Please Remember to Pack Your Brains

World_Showcase_Lover007

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I accidentally left my wallet on a bench in WS at the Italy pavilion on our last trip because I was too preoccupied with the penny press . I returned when I noticed the wallet wasn't in my back pocket about ten minutes later. Luckily someone had given it to a CM and they had it waiting for me in the shop. The lady who turned it in was still around so I was able to locate her and thank her profusely, and I think I even gave her a hug lol. But even though I was in WDW I was definitely panicking there for a minute.
 

slappy magoo

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My wife would probably disagree with me, but I think back to what I was able and unable to do as a child, even before kindergarten, on a weekend, it was not unusual to be out the door after breakfast and as long as all of my siblings and I were home by dinner (or called), nobody panicked and no fuss was raised.

As a dad of two girls, it's always a hassle when I take them out alone because of the bathroom issue. My wife doesn't want me to go into a public restroom alone. I don't like them going into the men's room with me because men are pigs. Even if no men are in there at the time, it's always disgusting. I prefer asking a female employee to see if the ladies' room is currently uncoccupied, then going in there with my kids and announcing my presence any time the door opens ("sorry, I'm here with my daughters"). But sometimes I have to let them go alone. My wife hates it and chews me out every time, but I tell my girls how to behave, not to talk to strangers, do their business wash up and get out, where I'll be waiting for them etc. Sometimes you just do your best.

As far as the OP's story, maybe this is a mom who tells her kids, as others have said, what to do if a stranger approaches them. They might know all about Stranger Danger. Maybe she thought (right or wrong), she'd be able to see her kids while placing her order. Maybe she was afraid she wouldn't be able to navigate her kids and the food and find a table (the "ethics" of holding a table when you don't have your food notwithstanding) without spilling everything. Maybe, like a lot of people, she just got overwhelmed by trying to jam too much into one day, she got exhausted and made what is arguably a questionable choice (or questionably an arguable choice). I can have some sympathy for her because of the daddy-daughter bathroom issue. And sometimes you just don't want your kids to think every adult is trying to kidnap them and murder them, so you give them an ounce of freedom and you hope for the best.

Having said all that, one of my creepiest moments at WDW (pre-having kids of my own) - my then-GF and were on our first trip. We got off our bus and walked to the gate to the MK, and we saw a 3 year old just running away from his parents, towards the Contemporary. They were completely oblivious to it, walking in an opposite direction, looking at a map. They had one other child, noticeably older, so one of them could have been holding the hand of this 3 year old, they just didn't. We brought it to the parents' attention, and they just rolled their eyes as if it were the hundredth time it happened...not like they'd take steps to stop it from happening for the 101st time or anything...then lumbered over to get the kid, never calling his name as he just randomly walked down the sidewalk, at any time possibly veering into the street. I found that far more -ish than leaving your kids at a table while you get them their lunch, in a location with more security cameras than your average Vegas casino. I know, we live in a world where anything can happen. But we live in a world where we can practically wrap our kids in bubble wrap and wheel them around like Hannibal Lecter so they're always in our site and never off our leash and something bad can still happen, and we have to live in those shades of grey where we try to keep them as safe as possible but let them know we trust them and that, while there might be monsters in this world, it's not nothing but monsters.
 

DfromATX

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I have a little story to tell... On our first trip, I was outside a store watching a parade while my husband was inside the store with rest of our kids (we have 4 between us). After the parade, I went back into the store and saw that our then 4 year old was no where around. Husband said he thought he was with me. At this point, we both got that gut sinking feeling and went into a panic. It's a horrible, horrible feeling. Losing track of your kid in Target is one thing, but Disney World.... Anyway, just a few minutes pass and there's this man coming towards us with our son on his shoulders! I was never so relieved. Sounds strange, but the man said he put him up there so he could spot us easier (and it worked). He's 13 now and doesn't remember it, but I'll never forget it.
 

jaklgreen

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My wife would probably disagree with me, but I think back to what I was able and unable to do as a child, even before kindergarten, on a weekend, it was not unusual to be out the door after breakfast and as long as all of my siblings and I were home by dinner (or called), nobody panicked and no fuss was raised.

As a dad of two girls, it's always a hassle when I take them out alone because of the bathroom issue. My wife doesn't want me to go into a public restroom alone. I don't like them going into the men's room with me because men are pigs. Even if no men are in there at the time, it's always disgusting. I prefer asking a female employee to see if the ladies' room is currently uncoccupied, then going in there with my kids and announcing my presence any time the door opens ("sorry, I'm here with my daughters"). But sometimes I have to let them go alone. My wife hates it and chews me out every time, but I tell my girls how to behave, not to talk to strangers, do their business wash up and get out, where I'll be waiting for them etc. Sometimes you just do your best.

As far as the OP's story, maybe this is a mom who tells her kids, as others have said, what to do if a stranger approaches them. They might know all about Stranger Danger. Maybe she thought (right or wrong), she'd be able to see her kids while placing her order. Maybe she was afraid she wouldn't be able to navigate her kids and the food and find a table (the "ethics" of holding a table when you don't have your food notwithstanding) without spilling everything. Maybe, like a lot of people, she just got overwhelmed by trying to jam too much into one day, she got exhausted and made what is arguably a questionable choice (or questionably an arguable choice). I can have some sympathy for her because of the daddy-daughter bathroom issue. And sometimes you just don't want your kids to think every adult is trying to kidnap them and murder them, so you give them an ounce of freedom and you hope for the best.

Having said all that, one of my creepiest moments at WDW (pre-having kids of my own) - my then-GF and were on our first trip. We got off our bus and walked to the gate to the MK, and we saw a 3 year old just running away from his parents, towards the Contemporary. They were completely oblivious to it, walking in an opposite direction, looking at a map. They had one other child, noticeably older, so one of them could have been holding the hand of this 3 year old, they just didn't. We brought it to the parents' attention, and they just rolled their eyes as if it were the hundredth time it happened...not like they'd take steps to stop it from happening for the 101st time or anything...then lumbered over to get the kid, never calling his name as he just randomly walked down the sidewalk, at any time possibly veering into the street. I found that far more ***-ish than leaving your kids at a table while you get them their lunch, in a location with more security cameras than your average Vegas casino. I know, we live in a world where anything can happen. But we live in a world where we can practically wrap our kids in bubble wrap and wheel them around like Hannibal Lecter so they're always in our site and never off our leash and something bad can still happen, and we have to live in those shades of grey where we try to keep them as safe as possible but let them know we trust them and that, while there might be monsters in this world, it's not nothing but monsters.

You don't say how old your girls are but we have 2 girls and my hubby would just send them into the woman's restroom together and stood outside the door. It has never been an issue either at our local mall/stores and we would not have an issue with them going into a restroom at WDW either. I worry like every other parent but sending a child into the restroom with you waiting outside the door, to me, is not a big deal. I can not stand it when woman bring their older sons into the woman's restroom with them. I have seen boys as old as 8 or 9 in the woman's restroom. This is way too old for someone to be in the opposite sex's bathroom. No one would ever think to bring a girl into the men's restroom at that age. When my girls were that age there was boy their age in the restroom and it made them uncomfortable. (and before anyone starts there was nothing mentally wrong with the kid that they needed to be with their Mommy,and I see this almost every trip), the boys always look very uncomfortable too. I have no idea why any Mom would think this a good idea. Woman change clothes in the restroom and I am sure you would not want your 9yo to walk into the woman's restroom and get a face full of half naked woman. Especially somewhere like WDW where the bathrooms are so busy that it is unlikely a creep would be in the bathroom with all of those Dads, boys should go to the boys bathroom and girls in the girls, or use the family restroom.
 

slappy magoo

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You don't say how old your girls are but we have 2 girls and my hubby would just send them into the woman's restroom together and stood outside the door. It has never been an issue either at our local mall/stores and we would not have an issue with them going into a restroom at WDW either. I worry like every other parent but sending a child into the restroom with you waiting outside the door, to me, is not a big deal. I can not stand it when woman bring their older sons into the woman's restroom with them. I have seen boys as old as 8 or 9 in the woman's restroom. This is way too old for someone to be in the opposite sex's bathroom. No one would ever think to bring a girl into the men's restroom at that age. When my girls were that age there was boy their age in the restroom and it made them uncomfortable. (and before anyone starts there was nothing mentally wrong with the kid that they needed to be with their Mommy,and I see this almost every trip), the boys always look very uncomfortable too. I have no idea why any Mom would think this a good idea. Woman change clothes in the restroom and I am sure you would not want your 9yo to walk into the woman's restroom and get a face full of half naked woman. Especially somewhere like WDW where the bathrooms are so busy that it is unlikely a creep would be in the bathroom with all of those Dads, boys should go to the boys bathroom and girls in the girls, or use the family restroom.
Currently my girls are 7 and 4. My hours are such that I actually don't get to spend a lot of time with them - not that I'm an absentee dad, my hours are just screwy, I often don't get home until they're asleep. And on the weekend, I'd rather take them to a park to play than a store, even if it means making a shopping run at 10pm on a Friday or Saturday night (whee). So it's rare that my taking them to a bathroom is an issue, but if I do take them somewhere without their mom, it's always an issue.
 

RandomPrincess

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You don't say how old your girls are but we have 2 girls and my hubby would just send them into the woman's restroom together and stood outside the door. It has never been an issue either at our local mall/stores and we would not have an issue with them going into a restroom at WDW either. I worry like every other parent but sending a child into the restroom with you waiting outside the door, to me, is not a big deal. I can not stand it when woman bring their older sons into the woman's restroom with them. I have seen boys as old as 8 or 9 in the woman's restroom. This is way too old for someone to be in the opposite sex's bathroom. No one would ever think to bring a girl into the men's restroom at that age. When my girls were that age there was boy their age in the restroom and it made them uncomfortable. (and before anyone starts there was nothing mentally wrong with the kid that they needed to be with their Mommy,and I see this almost every trip), the boys always look very uncomfortable too. I have no idea why any Mom would think this a good idea. Woman change clothes in the restroom and I am sure you would not want your 9yo to walk into the woman's restroom and get a face full of half naked woman. Especially somewhere like WDW where the bathrooms are so busy that it is unlikely a creep would be in the bathroom with all of those Dads, boys should go to the boys bathroom and girls in the girls, or use the family restroom.


You don't know why those kids are in the restroom the could have special needs or a hidden disability. This is and @slappy magoo 's story are reasons why we need unisex or family restrooms provided for people. My daughter is almost 7 and I have started allowing her into bathrooms alone in certain places. My son is 5 and has some behavior issues which he is currently undergoing testing for I can't imagine sending him into a restroom alone as he many get a whim to pull out every paper towel or pump out all the soap. I don't know where he will be in a few years but if he is 7 and still doing this kind of thing he will need to be monitored in the restroom.
 

jaklgreen

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You don't know why those kids are in the restroom the could have special needs or a hidden disability. This is and @slappy magoo 's story are reasons why we need unisex or family restrooms provided for people. My daughter is almost 7 and I have started allowing her into bathrooms alone in certain places. My son is 5 and has some behavior issues which he is currently undergoing testing for I can't imagine sending him into a restroom alone as he many get a whim to pull out every paper towel or pump out all the soap. I don't know where he will be in a few years but if he is 7 and still doing this kind of thing he will need to be monitored in the restroom.

That is what family restrooms are for. They are all over WDW. I have walked into the restroom and woman where changing their clothes, you think it is OK for a boy to see this or have a woman be surprised and be exposed to a young man? There is a reason why we have separate restrooms. And at what age is too old? 8,9,10,12,15? When is it inappropriate? I am not unsympathetic to special needs but I have seen older boys that do not have special needs and are just standing there waiting by the sinks for their Mom to finish looking very uncomfortable. I look at it the same way as letting girls into the boys bathroom. Would you let your 8 year old daughter into the Men's room?
 
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RandomPrincess

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That is what family restrooms are for. They are all over WDW. I have walked into the restroom and woman where changing their clothes, you think it is OK for a boy to see this or have a woman be surprised and be exposed to a young man? There is a reason why we have separate restrooms. And at what age is too old? 8,9,10,12,15? When is it inappropriate? I am not unsympathetic to special needs but I have seen older boys that do not have special needs and are just standing there waiting by the sinks for their Mom to finish looking very uncomfortable. I look it the same way as letting girls into the boys bathroom. Would you let your 8 year old daughter into the Men's room?
Women's rooms have stalls. I have never walked into a ladies restroom and seen a half naked woman standing there.
 

jaklgreen

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Women's rooms have stalls. I have never walked into a ladies restroom and seen a half naked woman standing there.

I have at WDW, there were girls changing their shirt and bra after getting wet on Kali River Rapids. I have no problem with little boys in the woman's restroom but at 8,9,10, these boys are too old. When my girls were that age they said they were uncomfortable with boys their age in the same restroom, stall or no. They do not want to be in the stall next to a boy that can just look under and see them. And don't say that would never happen. At WDW I have no problem sending my kids into the restroom by themselves. I can see if you are at some remote location that is a bit sketchy then I can see maybe taking your boy into the woman's restroom, but someplace like WDW when it is so busy and there are so many parents around, there is no reason for taking a healthy 9 year old boy into the woman's.
 

NelleBelle

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I sympathize with @slappy magoo and his "bathroom" dilemma. If family/unisex bathrooms aren't around or aren't an option, I think asking a CM or even another mom with girls to just keep an eye on your girls while they're in the restroom (not asking them to help them but just making sure they get in/out of the stalls and wash-up). I know if asked I would have no problem making sure that the someone's kids got in/out of the restroom and back outside to their male relative. But soon enough, the girls will be old enough to manage on their own--certainly the oldest one will be able to "supervise" the younger one. I think I started sending my boys to the men's room alone when they were 7 and 5 (the oldest went alone when he was probably 6 and then his brother kept begging to go with his older brother).
 

slappy magoo

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I sympathize with @slappy magoo and his "bathroom" dilemma. If family/unisex bathrooms aren't around or aren't an option, I think asking a CM or even another mom with girls to just keep an eye on your girls while they're in the restroom (not asking them to help them but just making sure they get in/out of the stalls and wash-up). I know if asked I would have no problem making sure that the someone's kids got in/out of the restroom and back outside to their male relative. But soon enough, the girls will be old enough to manage on their own--certainly the oldest one will be able to "supervise" the younger one. I think I started sending my boys to the men's room alone when they were 7 and 5 (the oldest went alone when he was probably 6 and then his brother kept begging to go with his older brother).
I've had the experience of kind-hearted women who assisted my girls, or at last offered. And while I'm appreciative, let's face it - you don't always know if they've got it all going on, either. As stressful as it can be to let your kids in a room where you can't see them, it's also a little disconcerting for a stranger, well-meaning as she might be, saying "don't worry, I'll keep my eye on your child in this public bathroom."
 

Hockey89

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I've had the experience of kind-hearted women who assisted my girls, or at last offered. And while I'm appreciative, let's face it - you don't always know if they've got it all going on, either. As stressful as it can be to let your kids in a room where you can't see them, it's also a little disconcerting for a stranger, well-meaning as she might be, saying "don't worry, I'll keep my eye on your child in this public bathroom."
How many young girls, by themselves, in a Disney women's bathroom been harmed?
 

slappy magoo

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How many young girls, by themselves, in a Disney women's bathroom been harmed?
Well, I was talking about bathrooms in general, not necessarily bathrooms in WDW. I'm sure precious few bathroom injuries ever occur in WDW, let alone children being molested or attempts at kidnappings and all the other usual parent nightmares, but a small part of that lack-of-occurrence is because most parents probably can go in to the bathrooms with their kids, at least of the same gender (if they don't schlep to the family bathrooms in any given park's Child Care Center. Much of it is that most people aren't kidnappers or child molesters, but part of it is the vigilance both of the parents of those children, and other parents and decent people keeping their eye out for weirdness.

But whether or not a child gets hurt isn't the only issue. Some kids can be overwhelmed if a parent is not right there, even if they're right outside a door. When my 7 year old was 4, she was OK going into a bathroom alone, she didn't like going into men's rooms as much as I didn't like her going into men's rooms. My 4 year old is not as comfortable, and it becomes a scene. You don't want to be the dad whose little girl is crying her eyes out and screaming "Daddy Daddy" in a ladies' room, for whatever reason - maybe she puled her pants up too soon and had a little drop of pee slipped out. Or maybe the floor was wet and now she thinks she wet herself (common enough in humid conditions as super cold AC blasts on bathroom tile). Maybe she can't reach the sink (not so common at WDW but common enough in restaurants and shopping centers around our neck of the woods). They're little, they're vulnerable and surrounded by strangers. Maybe those strangers aren't Satanist bikers in the market for a child sacrifice, but if they're boisterous, or yelling at their own kids, yelling at someone on the phone, not on their best behavior, it can freak a kid out. As much as you want them to suck it up and learn how to do things for themselves, you also don't want any bathroom experience to be a traumatic one. And then on top of all that, in the back of your head, is that admittedly paranoid concern that the one time a child manages to be abducted or murdered in one of the most heavily monitored locations in the world, it'll be yours because you figured they can use the bathroom alone what could happen? You balance what you know they can handle, what you think they can handle, and the circumstances of any given moment, and then you takes your chances. With your kid's well being.
 

NelleBelle

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I think you have to do what you and especially your kids are comfortable with. As you said, your oldest daughter was fine going off on her own and it was no big deal, whereas your youngest isn't quite ready to be off with her big sister yet. I'm sure when she's a little older, both you and she will know when it's right. :) I know that if I tried to keep my youngest with me, it would've caused a bigger scene taking him with me because he felt he was "old" enough to do what his big brother was doing. I learned fast that post-potty hand hygiene wasn't always as thorough as I would've like had I been present to supervise, so I made sure to always have Wet Wipes or hand sanitizer to make sure that I could catch those little germy hands on the way out of the restrooms :hungover:
 

ARO

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I must say this is an interesting thread. My husband and I have spotted toddlers/preschools a few times wandering malls, amusement parks, etc. and have alerted security. What really drives us crazy though is the parents whom are still shopping etc. and are completely oblivious or act like its no big deal that their child was missing for five or so min. I completely understand Slappys bathroom concern, as I am a mom with two boys and often have a similar problem when dad is not around. Family bathrooms are great when avail. Then there's the whole issue if I need to use the restroom. Not so cut and dry.
 

BigRedDad

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People get complacent at WDW. People think that it is Disney that everyone is safe. Sorry people, you have to assume everyone is a kidnapper or criminal first. They just had the 8yo girl snatched and murdered from a department store. Disney is no different. I could imagine one of those kids falling off the chair and the lady blaming Disney for it.
 

FigmentsFangirl

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My parents started making me and my sister "save" our table like this at the ages of 7 (me) and 9 (sister). My parents had a "password." They told us to never go anywhere with a stranger... We would have to ask the stranger "what's the password?" and he would have to say "boogie..." Otherwise, we would scream cry and yell for help. :)

That never happened though.

Smart parents for sure. Very smart parents! Shame I'd have loved to actually have a guy not know the password and you panic and help comes running
 

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