Pluto Character incident?

[sbkline]

Some excuse for bad parenting...


What you're saying is, your kid can do anything he wants to someone...
He/she may kick someone in the nuts, because the other is not allowed to react ???

No, that's not what I said at all. I said that there are certain behaviors which can't be tolerated, and if my son engaged in those behaviors, I, as his Father, would deal with him appropriately. And certainly, kicking someone in the "nuts" (unless it is out of genuine self defense) is not acceptable, and if he did this to a character at WDW (or anyone for that matter, unless there was a good reason), he would answer to me. But I'm not gonna stand there and watch some adult stranger trying to lay hands on my child. Now, if my 6 year old son did this to another six year old, then I may very well stand by and allow the six year old child to teach my 6 year old a lesson, but not an adult.

While you are neglecting to fuction as a good parent...

And all because YOU want to be addressed??? You should 've brought your kids up better!!! If you did, the whole incident wouldn't have happened...

Most parents only start laughing stupidly, because it's seems to be soooooo funny to see how Goofy get's hurt by some brat...

Parents are not God and as such are not omnipresent or omnipotent. We can't always be there to keep our children from doing something, and we can't always see what they are doing. We can raise our children the best we can, but they still have minds of their own and will do things they know they aren't supposed to. And, even if I have my eyes on my child, if he's some distance away, there's not a thing I can do to stop him if he chooses to kick someone in the crotch. I can deal with it after the fact, and I would. But you must understand that it doesn't make one a bad parent if his child does something wrong. How you deal with it determines whether you are a good or bad parent...and even that is "iffy" because we aren't perfect and we won't always succeed in dealing with it the way we should. We're human, too.

I'm not saying that it's okay for kids to do this. I'm just saying that it's the parents' job to discipline their kids. It's not the job of some dude to go chasing after your child to lay hands on him.

No matter how bratty a kid is and no matter how much he deserves a good butt whippin (by his guardians), you can't take those things into your own hands. Especially in the senstive day and age we live in now, you have to be extremely cautious against laying your hands on someone else's kid. Heck, it's almost where you can't even lay hands on your OWN kid anymore without some tool wanting to cry "child abuse".

 

[mkt]

I defended myself against a guest, and I suffered the consequences. I say bravo to Pluto... throw the brat in the river for all I care.

 

[sbkline]

I defended myself against a guest, and I suffered the consequences. I say bravo to Pluto... throw the brat in the river for all I care.

Just to make myself clear, if you, an adult cast member, are physically assaulted by an adult guest (or even a punk teenager), then I applaud you for defending yourself. I firmly believe in the right to self defense, and I don't care who you are or who you work for...you have a right to defend yourself if attacked. If some adult starts something with you and you punch his lights out, good for you.

But the rules are totally different with kids. Some brat may spit on you or kick you in the crotch, but it's up to the parent to address the issue...it's not up to you to go chasing the kid down.

Similarly, if a 6 year old starts crap with another 6 year old (or similar age range), I firmly believe in the right of the victim to defend himself and to beat the other kid's butt from here to next week. And if my son is the one who picked the fight, I may very well stand by and watch him get what he has coming...although I would intervene eventually to make sure that he doesn't teach him more of a lesson than he needs to. LOL But again, that's one child defending himself against another. It's a different story when you have an adult trying to physically harm a child, even if the child was in the wrong. But if it makes you feel any better, if my child were to kick you in the groin, you can rest assured that he will pay the price when I get him back to our hotel room.

 

[PKD]

Here is the original thread
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=225400

Here is an updated version of the video with some comedy added to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq07fejwOXY

I agree with Corrus and MKT on this. When I was good friends with a popular Mystery Dog back in the day, I had so much padding I looked like I was 400 pounds. Even then, I could feel the punches and would bruise.

 

[unkadug]

There were a couple of threads.. I think this one was the first. :shrug:


and yes, the Benny Hill remix one on YouTube was quite amusing.

notice the embedded link.. see below VVV

There were a couple of threads.. I [B]think[/B] [URL="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=225400"][B]this[/B][/URL] one was the first. :shrug:


and yes, the Benny Hill remix one on [I]YouTube[/I] was quite amusing.

theres another thread on here somehwere...because this thread wasnt the first time i saw it on here

I didn't mean THIS thread! :lol:

Here is the original thread
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=225400

Here is an updated version of the video with some comedy added to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq07fejwOXY

I agree with Corrus and MKT on this. When I was good friends with a popular Mystery Dog back in the day, I had so much padding I looked like I was 400 pounds. Even then, I could feel the punches and would bruise.

I guess nobody pays attention to embedded links anymore....:shrug:

 

[mkt]

But the rules are totally different with kids. Some brat may spit on you or kick you in the crotch, but it's up to the parent to address the issue...it's not up to you to go chasing the kid down.

Fair enough, but IME the parents SELDOM addressed the problem. They would usually be indifferent about it. In fact, some parents supported this!

Thankfully, I had a few wonderful managers in my time there, most who would scold the guests, and take action based on the guests reaction. One manager in particular would not hesitate in ejecting those guests from the park and have their tickets voided without refund. But not all managers were this hands-on about this.

As an attacked CM, what recourse do I have if I am attacked by a guest and my management does nothing about it? It's not like I can rip my character head off, get my cellphone out, and call 911 to press charges... or verbally tell them that is not right. Unfortunately, I can feel that the retaliation is justified... maybe not chasing a 6 year old around main street, but a squeeze of the kids hand or a flick of the ear.

Unfortunately, there aren't enough good parents out there. Most parents are crap and tolerate this crap.

 

[mkt]

I agree with Corrus and MKT on this. When I was good friends with a popular Mystery Dog back in the day, I had so much padding I looked like I was 400 pounds. Even then, I could feel the punches and would bruise.

At least you had padding I was friends with an orange cat whose stomach was friends with my "gentlemans area." So when a child thought it'd be funny to punch the aforementioned orange cat in the stomach, they'd leave me unable to father a child temporarily :zipit:

 

[sbkline]

Fair enough, but IME the parents SELDOM addressed the problem. They would usually be indifferent about it. In fact, some parents supported this!

Thankfully, I had a few wonderful managers in my time there, most who would scold the guests, and take action based on the guests reaction. One manager in particular would not hesitate in ejecting those guests from the park and have their tickets voided without refund. But not all managers were this hands-on about this.

As an attacked CM, what recourse do I have if I am attacked by a guest and my management does nothing about it? It's not like I can rip my character head off, get my cellphone out, and call 911 to press charges... or verbally tell them that is not right. Unfortunately, I can feel that the retaliation is justified... maybe not chasing a 6 year old around main street, but a squeeze of the kids hand or a flick of the ear.

Unfortunately, there aren't enough good parents out there. Most parents are crap and tolerate this crap.

I have no idea about any of the parents you speak of, since I obviously wasn't there. But maybe they DID address the issue, but did it in private, like back at the hotel room. My wife and I both believe firmly in spanking, but unfortunately, there are alot of dillwads out there who cry "child abuse" if you lay a hand on your child. So when our child gets old enough to get into trouble like that, we expect to have to be very careful about disciplining our child lest some pathetic nutjob turn us in for child abuse. I'm sure many other parents feel the same way these days. So if you observe a lack of reaction by the parents, it could very well be that they just don't care enough to take action. Or it could be that they intend to deal with the issue, but plan to do it in private where they don't have to worry about some imbecile turning them in.

Of course, speaking from my own experience from my childhood, sometimes that's an even better way to punish the kid: don't give him his whippin' then and there. Tell him that he's GONNA get it when he gets home. Then, not only does he get the whippin' later, but he spends the rest of the day squirming about it, knowing what's coming. mwahahahaha!

 

[joanna71985]

At least you had padding I was friends with an orange cat whose stomach was friends with my "gentlemans area." So when a child thought it'd be funny to punch the aforementioned orange cat in the stomach, they'd leave me unable to father a child temporarily :zipit:

Ouch!!

 

[phenom1307]

notice the embedded link.. see below VVV

There were a couple of threads.. I [b]think[/b] [url="http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=225400"][b]this[/b][/url] one was the first. :shrug:
 
 
and yes, the Benny Hill remix one on [i]YouTube[/i] was quite amusing.

I didn't mean THIS thread! :lol:


I guess nobody pays attention to embedded links anymore....:shrug:

hahaha my bad...i thought it was just made blue and underlined to add emphasis(sp?) i didnt even bother to look click on it....:hammer:



and also...how does everyone just assume that the kid did something to pluto..maybe pluto and the kid were just having fun and this woman assumes that pluto is trying to "attack" this little kid and then confronts pluto

 

[sbkline]

and also...how does everyone just assume that the kid did something to pluto..maybe pluto and the kid were just having fun and this woman assumes that pluto is trying to "attack" this little kid and then confronts pluto

When I watched the video, it looked pretty clear to me that this was a hostile encounter. Pluto was trying to get his hands on this kid and was chasing him around, and the mother stepped in to defend her son. At least that's what it looked like to me.

Now I have a very hard time believing that the guy under that costume would just decide that he'd like to lose his job that day and possibly land in jail, so he thought a good way to do that would be to randomly attack a little kid. In order for him to be risking that much to get his hands on this kid, I am convinced that the child must have done something to warrant this kind of response. But be that as it may, as I have explained in the past several posts, "Pluto" reacted inappropriately.

 

[Main Street USA]

I have no idea about any of the parents you speak of, since I obviously wasn't there. But maybe they DID address the issue, but did it in private, like back at the hotel room. My wife and I both believe firmly in spanking, but unfortunately, there are alot of dillwads out there who cry "child abuse" if you lay a hand on your child. So when our child gets old enough to get into trouble like that, we expect to have to be very careful about disciplining our child lest some pathetic nutjob turn us in for child abuse. I'm sure many other parents feel the same way these days. So if you observe a lack of reaction by the parents, it could very well be that they just don't care enough to take action. Or it could be that they intend to deal with the issue, but plan to do it in private where they don't have to worry about some imbecile turning them in.

Of course, speaking from my own experience from my childhood, sometimes that's an even better way to punish the kid: don't give him his whippin' then and there. Tell him that he's GONNA get it when he gets home. Then, not only does he get the whippin' later, but he spends the rest of the day squirming about it, knowing what's coming. mwahahahaha!

It's simple. The parent should've been standing close enough that when/if something happened, the whole chase never would've happened. As soon as that kid did something wrong, he/she should've been in the arm of a parent and headed the other direction. Instead, the mother stood there when it happened, then after it happened, waited for it to escalate. Ridiculous.

This situation equals bad parenting on so many levels. An 8 year old child who is parented well would never even consider being violent with a character because THEY WOULD ALREADY KNOW BETTER. If their parent would've disciplined them in the proper manner and not let them get away with things in the past, this behavior wouldn't even be an OPTION in the kids head.

 

[sbkline]

It's simple. The parent should've been standing close enough that when/if something happened, the whole chase never would've happened. As soon as that kid did something wrong, he/she should've been in the arm of a parent and headed the other direction. Instead, the mother stood there when it happened, then after it happened, waited for it to escalate. Ridiculous.

This situation equals bad parenting on so many levels. An 8 year old child who is parented well would never even consider being violent with a character because THEY WOULD ALREADY KNOW BETTER. If their parent would've disciplined them in the proper manner and not let them get away with things in the past, this behavior wouldn't even be an OPTION in the kids head.

Sorry, it's not that simple. I don't know if you have kids or not, but I hope you remember those words one of these days when, after doing your best to teach your kid right and wrong, he turns around and does something totally contrary to what you taught him. And when he does, just remember those times that you said it makes a person a bad parent if their kids act that way.

Now, my son is only 17 months old, so I haven't experienced this with my own child yet. But I remember myself as a child. My Dad was a pastor and he and Mom did their best to raise me to know right from wrong and to behave the way I should. Being a human being with a mind of my own, I didn't always behave the way they taught me to behave. Does that mean they were bad parents? No. It just means that I made wrong choices and had to be disciplined.

And parents don't always, can't always, and should not be expected to always be standing at arm's length from their children. At some point, and at some age, the parent has to be able to stand on the edge of Main Street and watch his/her child go up to a character to get a picture taken without standing right next to him holding his hand. Most children will behave properly, get their picture taken and go back to Mom and Dad. But as this video demonstrates, there's always that one jackass that has to try to be cute and do something stupid. And kids are often unpredictable and will do things you totally unexpect. One is not a bad parent just because his child does something stupid. I don't know too many people who raised perfect kids. It doesn't excuse the kid by any means, and he needs his butt whooped when he does stuff like that. But it is totally unfair to brand people as bad parents just because their children do those things that children do.

Like I said, just remember your words and your high standards of parenting when you have children. And remember it even more if/when people start calling you a bad parent just because they see your child misbehaving.

 

[phenom1307]

i still dont understand how everyone interprets this as a hostile situation....when i was a little kid i use to "play" with the characters all the time....goofy took my cousins hat and put it on his nose and we all chased him around until he gave it back and he began to chase us....so how do you not know something similar went on here? nobody does expect for the pluto and maybe the little kid.....so dont just assume the kid kicked pluto or something

 

[sbkline]

You're right...none of us really KNOW what happened other than those involved. All we can do is watch the video and interpret the events for ourselves and draw conclusions from there. When I watched the video, it looked apparent to me that Pluto was looking to kick some butt. But, of course, I could be wrong.

 

[mkt]

and also...how does everyone just assume that the kid did something to pluto..maybe pluto and the kid were just having fun and this woman assumes that pluto is trying to "attack" this little kid and then confronts pluto

BINGO!

Because people are always out looking for someone to blame

 

[Main Street USA]

Sorry, it's not that simple. I don't know if you have kids or not, but I hope you remember those words one of these days when, after doing your best to teach your kid right and wrong, he turns around and does something totally contrary to what you taught him. And when he does, just remember those times that you said it makes a person a bad parent if their kids act that way.

Now, my son is only 17 months old, so I haven't experienced this with my own child yet. But I remember myself as a child. My Dad was a pastor and he and Mom did their best to raise me to know right from wrong and to behave the way I should. Being a human being with a mind of my own, I didn't always behave the way they taught me to behave. Does that mean they were bad parents? No. It just means that I made wrong choices and had to be disciplined.

And parents don't always, can't always, and should not be expected to always be standing at arm's length from their children. At some point, and at some age, the parent has to be able to stand on the edge of Main Street and watch his/her child go up to a character to get a picture taken without standing right next to him holding his hand. Most children will behave properly, get their picture taken and go back to Mom and Dad. But as this video demonstrates, there's always that one jackass that has to try to be cute and do something stupid. And kids are often unpredictable and will do things you totally unexpect. One is not a bad parent just because his child does something stupid. I don't know too many people who raised perfect kids. It doesn't excuse the kid by any means, and he needs his butt whooped when he does stuff like that. But it is totally unfair to brand people as bad parents just because their children do those things that children do.

Like I said, just remember your words and your high standards of parenting when you have children. And remember it even more if/when people start calling you a bad parent just because they see your child misbehaving.

You make good sense. That being said, if it were my kid that did that, even if I weren't standing at arms length, it still wouldn't have gone that far. I would've interrupted the "chase" by picking up my kid and heading in the other direction. I certainly WOULDN'T have continued the violence by knocking Pluto to the ground in front of so many guests.

Pluto may have acted inappropriately, but the person inside the suit would've been dealt with in the proper manner by his/her employer. After the child acted like a moron, the ONLY responsibility of that parent was to remove her child from any possible danger, walk away, then discipline her child. So, that being said, she IS a bad parent in my eyes. How can she possibly punish her child for hitting Pluto when she did the same thing?

 

[sbkline]

So, that being said, she IS a bad parent in my eyes. How can she possibly punish her child for hitting Pluto when she did the same thing?

Simple: her child hit Pluto for no reason at all, and she did it out of self defense...if indeed that's even what happened.

Hitting someone without provocation is unacceptable. Hitting someone in self defense or in defense of someone else is totally acceptable.

Besides, hypothetically, it very well could be that the mother didn't even see what initially happened. WDW is a busy place. It could be that she stood there while her child went up to see Pluto. In the meantime, someone comes by and accidentally bumps into her and says "excuse me" and she looks over, smiles and says "no problem". At that moment, her child could have kicked Pluto and she missed the whole thing. Or someone could have walked in between them, blocking her line of view. Any number of reasons could exist why she didn't see what happened, and only saw Pluto chasing her kid around.

And no, that doesn't mean she's a bad parent just because she missed it. Parents are all human, too, and while it would be nice if we could have Godlike qualities of seeing everything all the time and being omnipresent, God has not chosen to endow parents with such supernatural abilities. Things can happen to distract our attention and as we all know, children can do things so fast that we can miss it just by having out heads turned for a split second.

 

[eagles]

i agree with everything you have said sbkline. we do not know what happened. and nothing in that video proves to me that mother is a bad parent.

 

[mkt]

Zac. Off topic, but why the !#$^!$^!$^@$*@$%^!@$#% are you wearing a Yankees cap?!?!?!?!