn, so I don't know why it's being discussed--maybe a discussion on the merits of the project would be more apt?), all of the non-Disney projects within the confines of WDW bother me a bit, but as long as I, John Q guest, never see them during my normal visits, I don't care too much. I don't really know where this is proximated compared to other 'stuff', though. Anyone care to illustrate with a map?
MIDisneyFamily
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The plan is to de-annex that portion of the property from the Reedy Creek Devolopement District, which would keep them out of the participation an what happens with that devolopment disctrict. That is what happened to the areas of Celebration that were originally in the devolopment district.
mousermerf
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You have to drive past Fort Wilderness to get to the location. It's isolated and generally abandoned. They opened a little restuarant at the golf course to be able to offer food to the golfers (since there's nothing else really around there) and it's become known as a hidden-retreat to WDW fans who know it exists.
If you keep following the road eventually you'll pop out near Saratoga Springs and the Port Orleans resorts. Like the name suggest, it's in the northeast part of the resort - very much on the fringe.
If you keep following the road eventually you'll pop out near Saratoga Springs and the Port Orleans resorts. Like the name suggest, it's in the northeast part of the resort - very much on the fringe.
MIDisneyFamily
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I was only quoting Walt, to show that if he had lived a decade or so longer, Epcot, and the area near it may have been more devoloped, and for some on here to hold the view that the original intent of Walt was to keep the property uncluttered and undevoloped just is not the way he had planned things. Dont get me wrong, I think that if he had seeen his vision through, WDW would be half as appealing as it is in it's current form.
The property in Question is that located East and North of the Fort Wilderness Campground. Just outside the property, along the non-Disney side of the border creek, theres already a few housing devolopments that have sprung up on the outdated Google Earth view anyway.
WhatJaneSays
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... well ... I know what I'm going to do when I win the Florida Lotto! I can see it now, my little palace with a big wrap around porch and a nice office overlooking my bit of the World.
(O.K. I'm depressed now.)
(O.K. I'm depressed now.)
DonaldDoleWhip
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I only have one thing to say about this: I want one of those homes!
palmage
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Unplugged
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Do they know about the housing/mortgage crisis? The record numbers of foreclosures across the country? They cannot sell the houses that already exist, why would they build more?
Wealthy foreign buyers? Are there that many people wanting to buy vacation homes?
Typically when your dealing with homes of the size and cost they are planning, there is no crisis. Most people with the wealth required to build these homes have investments across the board, lots of cash on hand, and would not be dealing with mortgage issues. One of he other big points made was that a lot of foreign investors would be building homes there. As our dollar erodes against foreign markets, the implication is that the foreigners can get more dollars for less of theres, thus it's cheaper for them to build such "vacation" homes in our country.
Now my opinion on this (we all get at least one...right?):
I do not condone this effort at all. In fact, I feel this is a bad thing for the concept of WDW in that we're losing more build-able ground within the WDW resort area. If it was a Disney resort, that's continuous revenue over the years. In this case, it's just lopping of and selling more land they don't have to manage. I personally don't care for the long term implications of selling off (and de-annexing) land that could hold additional Disney quality entertainment facilities. I've played golf there and it was beautiful. This is a sad sell-out for quick bucks.
I think this also validates the rumored DNK (Nightly Kingdom) as it would be a high cost ticket, with the aforementioned being the perfect guests. Seems Disney is really shooting for more upscale crowds now. Funny, as I thought only Las Vegas and Sea World cared about the "Whales". :lookaroun
Kingdom WDW
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I believe the name of this new development is "New Horizons" and was mentioned in then the RCID land use document.
I do not think there is an advantage to this private homes idea, except for the fact more people with $ will spend that $ at WDW. Otherwise, it is a waste of land. Isn't the US in the housing crisis anyway?
Abandoned constructions+Walt Disney World= Less desireable= Less local tourism
I do not think there is an advantage to this private homes idea, except for the fact more people with $ will spend that $ at WDW. Otherwise, it is a waste of land. Isn't the US in the housing crisis anyway?
Abandoned constructions+Walt Disney World= Less desireable= Less local tourism
This is NOT a "build-able" area that's gonna be missed. Look at a map. It's going into a corner of the old golf course, which butts up to apartments and other outside housing developments along C.R. 535. In fact, there are several adjacent housing developments along 535 that are actually CLOSER to the Magic Kingdom and other WDW facilities--they just don't have roads leading IN to WDW property.
The chunk of property we're talking about is a tiny armpit of WDW that most didn't even know existed. Like someone said, if these message boards had been around at the time of Celebration's development---where Disney lopped off a HUGE chunk of Walt's original land purchase--- fans would have gone nuts!
[/QUOTE] Seems Disney is really shooting for more upscale crowds now. Funny, as I thought only Las Vegas and Sea World cared about the "Whales". :lookaroun[/QUOTE]
Is this a bad thing? Why on earth would Disney build the budget-minded All-Star Resorts but completely ignore visitors on the other end of the economic spectrum? Why should Disney discriminate against the extremely wealthy?
Also, this "housing development" is not going to be like a big gated community stuck along World Drive. It's going to be tucked inside the gates of the Four Seasons hotel. Imagine if you could purchase one of the Fort Wilderness cabins. Same thing, only more elaborate. Passersby on WDW roads won't even know its there (and I'm sure the multi-millionaire buyers will want it that way!)
MIDisneyFamily
Member
Ill ask agan, Does anyone know then, if this article is just talking about the Four Season's devolpment that was announced last march? just a resort with time share units, and multi-family units, and vacation homes?
PhotoDave219
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I'd buy one.
SGT623
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I currently live right next to this property (up against the golf course...and listening to Wishes as I type this) and I can tell all of you non-millionaire Disney fanatics, you can live even closer than this new proposed spot to the MK at a fraction of the price if you wanted to. Many homes are in ridiculously prim locations bordering backstage that are for sale right now. Come on down!
ryguy
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Since this community is gated most of us will never see it, so I don't see it as a big deal. As far as the economic conditions, these homes won't be built for several years so hears hoping the economy will turn back around. Also if I buy a home for over a million dollars I don't think I would rent it out. I also wouldn't wan't a bunch of renters right next to me either. I would be surprised if Disney allows renting of these homes. Truthfully if I lived that close to the fireworks everynight it would get old real quick. Lastly I think to plan a community that relys heavily on foreign investment is only good for the builder. This crap happend to celebration and has ruined the community. Who wants to live by a bunch of abandoned homes. Celebration's school has to bus kids in because they don't have enough kids living in the community. Granted I know this isn't celebration but you know what I am getting at. Basically lets call it what it is: a quick way to make a buck and get some land off the tax rolls. Thankfully it won't affect the average guest experience.
Main Street USA
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Not only that, this is still in the rumor phase at best. An article in the Sentinel certainly doesn't mean it's happening.
CaptainJackNO
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I just do not get this. I do not want to see someone's permanent living situation when I am on vacation. This will, in my humble opinion, damage the magic, at least for me. I know i cannot speak for him, but i believe that Walt would not like this. The magic of disney is all about escaping reality. If this takes place, they are gonna take reality and put it in the middle of the magic.
I have to say, there are too many pinhead business and finance guys runing this part of the company. Why on earth would they take valuable land that can become some attraction area of some sort and allow people to live there.
I hate the idea. If i could afford one of these places, I would hate the idea. Goodness, This is absolutely absurd. I just hate this idea.
As if Disney was not making enough money.
Just one more example of how pinheads business guys can scrap the entire vision Walt had for WDW. Horrible idea.
I have to say, there are too many pinhead business and finance guys runing this part of the company. Why on earth would they take valuable land that can become some attraction area of some sort and allow people to live there.
I hate the idea. If i could afford one of these places, I would hate the idea. Goodness, This is absolutely absurd. I just hate this idea.
As if Disney was not making enough money.
Just one more example of how pinheads business guys can scrap the entire vision Walt had for WDW. Horrible idea.