Police: Disney Worker Traveled To Have ______ With 14-Year-Old Girl

[lilclerk]

Not to mention that the parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing online anyways.
So in the end, it really is the parent's fault their children get in trouble like that.
There are creeps out in the world. "you" as a parent have the responsibility to protect your children. That does not mean let them run off ALONE to meet some person from the internet. PERIOD!

While I do fully agree that it's the parents' responsibility to look after their kids... kids are sneaky. If they REALLY want to do something, they will mostly likely find a way to do it.
You can't protect them all the time, no matter how much you try :shrug:

Now, on the other hand, why a 14 year old would EVER think this is a good idea is beyond me.

 

[Nemo14]

So in the end, it really is the parent's fault their children get in trouble like that.

It is not the parents' fault that this man is a pervert, nor is it any parents' fault that he was caught!

 

[KingofHearts]

This guy VOLUNTARILY sought after, then showed up to be with what he thought was a 14 year old. You're defending the wrong side on this one.

This guy was LIED to and most likely enticed to meet up and fall into the trap.

What you all do not understand is the "police force" will do WHATEVER it takes to make it look like they are "doing a good job".


For example: A young college student was arrested for sexual crimes against a mother and her young daughter. He was sentenced to time in jail and given a title of "______ offender" on his record.


What happened you ask? The student was sharing an apartment with other students. He stepped outside in his boxers just to the door step to get the morning paper, when his roommates decided it would be funny to lock him out. As he turned around to walk around the back of the apt (duplex) a woman and her daughter was walking by. They then called the police and said the man was inappropriately dressed and it offended her and her daughter.


Now tell me. Did this guy deserve to go to jail for this???









The answer is NO by the way.

 

[mouselvrmom]

No, but I know that he intended to knowingly have "naughty" with a 14 year old. Enough said!

Exactly. It's never the child's fault it's always the adult's fault. That's why it is illegal. A 14 year old is not sufficiently mature enough to make that decision for themselves.

 

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

Well, since the officer was posing as a 14-year old, that makes it entrapment.

I am not saying what the guy did was right or wrong. but no one here knows the exchange of conversation between the man and the undercover officer.

However I am almost positive (knowing OCPD the way I do) they invited him to meet in the parking lot. which also makes it entrapment.

There is NO LAW saying that you can not talk to an under aged person online. .

1) No it doesn't - the officer would be responding to the blokes line of chat - not saying "Hi I'm 14 and I want "naughties - who wants to meet me"

2) You're right NO ONE knows the exchange pf conversation - even you - but you have to remember that the evidence has to be strong enough to put before a court - no court anywhere will convict if the evidence isnt safe

3) the invitation to meet will be a way of luring the suspect out to be arrested - the evidence to convict will have been in place before the meeting

4) No its not illegal to talk to a 14 yr old - its what you talk about and suggest / imply in that conversation

 

[Mr Bill]

Man, that's sad.

Now I hope people don't think this is out of line, but it would have been funny if Chris Hansen from 'To Catch a Predator' went on the Jungle Cruise to catch this sicko. At the Nile River part of the ride, Chris Hansen could have asked this loser if HE was "in de Nile" about the whole situation with the under aged girl. Then he would bring up the chat log and say, "Online you told this girl that your ______ ranges from 12 inches to a whopping 1 foot."

Hope this doesn't offend anyone, I just tried to make light of a bad situation. Plus if you watch 'To Catch a Predator', Chris Hansen is actually pretty funny sometimes when he asks the predator questions.

I know this is a bad situation, and a rather disgusting one at that, but I think I have a new pickup line

 

[ImaYoyo]

It's funny you mention that we'd never know what this guy said, because they just updated the article:

http://www.wftv.com/news/14112689/detail.html

Undercover Deputy: "how old ru again?"

Absolutskipper: "old...27"

>Undercover Deputy: "cool"

Absolutskipper: "you ok with that?"

>Undercover Deputy: "yeah, as long as ur ok with me 14"

Absolutskipper: "hehe as long as you aren't one of those to catch a predator people"

So he knew this person was 14... and went for it. I don't care if it's a 14 year old on the other side of the PC or a 45 year old. If they said they're 14, which they did, this person showed up KNOWING that there would be a 14 year old waiting to perform naughty acts.

I'm absolutely DISGUSTED that someone would put blame on the authorities here. That is SERIOUSLY disturbing and sickening at the same time.

 

[ImaYoyo]

You know the OCPD very well?

What's the OCPD? I've never heard of that law enforcement agency...:shrug:

Well, since the officer was posing as a 14-year old, that makes it entrapment.

I am not saying what the guy did was right or wrong. but no one here knows the exchange of conversation between the man and the undercover officer.

However I am almost positive (knowing OCPD the way I do) they invited him to meet in the parking lot. which also makes it entrapment.

There is NO LAW saying that you can not talk to an under aged person online.

My wife says "Well, most people like that will claim they are a 14 year old boy wanting to meet up." I do not dispuit this. but if parents would raise their children better to not be trying to have ______ at age 14, on top of that of ALL these cases where some under aged child is invited to meet someoen from the internet. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? I know darn well if my child came to me and said "Hey I have been talking to this person online for a while and want to meet them. I would find out who this person was and IF I allowed my child to meet them I would be there with them.

Not to mention that the parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing online anyways.


So in the end, it really is the parent's fault their children get in trouble like that.



There are creeps out in the world. "you" as a parent have the responsibility to protect your children. That does not mean let them run off ALONE to meet some person from the internet. PERIOD!





Um... whatever that means.

 

[BuzzLite_Fran]

Well, since the officer was posing as a 14-year old, that makes it entrapment.

I am not saying what the guy did was right or wrong. but no one here knows the exchange of conversation between the man and the undercover officer.

However I am almost positive (knowing OCPD the way I do) they invited him to meet in the parking lot. which also makes it entrapment.

There is NO LAW saying that you can not talk to an under aged person online.

My wife says "Well, most people like that will claim they are a 14 year old boy wanting to meet up." I do not dispuit this. but if parents would raise their children better to not be trying to have ______ at age 14, on top of that of ALL these cases where some under aged child is invited to meet someoen from the internet. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? I know darn well if my child came to me and said "Hey I have been talking to this person online for a while and want to meet them. I would find out who this person was and IF I allowed my child to meet them I would be there with them.



I also find the fact that you blame parents when it isnt the parents who are sick and twisted a little disturbing.! Sure I agree as parents we should know what our kids are doing online. No argument there, however kids are going to do things in secret etc,,,,, that we are not aware of etc. All we can hope is that we have taught them right about the dangers of talking to someone they don't know online etc. But to blame the kids or parents for someone elses' nastiness is just plain wrong.

I also teach internet safety to kids at our schools each year 9about 1400 kids) and it is always baffling to me how sick these creatures are. they are not even people in my book. also even if i played devils advocate on this one....and lets say for argument's sake it was entrapment.....>SOOOO WHATTTT!!! If it saves 1 child from being victimized or killed....then it would be worth it to me.

Not to mention that the parents should be monitoring what their kids are doing online anyways.


So in the end, it really is the parent's fault their children get in trouble like that.



There are creeps out in the world. "you" as a parent have the responsibility to protect your children. That does not mean let them run off ALONE to meet some person from the internet. PERIOD!





Um... whatever that means.

Actually again you are mistaken. I am a police officer who has worked on these kinds of stings in the past years....and im telling you a police officer posing as a 14 year old child or underage person IS NOT illegal, or entrapment.. Further if the police went along and pretended to be a teen, and the suspect said he wanted to meet, the fact that he showed up constitutes a crime!, also And YES if you say or type certain things to teenagers or underage kids, and what I mean by certain things to be explicit things that alone IS illegal.

I dont mean to cut you off on this one but unless you know what you are talking about you are wrong. I have testified both in state and federal court on these cases, so I should know a little about what I am saying here.

 

[BuzzLite_Fran]

Doulble post in error sorry

 

[mermaid1]

It stinks even more that some are employed at WDW

Why does it stink EVEN MORE if they work at WDW, it stinks the same NO MATTER where they work!!!!

 

[sbkline]

For example: A young college student was arrested for sexual crimes against a mother and her young daughter. He was sentenced to time in jail and given a title of "______ offender" on his record.


What happened you ask? The student was sharing an apartment with other students. He stepped outside in his boxers just to the door step to get the morning paper, when his roommates decided it would be funny to lock him out. As he turned around to walk around the back of the apt (duplex) a woman and her daughter was walking by. They then called the police and said the man was inappropriately dressed and it offended her and her daughter.


Now tell me. Did this guy deserve to go to jail for this???

No he didn't, and I agree with you on that particular point. My Dad is a chaplain in a prison and he has given examples of how "______ offender" laws are abused and the label "______ offender" given to people who did nothing wrong.

Case in point: An 18 year old is dating a 16 year old. They live close to the state line and on the other side of the state line is a city with a big mall. If the 18 year old takes his 16 year old girlfriend over the state line to go shopping and out to dinner, her parents can get honked off and have him arrested for illegally taking a minor over the state line and he can be given the label of "______ offender". That's horsecrap no matter how you look at it. Yes she is a minor and if the parents don't approve of the relationship, then they have a case against this guy if he continues to see the minor against their wishes. But let's not insult women who have been the victims of REAL ______ crimes by throwing that label on someone and ruining their reputation for life just because he wanted to take his girlfriend out shopping and for supper.

Having said all that, I totally disagree with the rest of your post. It is NOT entrapment. It is not entrapment anymore than it is for undercover cops to pose as prostitutes in a sting operation. Or to send an underage mystery shopper in to buy alcohol at the local Walmart in order to bust any cashiers who might sell to underage kids. It is a perfectly legit way to bust predators or people violating the laws regarding the legal age at which to purchase certain products.

 

[BuzzLite_Fran]

No he didn't, and I agree with you on that particular point. My Dad is a chaplain in a prison and he has given examples of how "______ offender" laws are abused and the label "______ offender" given to people who did nothing wrong.

Case in point: An 18 year old is dating a 16 year old. They live close to the state line and on the other side of the state line is a city with a big mall. If the 18 year old takes his 16 year old girlfriend over the state line to go shopping and out to dinner, her parents can get honked off and have him arrested for illegally taking a minor over the state line and he can be given the label of "______ offender". That's horsecrap no matter how you look at it. Yes she is a minor and if the parents don't approve of the relationship, then they have a case against this guy if he continues to see the minor against their wishes. But let's not insult women who have been the victims of REAL ______ crimes by throwing that label on someone and ruining their reputation for life just because he wanted to take his girlfriend out shopping and for supper.

Having said all that, I totally disagree with the rest of your post. It is NOT entrapment. It is not entrapment anymore than it is for undercover cops to pose as prostitutes in a sting operation. Or to send an underage mystery shopper in to buy alcohol at the local Walmart in order to bust any cashiers who might sell to underage kids. It is a perfectly legit way to bust predators or people violating the laws regarding the legal age at which to purchase certain products.

While I question the original source material of KingofHearts info about simple being labled __________ offender by simply parading around in boxers, i will concede in ANY criminal law there are always a few exceptions to the rule on how they get abused etc, however like I said before due to my experience in my occupation, I have NEVER seen anyone unfairly convicted and having to do time that was not actually guilty.... Most of the time they confess... or there is simply too much evidence, witnesses that make it an airtight case.

I on the otherhand find it extremely offensive that from time to time I hear about these cases where some judge somewhere in America will give a convicted _______________ offender probation or simply a couple of weeks or a month in jail for their second offense.....and it usually is more brutal thatn their previous crimes.....etc... I find that ludicrous and absolutely ridulous!
I am one of those people who believe that once a ________________ always a ________________ offender. I do not believe that they can be rehabilitated. they may not re- offend but they will always have those urges. This is evident in just watching the Dateline Shows. these men KNOW the VERY REAL possibility that they could get caught, but just can't help themselves.

This is not really a sickness in my opinion, its just pure EVIL :hurl: :hurl:

And for anyone to remotely blame the victims .......our children....... just doesnt compute.
The people really to blame are the evil men who prey upon the naiativity and innocence that children have. Yes children are responsibile for their own actions, but they have neither the life experience or brain growth to be able to reason things out like you and I can as adults.

personally I feel if you are a true________ offender you should be segregated from society for the rest of your life as you pose a ligetimate danger in society.....Case in point JOHN COOEY when he was "naughty" with and buriey alive 9 year old Jessica Lunsford. EVIL is all I can say.

:fork: