Press event Tuesday, Jan. 18th.

dweezil78

dweezil78

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pax_65 said:
I do disagree with you regarding SWSA, though. Although I think the story of Snow White is great, I don't think the attraction does that great of a job telling it. (You'd be lost if you didn't already know the story - as I found out from my kids who hadn't seen the movie when they first rode it.) The scenes and sets in the attraction are ok but nothing special - not technologically advanced, and not particularly beautiful or engaging artistically either. Disney can do better, and hopefully they are in the process of doing that.
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100% agree. Our version out here at DL is even worse. There's barely even a conclusion to the story! It's bizarre. Queen attacks, and bam, you're outside of the show building and they all live happily ever after. WDW's version at least has some semblance of closure, but still, it could be a lot better. IMO, Peter Pan and Mr. Toad is/were the essential Fantasyland dark rides. Sad to know they sacrificed Toad for Pooh when ultimately the inferior Snow White is to be closed for a more thrilling(?) version in the expansion.
 
misterID

misterID

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I think Meg Croften did a pretty good job, considering she was dragged to the podium kicking and screaming with a death grip on TDO's checkbook. :p
 
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COProgressFan

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dweezil78 said:
This is one of Disney's biggest problems these days. They will not do anything without a focus group. Steve Jobs has one of my favorite quotes when it comes to this -- "It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them."

Focus groups to not produce greatness. They produce safeness.
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Perfectly stated. Focus groups have their role, but too often companies like Disney rely on them. Depending on the leader of the group and the individual participants, you can come up with completely different results from the same demographic.

And Disney, of course, is supposed to be a creative company. Creativity involves taking risks, not playing it safe all the time. This is major issue that the entire Disney company faces.

If Walt Disney had focus groups before he opened Disneyland, do you think they would even know what they would want in a theme park?

Disney should try its hardest, do its best work, and try to outshine itself and do more than guests could ever have dreamed of -- if they do that, the guests will be there, don't worry.
 
MiklCraw4d

MiklCraw4d

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TalkingHead said:
I wouldn't trust Disney's "research" to tell me if the sky is blue.

If you actually think they respond to the research and don't create the research to justify their decisions, you're crazy.
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This.

Disney research is always skewed. What really bothers me about it, though, is how much they obsess about it, as can be seen in their presentation. There's nothing wrong with market research - Walt did it too - but when you're obsessing over it to this degree it's ridiculous. If Walt had only gone around asking people what they wanted to see, we never would have wound up with Disneyland. We'd be watching "Snow White VIII: The Further Adventures of Dopey." I don't want the company's decisions determined by the whims of pre-teen children.

(That being said, I like these plans. Not big on the circus part, but the rest is class.)
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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MiklCraw4d said:
Disney research is always skewed. What really bothers me about it, though, is how much they obsess about it, as can be seen in their presentation. There's nothing wrong with market research - Walt did it too - but when you're obsessing over it to this degree it's ridiculous. If Walt had only gone around asking people what they wanted to see, we never would have wound up with Disneyland. We'd be watching "Snow White VIII: The Further Adventures of Dopey." I don't want the company's decisions determined by the whims of pre-teen children.
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You have to wonder if they just do not realize how well known it is outside the company that the internal research is largely self justifying?
 
wvdisneyfamily

wvdisneyfamily

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This is just a thought but has anyone else questioned why Ariel and Belle got the new spots in the FLE? My theory is the girls that grew up with those two princesses are now moms with kids. I know I'm super excited to see Beast Castle, especially since I can share it with my child. Again, just a thought.
 
David S.

David S.

Member
dweezil78 said:
100% agree. Our version out here at DL is even worse. There's barely even a conclusion to the story! It's bizarre. Queen attacks, and bam, you're outside of the show building and they all live happily ever after. WDW's version at least has some semblance of closure, but still, it could be a lot better. IMO, Peter Pan and Mr. Toad is/were the essential Fantasyland dark rides. Sad to know they sacrificed Toad for Pooh when ultimately the inferior Snow White is to be closed for a more thrilling(?) version in the expansion.
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Thank you for pointing that out! That's what I've been trying to express when stating my preference for the MK Snow White dark ride over all the other Snow White darkrides worldwide.

The DL one does deserve credit for having more advanced technological effects than MK's - I know that's important to a lot of fans.

But as far as the storytelling goes - especially with regards to having a more developed, satisfying, and touching Happily Ever After scene - IMO the MK version is tops!
 
joannecasey

joannecasey

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Hi there,

Does anyone know how the projections will look when the Castle Dream Lights are up for Christmas? I will be there this Oct/Nov and can't wait to see the new show !!

Thanks :)
 

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