Price hike coming 10/9

[the_rich]

“Demand” - giggle.

I know Florida isn't New York as far as union strength.

 

[Tha Realest]

I do have a question apart from the legalities. On a practical level, what would the union demand when speaking for the employees taking these strike-like actions?

Is the Disney Aspire program a part of the collective bargaining agreement?

Unions generally negotiate wages, hours, job protections, working conditions, health benefits, etc. These are the usual matters involved in the employment relationship.

If the union negotiates for college tuition for CMs would that mean it has to be included in the bargaining agreement? What would the CMs be demanding?

There’s a statement by Jeff Vahle in this article when the collective bargaining agreement was approved which suggests it was part of that agreement?

Agreement between unions, Disney World was formally approved

97% of union members voted to approve the contract

mynews13.com

 

[Epcot81Fan]

I know Florida isn't New York as far as union strength.

Hence why companies and people are leaving New York and moving to Florida.

As the old saying goes, “the real minimum wage is zero”.

Just ask the former auto workers in Detroit about all of their incredible “union victories”.

 

[Chi84]

There’s a statement by Jeff Vahle in this article when the collective bargaining agreement was approved which suggests it was part of that agreement?

Agreement between unions, Disney World was formally approved

97% of union members voted to approve the contract

mynews13.com

It’s incredibly vague at best. He’s clearly touting the program as industry leading but never explicitly says it was part of the bargaining agreement. He mentions it as a reason why Disney employees have a good deal and agreed to the contract.

It’s either in there or not and I don’t know the answer. My guess is it’s not or Disney would be in breach of contract for drastically altering it.

If it’s a completely voluntary program, it seems the best current employees could hope for is a continuation for some time. I don’t see paying an employee’s college tuition as part of any future bargaining process.

 

[Lilofan]

I know Florida isn't New York as far as union strength.

The South ( only approx 5% of staff in the South are unionized ), has always been anti union since being unionized with have the companies obligated to follow contract with staff feeling if that's not happening going to complain to their union rep.

 

[Chi84]

Hence why companies and people are leaving New York and moving to Florida.

As the old saying goes, “the real minimum wage is zero”.

Just ask the former auto workers in Detroit about all of their incredible “union victories”.

As a practical matter, a non-union backed work action is most likely a good opportunity for Disney to weed out poor performers.

 

[Lilofan]

As a practical matter, a non-union backed work action is most likely a good opportunity for Disney to weed out poor performers.

Much easier to fire with no union. Fire a union worker get ready to go through the grievance process.

 

[the_rich]

Hence why companies and people are leaving New York and moving to Florida.

As the old saying goes, “the real minimum wage is zero”.

Just ask the former auto workers in Detroit about all of their incredible “union victories”.

My contract is fantastic thanks to my union.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

So Disney would have no legal remedies against the union, no remedies against the striking workers other than firing them? That’s interesting. I wonder why they use those clauses at all.

Because it lets them fire a worker for cause who otherwise would have union-negotiated job protections.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I’d be wary of those claiming no-strike provisions don’t mean anything.

It doesn’t mean nothing. It means workers can be fired for cause who do it. That’s a real tangible benefit to any company who negotiates it. In most union contracts union members aren’t generally going to be at-will employeees that can be fired for any or no reason. The company needs a valid reason to fire them. The contract allows this to be one of those reasons. That’s the purpose for a company negotiating a no-strike provision.

 

[Tha Realest]

What percentage of CMs utilize this benefit?

What percentage of those would willingly participate in a collective action (strike) to protest this decision?

How many of those two groups could afford the consequences of an immediate termination?

 

[Chi84]

It doesn’t mean nothing. It means workers can be fired for cause who do it. That’s a real tangible benefit to any company who negotiates it. In most union contracts union members aren’t generally going to be at-will employeees that can be fired for any or no reason. The company needs a valid reason to fire them. The contract allows this to be one of those reasons. That’s the purpose for a company negotiating a no-strike provision.

Yes. I thought we were discussing the theoretical 10,000 striking CMs who couldn't all be fired at the same time. It's a silly discussion anyway since one person's theoretical is another's fantastical.

 

[larryz]

If I remember right the all stars was going to be ~$100 cheaper after you factor in resort fees, parking, ect.

Overall we went with the Hilton for a few reasons:

• We already decided on a rental car regardless so that price wasn't a factor. However, a Disney bus with a stroller/toddler can be quite tough so we would drive anyway. Thus, Disney transportation didn't matter to us.
• We really like Disney springs and will probably go there at least twice during our trip, the ability to walk there is a huge perk to us
• No way to guarantee a king room at the all-stars. Not a deal breaker, but still a plus for the Hilton when a second bed isn't needed (he still sleeps in a portable crib)
• Nicer/bigger looking hotel rooms (380 sqft vs 260sqft)
• Nicer looking lobby/grab and go food options. Not just 1 big cafeteria
• No "hike" to the food options, like you might at the value resorts. Hotel is more compact
• Kiddy pool actually looks better at Hilton (big pool doesn't matter for us)
• My son is young enough (he'll be about 21 months) that the big props of the all stars/ whimsy of the resort/room don't really matter.

Maybe I'm wrong and I will end up hating it and never staying there again!

In the past, I've stayed at the Beach Club, Boardwalk, Swan, Dolphin, All stars, Pop Centry, Universal's Royal Pacific, and the Fairfield Lake Buena Vista. So, the Hilton will be something new to try!

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We've done stays at the Hilton; it was good for all the reasons you mentioned. Plus, at the time, I was a Diamond hhonors member, so the stays were free/steeply discounted.

 

[larryz]

What if one does not like the music? What's the recourse in that situation?

 

[larryz]

The union agreed to a no-strike clause. I’m not too familiar with labor law but if the union acknowledged a work action of the type you’re describing, it seems they could be sued by Disney for breach of the bargaining agreement.

I’d be wary of those claiming no-strike provisions don’t mean anything.

All the union has to do is to declare the strike unauthorized, and that triggers wildcat provisions in the NLRA... Disney would get to fire the striking workers without union repercussions.

 

[larryz]

There’s a statement by Jeff Vahle in this article when the collective bargaining agreement was approved which suggests it was part of that agreement?

Agreement between unions, Disney World was formally approved

97% of union members voted to approve the contract

mynews13.com

You can bet the Disney lawyers weasel-worded any reference to Aspire in the contract to make sure they could amend the program without triggering a contract dispute.

 

[Chi84]

You can bet the Disney lawyers weasel-worded any reference to Aspire in the contract to make sure they could amend the program without triggering a contract dispute.

I doubt Aspire is part of the contract but don’t know for sure.

 

[jpeden]

Compared to Cal-Berkley, UNC Chapel Hill , UVA, UT Austin, etc not even close.

UF is considered a peer to UNC, UVA, Cal-Berkeley, and UT Austin (https://ir.aa.ufl.edu/topics/peer-institutions/).

I’m not trying to be rude but you clearly do not understand the higher education space or the level of respect that UF carries in the higher education sector. It’s consistently ranked as one of the best public universities in the nation

I know this first hand as I used to work at a major SEC R1 university considered a peer/aspirant to UF.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Yes. I thought we were discussing the theoretical 10,000 striking CMs who couldn't all be fired at the same time. It's a silly discussion anyway since one person's theoretical is another's fantastical.

It’s an interesting thought experiment that I agree won’t happen. But the “no-strike” provision means that WDW could fire the 10,000 workers, but doesn’t mean that they would, because there’s no way they could replace those 10k workers in any reasonable amount of time.

 

[the_rich]

It’s an interesting thought experiment that I agree won’t happen. But the “no-strike” provision means that WDW could fire the 10,000 workers, but doesn’t mean that they would, because there’s no way they could replace those 10k workers in any reasonable amount of time.

The only thing that is somewhat similar is what happened with the MTA in NYC in 2005. As a public union they are not allowed to strike under the Taylor law. Well, they did anyway. About 40,000 workers didn't show up for 2 days. In the end the union got the contract they wanted because the city was effectively shut down. The union President also went to jail for 10 days and the union was fined $2.5 million.