What the heck are you even talking about? I stated no such "justification". And YOU don't have to pay for it either - so why is it a BIGGIE to you?
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Preferred parking comes to Disney Springs from June 1
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pax_65
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Exactly! If Disney adds an experience to the parks and puts an up-charge on it, people will say, "You're still getting the same park you used to have, if you don't want the up-charge experience you don't have to pay for it. So what is it to you?" But Disney used to add these experiences and make them available to all, to give you more value for the park pass you've already purchased. By accepting the up-charge, we're all losing a piece of the way it used to be - and we're all losing a little bit of value. We don't pay for DS but still, the experience is changing (well, it's already changed in many, many ways I guess, but this is just the latest).
But I agree, if people are willing to pay it I don't blame Disney too much. If these lots are packed with cash-paying cars, I'm sure Disney will look to expand it everywhere they can. But don't worry, I'm sure there will still be free parking available... a few miles away. But that's ok... a shuttle will be available for a nominal fee...
So please enumerate the experiences that Disney added for free that were similar to a Dessert Party, or any other "upcharge" event. Honest question, as I cannot find a single one.
Nickels5
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Well that's cause you don't stay on property or visit at all for that matter. Resort guests should not have to pay to park at their hotel, if someone is traveling to a reservation or to use a different pool that's a different story. But you shouldn't be charged to park where you are staying.
And one hopes that Disney is smart enough to realize that they shouldn't charge for a person staying at that resort.
breesus
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I can definitely see everyone's frustration with the additional charges Disney seems to be introducing every week. I see certain fees as being ok and others not so much. Not because I have an issue with the fees themselves, but how they are introduced. For example, resort fees are in my opinion a bait and switch. It's just a way to keep published rates lower to the eye then they put resort fees and hotel motel tax not included in the fine print. If my room is $300 and resort fee is $25 then publish the rate as $325! The taxes on both are the same so there is no benefit to anyone but the resort in separating. I think this falls in the same category as cable companies. I buy tv and internet service from them, which they advertise at this phenomenal rate, only to find out it will cost an additional $50 a month for the boxes to actually use it! So can I still watch TV if I decline the box? Can I still access the internet without renting the modem? No I cannot. Just put it all in the price. Stop with the tricks! But they do it everyday to millions of people. I am not so upset about parking fees being separate at a resort, because a large portion of the visitors do not have a car there, so no reason for them to pay for something they will not use. Back to the preferred parking subject, as a retailer, if my landlord was to start charging to park to all who entered the parking lot, there would have to be a validation process. No if, ands, or buts about it. Tenants at Disney Springs will never be able to pay the outrageous rents they pay with just Disney resort guests who take a boat or bus there. In all honesty, they should have just made this a valet system. No one would be complaining.
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Flynnwriter
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DIsney is out of control with their upcharges and Universal inspired upcharging.
matt9112
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Give an inch take a mile Maybe?
matt9112
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Universal inspired? At least there uncharges hold value.
So complain when they take a mile. I'll be right there with you. But, they haven't yet. And all we hear is - well, they COULD take a mile. Silly argument that my teenage kids always did - what if - what if - what if - ad nauseum. Just like people here do.
Except it hasn't gone poof. Upcharge for parking closer exists at all parks and now at DS. That didn't change the pricing of the parking whether the fee at the parks or with Disney Springs still being free.
So exactly which Universal upcharges hold value to you?
disneygeek90
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I guess one could enjoy that benefit for the next 6 months or so until the show is retired.
Jon81uk
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Yes but it's pretty certain the show is being replaced so shouldn't be dark for too long.
pax_65
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I'm not going to attempt a comprehensive list. My biggest issue was with Disney After Hours, since it was essentially Extra Magic Hours for a fee (with a few treats thrown in). Yes, it didn't replace Extra Magic Hours but IMHO it did shorten park hours for regular guests (although Disney would likely argue that point).I also think EMH at the MK have been reduced compared to past years but this is just my impression from frequent visits, I haven't researched it nor can I prove that trying to push a paid event is the reason why they've been reduced (but I suspect it is).
Once upon a time you would come to WDW to enjoy the parks at Christmas because of the decorations and holiday-themed entertainment. Today most of the holiday-themed entertainment is only available during the Mickey Christmas Party hard-ticketed event. I also have an issue with the frequency of the Halloween and Christmas parties, since they again shorten MK hours for regular guests.
Every Disney up-charge event seems to affect me personally in some way. The dessert parties have taken my favorite spots for watching the fireworks in both MK and Epcot. Again, not a biggie - there are plenty of other viewing areas. But still, this is something my family and I used to enjoy that we can no longer enjoy without paying a fee.
So again, to tie it back to the topic at hand, paying to park at DS is not a big deal and is easily avoided by me personally (I'd take Disney transport to avoid it) but my issue is it's just one more example where you have to get your wallet out again to have the same experience you had a few years ago.
jt04
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I wasn't talking about resort guests. Rather those who park at the resorts to eat and/or access transportation.
Disney After Hours no longer exists that I can find. And no, it did not replace EMH at all as it was on different nights that didn't have EMH. The park closed at the normal time, so normal day guests didn't lose anything. The evening EMH was reduced from 3 hours to 2 simply to save Disney money - and this one I do not agree with at all. But it was NOT because of a paid event.
The only difference is the parade, and that's been true for over 20 years. Oh, and in case you are blaming Iger, the MVMCP was held on 12-14 nights in December while Eisner was CEO - the same as it is now, so no different this century for December. Yes, they added November dates, I will give you that, but since there are 3 other parks and resorts and DS and a water park to visit on the night they have a party, well, it's a silly argument to me, as there is simply tons of other things to do on party nights. And I don't want to hear how it used to be 20 years ago. It's the past - it's over. I was there and know exactly how it used to be, and we are never going back to that.
Really, you watched the fireworks from the moat? The new hub added the areas in front of Crystal Palace and the Plaza. They weren't fireworks viewing areas prior to this, and the area in front of the Plaza is the one used for the parties, AFAIK.
And you would be wrong. Sorry, but your perception is incorrect for what you listed.
ETA: Oh and you never did answer my question. You stated that Disney used to add things for free, and I asked for them. Not a list of what your perception is for upcharge things that may or may not affect your trip at all.
pax_65
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Well, if you're going to dismiss my thoughts as "incorrect perceptions" anyway, there's really no point. I will just add this:
Given price increases across the board, I feel strongly that a WDW vacation is not nearly the value it once was (and I say that as a DVC member, so my room is essentially "free").
So if I'm a resort guest with a valid park admission and Disney asks me to take my wallet back out again for anything besides food and gifts, I'm not going to be happy about it. This goes for parking, hard-ticket events that close the park, Fast Passes, you name it. It's that simple. End of rant.
Lets Respect
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Parking fees with preferred options are widespread everywhere they can get away with them
I'm surprised they don't have fees at the resorts yet
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I'm surprised they don't have fees at the resorts yet
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