You need glasses then. And better hearing given the audio system was recently revamped.Meh. I have trouble hearing and seeing it even with the new screens. Time for an updated show.
But seriously, a new version is on it's way. Slowly.
You need glasses then. And better hearing given the audio system was recently revamped.Meh. I have trouble hearing and seeing it even with the new screens. Time for an updated show.
A new pavilion without a ride/show wouldn't get built today.
You see what you just said there? Something understandable. Something that makes sense.I apologize to bring this back, but just to clarify. Most people want more rides in EPCOT, but they want them to be thematically apropriate, and not replace another ride.
Im sure when you hang out w/ your friends from Brazil it is all margaritas and dancing.
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While small, I find the imagery to be quite clear. It's like watching YouTube on my iPhone. I really think it is the fountains that are the problem. If they were more impressive, the "boring" middle section wouldn't be boring. The rest of the show is still strong.You need glasses then. And better hearing given the audio system was recently revamped.
But seriously, a new version is on it's way. Slowly.
Simple. Read this:Maybe you can help me understand the following..
So the "general" thought process on this site is that we need more attractions (as in rides) in the WS to make it more interesting and attractive, as long as those rides have nothing to do with Disney characters?
One is intellectually unappealing, but the other is not? This is interesting to me and I'm trying to understand that point of view.
Don't get me wrong, I love rides, I'm just attempting to understand how something is deemed as fitting or not in the WS.
He managed to sum up pages of posts in a simple sentence. I'm also not sure there is a general thought process for this site. Its a bunch of individuals with their own thoughts.I apologize to bring this back, but just to clarify. Most people want more rides in EPCOT, but they want them to be thematically apropriate, and not replace another ride.
I wish that was the case. Here's what I've observed (in some threads, not all).Simple. Read this:
He managed to sum up pages of posts in a simple sentence. I'm also not sure there is a general thought process for this site. Its a bunch of individuals with their own thoughts.
So you are upset at @Mike S and @wdisney9000 for being rude and obnoxious and in the same post you start out belittling the people who don't agree with you by calling them names. Pot meet kettle.You know what? I don't care what is the consensus of imaginary imagineers.
1. They are a vocal minority who do not represent the average parkgoer or the bulk of WDW income.
2. There is no right or wrong. There is WDW doing as they see fit and people can like it or not. Super fans are not the curators of what Walt wanted, what were original intentions, etc. Original intentions were to put a weather-proof bubble dome over the whole thing. I guess there's no magic without that.
3. Repetitive arguments by a dozen people doesn't make them correct or more valid in their opinions which some insist on presenting as facts.
So rude. I'm surprised at you, I didn't think you were like that. We may agree or disagree on various topics, but that's not a cool tactic.
And that's obnoxious.
Do you fancy yourself Harry Potter yapping at Voldemort now?
Folks: perspective. This discussion is mostly inconsequential as are most of our opinions.
In this instance it's better to say they're making more Fantasylands.This is what I always come down to. I understand people not wanting IPs or even more specifically not wanting IPs that "don't fit" the environment. That makes sense.
What I don't get is the constant argument that adding a few IP rides here and there would make Epcot "like a second MK" or whatever people constantly say. For starters, MK isn't entirely or even mostly about IP attractions. Secondly, the basic setup of MK with it's multiple lands focused on general thematic tropes is vastly different from Epcot's two halves with pavilions -- adding a few rides here and there with IP isn't going to make the two parks remotely similar.
I can see the argument more in regards to DHS, but even there they are using a different prospective of single IP lands that engross you in the environment versus a more general area featuring loosely related attractions. To me, I think that all the parks continue to provide very distinct experiences from each other, even if those experiences are being further driven by IP.
And as I always point out -- TDS is probably the most similar park to a castle park in execution and people seem to have absolutely no problem with the similarity to TDL. In fact, people on these pages endlessly praise TDS as a fantastic park.
Africa, Asia, and Australia are continents. The latter just happens to also be it's own country.Absolutely. You could easily have an Australian section at both Epcot (representing the man-made culture) and DAK (representing the distinct wildlife and nature). It would be reasonable or possible, I think, to name a section at DAK as "Oceania" as opposed to Australia if they wanted it to more generic a name like Africa and Asia (since Australia is the name of a specific country)
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D'oh -- what he said
What's obnoxious is how they've come into and hijacked multiple threads now and just keep on doing it. Once one dies down they jump to another.And that's obnoxious.
Rude would be to categorize an entire countries culture as nothing more than food and sports. There is more to Brazil than Pele and dancing.So rude. I'm surprised at you, I didn't think you were like that. We may agree or disagree on various topics, but that's not a cool tactic
I was quoting The Emperor from Return of the Jedi and you thought it was Harry Potter? Shame, shame, your Disney card has been revoked!Do you fancy yourself Harry Potter yapping at Voldemort now?
She is like Siren part deux. The nonsense is hard to ignore.What's obnoxious is how they've come into and hijacked multiple threads now and just keep on doing it. Once one does down they jump to another.
Please, everyone stop responding.
Africa, Asia, and Australia are continents. The latter just happens to also be it's own country.
Yes, Brazil is more than that, and I definitely didn't say it was not more than that. However a few fitting and fun part of that country's culture to highlight in street shows and shops would be- Soccer, Samba, Food (empanadas, meats, etc..I think a table service churrascaria would be awesome in Epcot) Drinks (caipirinhas etc). Since all of the above are a big part of the culture.Rude would be to categorize an entire countries culture as nothing more than food and sports. There is more to Brazil than Pele and dancing.
I was quoting The Emperor from Return of the Jedi and you thought it was Harry Potter? Shame, shame, your Disney card has been revoked!
I know I over use that analogy and I don't really mean it to be offensive to MK. IMHO we had at one point 4 parks that were unique with their own overall park themes as well. MGM Studios was a working studio park, AK had its animals, nature and conservation, EPCOT was really 2 parts with their own theme but still very unique. MK is basically a grouping of lands around the central hub. Not a bad setup for a park and it works well there and at the other Castle parks around the world. When we see what's happening with DHS they are obviously going away from the working studio theme for the park. We don't really know yet what the new theme will be but it's likely a series of unrelated "lands". When they talk about adding GoTG to the Energy pavilion or Frozen in Norway you are moving away from a cohesive theme for the park and going to more of a series of unrelated attractions. I don't want to rehash the AK discussion here.This is what I always come down to. I understand people not wanting IPs or even more specifically not wanting IPs that "don't fit" the environment. That makes sense.
What I don't get is the constant argument that adding a few IP rides here and there would make Epcot "like a second MK" or whatever people constantly say. For starters, MK isn't entirely or even mostly about IP attractions. Secondly, the basic setup of MK with it's multiple lands focused on general thematic tropes is vastly different from Epcot's two halves with pavilions -- adding a few rides here and there with IP isn't going to make the two parks remotely similar.
I can see the argument more in regards to DHS, but even there they are using a different prospective of single IP lands that engross you in the environment versus a more general area featuring loosely related attractions. To me, I think that all the parks continue to provide very distinct experiences from each other, even if those experiences are being further driven by IP.
And as I always point out -- TDS is probably the most similar park to a castle park in execution and people seem to have absolutely no problem with the similarity to TDL. In fact, people on these pages endlessly praise TDS as a fantastic park.
DHS is adopting the same theme as USF where instead of seeing how movies are made we now jump into them. Of course there's also some TV and music thrown in on both sides as well.I know I over use that analogy and I don't really mean it to be offensive to MK. IMHO we had at one point 4 parks that were unique with their own overall park themes as well. MGM Studios was a working studio park, AK had its animals, nature and conservation, EPCOT was really 2 parts with their own theme but still very unique. MK is basically a grouping of lands around the central hub. Not a bad setup for a park and it works well there and at the other Castle parks around the world. When we see what's happening with DHS they are obviously going away from the working studio theme for the park. We don't really know yet what the new theme will be but it's likely a series of unrelated "lands". When they talk about adding GoTG to the Energy pavilion or Frozen in Norway you are moving away from a cohesive theme for the park and going to more of a series of unrelated attractions. I don't want to rehash the AK discussion here.
For me it's not just about adding IP or IP based rides but rather adding stuff that's appropriate to overall theme and keeping the parks somewhat unique. Obviously MK is the most popular and successful of the 4 Florida parks and it makes good business sense to want to clone it.
YES!!! And they have the WOL and Energy pavilions next to each other begging to be updated.I would think so. Disney knows that if they built a pavilion and just had food/shopping without a major attraction that they would be shredded by the online community and even casual guests would be unhappy.
That's the one reason I wouldn't mind seeing a new country be built -- because it pretty much b y default would have to include a big attraction and the WS needs it. So, I'd be happy if something were announced at D23 or the like.
But honestly I'd rather see Disney invest money on expanding the existing pavilions with new rides or other attractions. I'm one of those that feels every pavilion should have at least one big entertainment offering (not just streetmosphere).
Makes sense...unless they convert ToT to GuardiansDHS is adopting the same theme as USF where instead of seeing how movies are made we now jump into them. Of course there's also some TV and music thrown in on both sides as well.
Food, booze and sports are a major partof most cultures. If the depth of your cultural knowledge is limited to universal truths, it does not offer much.Yes, Brazil is more than that, and I definitely didn't say it was not more than that. However a few fitting and fun part of that country's culture to highlight in street shows and shops would be- Soccer, Samba, Food (empanadas, meats, etc..I think a table service churrascaria would be awesome in Epcot) Drinks (caipirinhas etc). Since all of the above are a big part of the culture.
Of course you'd rather argue rather than admit that those things may be fitting in a Brazil pavilion. To each their own.
Aw, no Nintendo?Food, booze and sports are a major partof most cultures. If the depth of your cultural knowledge is limited to universal truths, it does not offer much.
I am meeting my Asian friend to watch the football game. I am sure we will discuss ninjas and Honda Accords. That's what the Asian pavilions highlight , correct?
Let's try this another way since you aren't reading nor grasping what I am actually saying-Food, booze and sports are a major partof most cultures. If the depth of your cultural knowledge is limited to universal truths, it does not offer much.
I am meeting my Asian friend to watch the football game. I am sure we will discuss ninjas and Honda Accords. That's what the Asian pavilions highlight , correct?
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