I agree that ultimately skipping lines at a theme park is not something that would be required by the ADA.
Then we are talking about personal choice. Everyone has the same choice, wait to ride, or not.
Exactly. Some people who may be older and unable to tolerate heat or long lines choose to buy LLs instead of skipping rides. It’s good that the choice is available.
We should just agree to disagree…. If they can’t tolerate heat that’s a disability issue.
You would have to extend the definition of disability far past what is stated in the ADA. Regardless of your personal opinion, that is extremely unlikely to happen.
Healthy and able bodied people can and do wait in long lines every single day. It’s quite easy.
So you think people are either healthy or disabled? There is so much in between those two.
Huh? It’s a tough stance to say there are people who are disabled and people who are not disabled?
That’s not what I said. But since I’ll be long gone before Disney or any other major theme park reverts to all standby, it’s senseless to go on.
Businesses can ask for reasonable proof that the disability exists before providing accommodation. And in the case of a theme park, "accommodation" doesn't need to be skipping to the front of the line with no wait. Disney went decades without requiring documentation (for those without obviously visible disabilities) and what it got in return was a massive amount of non-disabled people who abused the system. That's on them. It didn't have to be that way; they chose to let it be that way.
What section of the ADA or the DOJ regulations implementing it mentions “reasonable proof?”
Where I'm from (not the US), everybody knows that a trip to WDW involves lots of walking and waiting in line. I've taken an 8 year old, and my 80 year old dad (both able bodied, though), they were warned about this, before me booking those trips. Obviously, their ages were taken into consideration while navigating the parks.
Absolutely. Someone who is 80 and not in the best shape may be able but unwilling to wait in line because it’s difficult for that person. They can choose to stand in line or pay to use the LLs. I wouldn’t want to take away that choice. (I preferred when the choice was free.)Where I'm from (not the US), everybody knows that a trip to WDW involves lots of walking and waiting in line. I've taken an 8 year old, and my 80 year old dad (both able bodied, though), they were warned about this, before me booking those trips. Obviously, their ages were taken into consideration while navigating the parks.
Perhaps the disagreement lies in the difference between "not being able to wait in line" and "being unwilling to wait in line"?
Title III, Sections 36.105(a)(2), 36.105(d)(2)(ii) and 36.311(c)
36.311(c) allows a business to ensure that a person using a power-driven mobility device is capable of doing so. Even then, in lieu of proof, the person may offer a verbal representation not contradicted by observable fact. The business is not allowed to inquire into the nature or extent of the disability that requires use of the mobility device.
Nail, head, etc. If you can afford to splurge out every now and then on something to plus your experience, that's fine, but what you're actually doing is paying to devalue someone else's experience.
Same experience when all were treated equally the lines were long but they moved constantly and guess what my boys never complained or caused a scene while waiting in line. I'm not bragging but my boys were well behaved and knew I would not put up with misbehaving. I've said this before when people were not buried in their cell phones people in line talked to each other --met many interesting people. The bean counters saw a way to make more money thus payed skip the line IMO sucks
It uses the term "credible assurances" instead of the term "reasonable proof." Do you want to explain to everyone the legal distinction?
For our family , members in their 80s in beautiful mild weather DL yes in the summer. For sticky hot and humid WDW at the same time , no.
First, it only applies to power driven mobility devices. Different parts of the regulations apply to different accommodations.
