Jrb1979
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That's fair. IMO pricing people out isn't the way to lower attendance. The proper way to do it is to keep adding capacity year in year out. There is no reason why each park shouldn't have 30-40 attractions.
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Prices up…profits down…
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TrainsOfDisney
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What annoys me the most about line skip is the fact that it makes standby unpredictable- if the line skip gets backed up they will prioritize that over standby instead of keeping the standby line as advertised.
I find it odd that those of us who prefer all standby are just “wrong” - um, no, it has its advantages for all guests. We aren’t wrong haha. It’s certainly the most fair for all guests.
I find it odd that those of us who prefer all standby are just “wrong” - um, no, it has its advantages for all guests. We aren’t wrong haha. It’s certainly the most fair for all guests.
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JoeCamel
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Got the answer on prices today from the CFO
"Where we're delivering more value, we feel comfortable taking more price," the executive said. - Hugh Johnston
As he was describing how they offer the high end LL, park hopping and surge pricing....
"Where we're delivering more value, we feel comfortable taking more price," the executive said. - Hugh Johnston
As he was describing how they offer the high end LL, park hopping and surge pricing....
I’m sure that was the goal…to replace them with whales
But what the praetorians thought was Bob Iger and his hatchet goons wanted less people so THEY…the chosen…could get more rides on mine train and have more dining slots for free dining…
It was intellectually without value…
Any public company can NEVER reject paying customers that make even $0.01 of profit. It’s called fiduciary responsibility. They can NOT turn away money that trickles up to investors
Who believed that Napoleon yutz?
Chi84
Premium Member
You’re not wrong for you, but it’s not most fair for all guests. Not everyone is equally equipped to stand in the Florida heat for an hour or two. The ones who couldn’t manage ended up just skipping attractions with long lines.
Fastpass when it was free was a great way to let everyone have at least a chance at those attractions.
Chi84
Premium Member
Did you read the article? He was talking about increasing the price on premium end offerings while leaving the prices on regular offerings untouched.
The premium offerings he was talking about included lightning lanes and visiting at peak times. Some people value skipping lines; others don’t. Oftentimes it depends on their particular circumstances.
Goofyernmost
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I'm not sure how you could have been in WDW when there was no FP and be "miserable" unless you just didn't want to be there at all. It worked for thousands of people. Those are the one's like myself that returned year after year after year all based on my first visit and the fun we had just in the switchback lines. We might have sometimes gotten frustrated but that was just when people cut in those lines and Disney did nothing to stop it. Other than that no one was stuck in that line any longer than anyone else unless there was a breakdown.
Now it is a legal line cutting experience and there is not a damn thing that people in the standby lines can do about it. Even now they have to limit the LL lines because if everyone were able to get a pay to cut the line pass then that line would become the standby line and nothing would have been accomplished except that Disney would need another truck to take the extra money to the bank.
Chi84
Premium Member
My mom had to skip a lot of the attractions with longer lines and my kids were very young at the time, which made standing in long lines miserable for us. Not you, and not everyone. Just us.
We loved the free fastpass system.
But no one is seriously talking about Disney going back in time to that particular system so it’s probably not worth talking about.
Goofyernmost
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Your right, it will not be likely to go back to better times. Your misery was because of your circumstances and not that of any FP policy not existing. My children were young as well, but we never had a problem with them in any line. The only reason I speak about it at all, a person that has vowed to never go back again, is because most people today have been brainwashed into thinking that the original system was somehow terrible, which it wasn't and the the lines were an incredibly long wait... they were not. I don't remember anything over 50 minutes and that was only for new attractions or a breakdown. The old attractions also were longer and took in more people per hour than the current new ones. That doesn't help either.
Chi84
Premium Member
The old system was better for you, but the new one - even with the cost - is better for us. We just returned from a trip with 10 people ranging in age from 1 to 70 and would have gotten very little done waiting in lines everywhere.
People aren’t brainwashed; that’s a bit condescending. Standing in long lines was so unpopular that Disney ran a free fastpass system for over 20 years.
Goofyernmost
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Once you start something, good or bad, your stuck with it. I knew all the in's and out's of the Fastpass system and because of that I knew I had to use it in order to see everything like I once did before FP.
I'm happy it works for you and that you have enough money to spend on something that was once part of your admission price. It appears to me at this point that that huge daily price only allows you to walk around the outside of attractions and/or stand in lines for a long, long time. Such a deal. Before FP was instituted every line was a fast pass line and you could do like we did. We would go up to the castle and go to the left or to the right and see each attraction as we got to it until we made the complete circle. We didn't do it in one day, of course, but it could be done in two and one never had to skip anything.
AdventureHasAName
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... and they require "reasonable" accomodations for those demonstrating a disability. They do not require "everyone can by-pass any and all rules you may have in place for your theme park solely by saying 'I need to.'" For way, way, way too many years, Disney just had an anything-goes approach to the ADA because it was overly concerned with bad press ... and it snowballed so badly that they eventually had to enforce some rules.
AdventureHasAName
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The obvious thing he doesn't mention is that every time he "delivers more value" to one customer, he's devaluing the experience of the customers who didn't pay more. Sold a Lighting Lane to someone? Everyone else just waited a little longer in line. Separate-ticketed nighttime event? Everyone with a regular ticket just lost hours on their time they paid to stay in the park.
Yet, he doesn't say, "Where we're removing value from a customer's ticket, we feel comfortable lowering ticket costs."
AdventureHasAName
Well-Known Member
Disney ran a free fastpass system for 20 years because someone with an accounting degree suggested that every minute a guest spent in line was a minute that guest wasn't in a gift shop or restaurant spending additional money. And that is the only reason Disney implemented a fastpass system.
Chi84
Premium Member
Regardless of motivation, the guest got to spend time eating, shopping or doing something other than standing in line.
Chi84
Premium Member
It’s a bit more complicated than that, especially your claim about a person needing to “demonstrate” a disability.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
That gets into disability which is another topic. It’s the most fair to let all guests have the same access to me. (By all I’m not suggesting there shouldn’t be accommodations for those with disabilities).
I didn’t have a problem with legacy Fastpass when it was free and available equally to all guests.
AdventureHasAName
Well-Known Member
No, it isn't. I'm an attorney and I've counseled corporations on ADA compliance.
Chi84
Premium Member
I’m not talking about disabilities.