pluto77
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I agree
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Poll: more attractions, or a 5th gate?
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bassman
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where as a new park would be cool,awesome in fact.
i think that some new additions to the parks would be the best.
AK still needs more i think,and MGM seems to be getting left behind by the other parks with regards to new attractions.
what i think should happen is that MGM should get one or two new rides, and AK should get the origionaly planned beastly kingdom area,it would tie in the dinoland USA area better with the rest of the park,i think.
i think that some new additions to the parks would be the best.
AK still needs more i think,and MGM seems to be getting left behind by the other parks with regards to new attractions.
what i think should happen is that MGM should get one or two new rides, and AK should get the origionaly planned beastly kingdom area,it would tie in the dinoland USA area better with the rest of the park,i think.
JimboJones123
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That's exactly what I am saying. They don't have to relate to be in the same park. Epcot works well with 2 parts. Part of the studio can be scrapped and put in something else. If not Seas, something else. The studio idea is about maxxed out unless you just throw more movie rides together. Might as well split the park like Epcot. Then you don't limit youself to the Studio theme.
JimboJones123
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darthjohnny
Active Member
I would love a new park, but if the built #5, the prices of tickets would sky rocket, and we wouldn't see anything new in the existing parks for quite sometime.
niteobsrvr
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I don't beleive DIsney will be able to support a 5th park now or in the forseeable future. As someone else said, they are having a difficult time staffing the parks they have now. A new park would literally require thousands of addtional employees who are both skilled and non-skilled which is something difficult to find in this employment market.
Also, one only needs to look at the themepark industry itself to see why adding a park now may not be in one's best financial interest. When you look nationally, all of the major Theme Park companies have reported flat or declining attendance. That is pretty unusual given the high price of gasoline and other factors. Normally, the local parks owned by the likes of Six Flags and Cedar Fair would see an increase in attendance as people choose to drive less and forgo costly vacation travel.
Looking at the local parks here in Orlando, the situation is much the same. SeaWorld is flat in attendance and Universal is down. I don't beleive any one knows what is going on with Cypress Gardens. My intuition tells me that while they did well initially after the take over, they haven't done so well as of late.
Disney's expansion plans are no longer focused on the US market. I saw a blurb in the news the other day that China has developed a plan and timeline to build a Disney Park. Could India be next? These are both places where income and especially disposable income are on the upswing.
Material and labor costs have skyrocketed so much in the US that building a park in central florida is a very costly matter. Because of the high prices, the return on investment would probalby take place over a much longer time than what the shareholders would like to see. This in turn means that the park doesn't get new additons as quickly after it opens creating another ANimal Kingdom like situation.
Finally, I believe and park must offer a product that meets the modern family's expectations. After years of building bigger, higher, faster, it would seem that Americans are getting bored with it. A relevant park today is much the same as Disneyland in the 50's. A place where children and adults can enjoy the entertainment together.
Also, one only needs to look at the themepark industry itself to see why adding a park now may not be in one's best financial interest. When you look nationally, all of the major Theme Park companies have reported flat or declining attendance. That is pretty unusual given the high price of gasoline and other factors. Normally, the local parks owned by the likes of Six Flags and Cedar Fair would see an increase in attendance as people choose to drive less and forgo costly vacation travel.
Looking at the local parks here in Orlando, the situation is much the same. SeaWorld is flat in attendance and Universal is down. I don't beleive any one knows what is going on with Cypress Gardens. My intuition tells me that while they did well initially after the take over, they haven't done so well as of late.
Disney's expansion plans are no longer focused on the US market. I saw a blurb in the news the other day that China has developed a plan and timeline to build a Disney Park. Could India be next? These are both places where income and especially disposable income are on the upswing.
Material and labor costs have skyrocketed so much in the US that building a park in central florida is a very costly matter. Because of the high prices, the return on investment would probalby take place over a much longer time than what the shareholders would like to see. This in turn means that the park doesn't get new additons as quickly after it opens creating another ANimal Kingdom like situation.
Finally, I believe and park must offer a product that meets the modern family's expectations. After years of building bigger, higher, faster, it would seem that Americans are getting bored with it. A relevant park today is much the same as Disneyland in the 50's. A place where children and adults can enjoy the entertainment together.
It still bugs me that people call Animal Kingdom and MGM 1/2 day parks. I guess everyone just goes, rides a couple of rides and leaves. That's not what Disney Parks are about!!!! Take your time and stroll through the parks, go through the trails, Look in the shops, take the train to Rafiki's Planet Watch and enjoy the animals, the petting zoo, the nursury and the operating room. Sit down and enjoy the view, it's really awesome. Everyone is always in a rush!!! In MGM, enjoy all the shows, take the time to go to All the shows, the rides, the back stage tours it's wonderful. Anyway, sorry for ranting, I agree that a 5th park is not necessary. I would much rather they expand on what they have. We don't really need a 5th park at all, what they have is great!!! We would all love to see expansion, but do it inside what we have already. We can spend 12 nights there and still not do everything we would like to do. We go every year (it's what makes working bearable) and we can't get enough. :lol:
BRER STITCH
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No new WDW parks until the current 4 are completed!
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Captain Chaos
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I did stroll around the park, taking in the sites, rode the rides, waiting for an hour on Dinosaur and 40 minutes for Safaris... and still was done with the park by 1... So AK is still a half day park....
wickedfan07
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Mankinds achievements??? okay??? They both start w/the letter S. That's just as powerful a link as mankinds achievements. I'm baffled again. Does that mean that the entire entertainment industry at the stuidos isn't a mankind achievement? How is wonders of life a mankind achievement? How is Canadians drinking beer an achievement? Dual park theme isn't a bad thing. MK gets by with a few more themes than that. Don't flame me for saying Six Flags, but Six Flags was originally supposed to be themed for the Six Flags over Texas. Now they have Gotham. And it rocks. It wouldn't kill. Why build a resort that makes you feel like you are in the Sierra Mountians in the Wilderness Lodge? It doesn't fit the theme of Florida. Just an Idea to build a current park and take it to a next step.[/quote]
What I'm saying is that Epcot's two-land set up survives because there are no seams between the two themes. Canadians drinking beer is an achievement because someome figured out how to make beer (as strange as that may sound.) (And Wonders of Life will be an achievement when it has an attraction.) On the Epcot park maps, the tagline is "Discover the Wonder" (or something like that), and that's exactly what you're doing there: discoveriung the "future" and discovering cultures you may never get to experience otherwise.
I only say no to a dual-land setup at the Studios because I think there'd be a break in the :magic" if I walked off the Backlot Tour, turned right and landed in Mysterious Island. That park has ALWAYS been geared toward entertainment. Building something on to the park that's not themed to studios or entertainment would probably confuse a lot of people. And it'd be a pain to name.
I'm not against expanding the Studios or even making it a "two-land park". Maybe while expanding the Studios they could borrow a different idea from Epcot: pavilions. There could be several different pavlions where certain classic movies (like Indiana Jones or Star Wars) are featured. And just like World Showcase, you are immersed in that theme until you walk out the front of the pavilion.
Magic Kingdom's themed areas don't bother anyone because that's the way it been for 35 years, not to mention Disneyland before it. Epcot has been the way it is for nearly 25 years. Tacking something like Seas onto the Studios after 17 years is confusing.
But we both agree, the Studios need something more.
What I'm saying is that Epcot's two-land set up survives because there are no seams between the two themes. Canadians drinking beer is an achievement because someome figured out how to make beer (as strange as that may sound.) (And Wonders of Life will be an achievement when it has an attraction.) On the Epcot park maps, the tagline is "Discover the Wonder" (or something like that), and that's exactly what you're doing there: discoveriung the "future" and discovering cultures you may never get to experience otherwise.
I only say no to a dual-land setup at the Studios because I think there'd be a break in the :magic" if I walked off the Backlot Tour, turned right and landed in Mysterious Island. That park has ALWAYS been geared toward entertainment. Building something on to the park that's not themed to studios or entertainment would probably confuse a lot of people. And it'd be a pain to name.
I'm not against expanding the Studios or even making it a "two-land park". Maybe while expanding the Studios they could borrow a different idea from Epcot: pavilions. There could be several different pavlions where certain classic movies (like Indiana Jones or Star Wars) are featured. And just like World Showcase, you are immersed in that theme until you walk out the front of the pavilion.
Magic Kingdom's themed areas don't bother anyone because that's the way it been for 35 years, not to mention Disneyland before it. Epcot has been the way it is for nearly 25 years. Tacking something like Seas onto the Studios after 17 years is confusing.
But we both agree, the Studios need something more.
imagineer99
New Member
MGM, in my opinion, is the park that's on life-support right now.
Not only is it physically small in size, but the current line-up of shows and attractions is just sub-par. Beyond ToT and Rock 'N' Rollercoaster, it's like a living testament to the early nineties. Both the Animation Tour and the Backlot tour have become scaled down jokes. Indy is tired and old. Star Tours needs a serious update. And, even I think my beloved "Great Movie Ride" and "Muppets 3D" could use a revamp.
As for the other shows, "Beauty and Beast" has been running since 1922 and the guy ahead of me in Voyage of the Little Mermaid was nursing a musket wound.
Even the "new" additions aren't that spectacular. I think "LMA" is only midly entertaining (the entire "real" film aspect of the show is really hokey) and the Narnia thing is just an embarrassment.
Forget AK. MGM needs a heart transplant. STAT.
Not only is it physically small in size, but the current line-up of shows and attractions is just sub-par. Beyond ToT and Rock 'N' Rollercoaster, it's like a living testament to the early nineties. Both the Animation Tour and the Backlot tour have become scaled down jokes. Indy is tired and old. Star Tours needs a serious update. And, even I think my beloved "Great Movie Ride" and "Muppets 3D" could use a revamp.
As for the other shows, "Beauty and Beast" has been running since 1922 and the guy ahead of me in Voyage of the Little Mermaid was nursing a musket wound.
Even the "new" additions aren't that spectacular. I think "LMA" is only midly entertaining (the entire "real" film aspect of the show is really hokey) and the Narnia thing is just an embarrassment.
Forget AK. MGM needs a heart transplant. STAT.
mac41099
New Member
I agree with this poster. Sure we'd all like a 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. park. We all love Disney and new things they can offer us in the parks. Why else to we always throw out rumors and speculate on new rides/attractions on this forum?
However, put yourselves in Disney's shoes. Attendance isn't what they want it to be at a couple of the parks. Tourism is being affected by high gasoline prices, new terrorism threats, etc. Cost of materials/construction is going up. Not enough to staff more parks in Orlando, etc. The list goes on and on. It would be a financial disaster to build another $1-2 billion park.
Disney execs know that if they improve on the existing parks, it will keep attendance high and is much more cost efficient. Besides there is more upside for them to build new parks in Asia where there are growing economies.
Glasgow
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I like this idea, however, I think a Disney Seas clone (or parts of DS) would go better in AK, perhaps instead of a new land. This could allow for both land and sea animals and essentially be a combination of a zoo and aquarium (and attractions of course).
What will the new slogan be?
Its Nahtazuquarium
yeti
Well-Known Member
That's a pretty cool idea. What would they call it with that cool slogan though? Disney's Animal Seas!
JimboJones123
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Evenmorlikazu.
pluto77
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I agree, there was a post in another thread recently that said something like if we didn't go to the parks so much we wouldn't think that any of the parks NEEDED anything. On our last big family trip we were talking to a family in line at Animal Kingdom who was spending 2 weeks in Orlando, and they were on their 2nd day of Animal Kingdom.