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[GoneViral]

I don't see how you can state this. You have no data to back your points any more than anyone else does.

Data: Disney's Park revenue more than doubled this quarter from the same time in 2021. It was also more than $1.1 billion more than the same quarter in 2020. That amount surpasses the losses felt by the pandemic. It's also nearly identical to the fourth quarter of 2019 (6.652 vs. 6.655). That's with multiple international parks closing for portions of the quarter in 2022, the equivalent of having a hand tied behind your back.
Combine that with reports from Thrill-Data, TouringPlans, and Disney Touring Blog, all of which have suggested heightened attendance. Disney had record-setting crowds in January of 2022 and then picked up right where it left off after the pandemic waned in scope.

Here's an applicable quote from DTB: "
"Thus far, it has been a busy year at Walt Disney World. January was elevated significantly as compared to last year and February was the busiest month in the last two years–before being barely edged out by March. Those two months had average wait times of 45 and 46 minutes, respectively.

Thus far, April 2022 has been identical to February. The two months are tied for the #2 month in the last two-plus years with an average daily wait time across all rides at Walt Disney World of 45 minutes."

So, there's the data supporting what I'm saying.

How can you explain factually millions of people's decision making process any more than @Goofyernmost can?

The same way I can explain their decision making process before the pandemic...by pointing out they're at Disney. You're asking for data points, which means I cannot argue against your assertion that people have unused tickets. However, you have no data to support that, either. In fact, Disney offered plentiful refunds during 2020 to guests who couldn't go.

I don't want to lead your answer here so I'll ask you to estimate what percentage of people you believe are at Disney right now have only gone because they had paid for tickets in advance and wanted to use them.

I'm of the opinion that it's a number under 5%. The rest simply wanted to be at Disney, just like they always do. If you disagree, that's entirely your choice. I personally don't see it.

Please don't take this response as talking down or 'splainin. Your post just suggests you don't know the term. If you do, my apologies.

Based on other comments I've made in the thread, it's readily apparent I understand what the argument of "revenge spending" implies. It's just something I deem a poor description for the return of status quo. And it wouldn't apply for a place that's already maximizing attendance like Disney, as I indicated with the Denver Broncos analogy.

 

[Oddysey]

I quit posting simply because (as stated many times before) after 17 years as AP holders, my family and I did not renew because we no longer feel Disney is a good value. Thankfully money is not an issue, and we only live 30 minutes away, but despite this we still do not feel the current product is worth investing in. That said again, the previous two sentences are about the only thing I feel I can contribute to the forums right now and seeing me post the same thing would get a bit redundant.

I check in from time to time just to see what is happening, but have found that I am no longer interested in much of anything happening in the parks so I come here less frequently. Also, I often see the “I am only going to make one more trip” or “I may not go again post,” and feel like asking the poster why they are going at all if they are unhappy with the product. I have trouble understanding the “may not go again post” because for me, if I don’t like something anymore I stop doing it and in the case of WDW I have stopped giving them my money.

I generally restrain myself from asking the above question of the aforementioned posters because it can come off as belittling and it doesn’t seem fair to those here who still enjoy WDW for me to continually introduce negativity into each thread. Not to mention the “more room for me at the parks” or the “you not choosing to go anymore isn’t going to change anything because others will replace you” posts that generally follow when write about no longer visiting WDW. Perhaps they are correct, but the only way I know to even hope to affect change is to vote with my wallet.

WDW was my happy place for nearly 40 years and it just isn’t anymore. As such, there just isn’t much for me to contribute to this forum anymore. Nothing constructive or positive anyway, and that is not fair to the forum members whom are trying to get excited for their next trip or want to discuss things that are new and exciting to them. Members who still enjoy WDW still have a right to enjoy without me bringing them down in every thread.

 

[mysto]

If I agree with someone I can quietly like their post.
If I disagree I cannot quietly dislike the post, I am forced to post a negative comment or be silent.

IMO the asymmetry of the like/report scheme used by this forum software actually causes more negative posts than a like/dislike scheme or an anonymous karma scheme would. I guess like/report is supposed to encourage positivity but backfires in a subtle way.

Look at the lengthy "I never said" "no one wants to hear" argument above, Imagine if that were just a dislike vote instead. If even half of those petty arguments could be converted into quick downvotes the topics would drift closer to Disney and further from "what I said".

It only takes a couple of those exchanges to drive someone away, a dislike is actually gentler. I know the point of the thread is there is less posting because of Chapek, but there can be other reasons too, such as fear of being corrected.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

If I agree with someone I can quietly like their post.
If I disagree I cannot quietly dislike the post, I am forced to post a negative comment or be silent.

IMO the asymmetry of the like/report scheme used by this forum software actually causes more negative posts than a like/dislike scheme or an anonymous karma scheme would. I guess like/report is supposed to encourage positivity but backfires in a subtle way.

Look at the lengthy "I never said" "no one wants to hear" argument above, Imagine if that were just a dislike vote instead. If even half of those petty arguments could be converted into quick downvotes the topics would drift closer to Disney and further from "what I said".

It only takes a couple of those exchanges to drive someone away, a dislike is actually gentler. I know the point of the thread is there is less posting because of Chapek, but there can be other reasons too, such as fear of being corrected.

You can always use the angry reaction to show your displeasure.

 

[Jrb1979]

If I agree with someone I can quietly like their post.
If I disagree I cannot quietly dislike the post, I am forced to post a negative comment or be silent.

IMO the asymmetry of the like/report scheme used by this forum software actually causes more negative posts than a like/dislike scheme or an anonymous karma scheme would. I guess like/report is supposed to encourage positivity but backfires in a subtle way.

Look at the lengthy "I never said" "no one wants to hear" argument above, Imagine if that were just a dislike vote instead. If even half of those petty arguments could be converted into quick downvotes the topics would drift closer to Disney and further from "what I said".

It only takes a couple of those exchanges to drive someone away, a dislike is actually gentler. I know the point of the thread is there is less posting because of Chapek, but there can be other reasons too, such as fear of being corrected.

Agreed. A lot of that started to happen after Covid started.

 

[SteveAZee]

A simple 'disagree' emoji would be nice.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

Agreed. A lot of that started to happen after Covid started.

I would say it was before then when the politics forum was created . There was a lot of ill feeling all around that hasn't fully disappeared.

 

[Jrb1979]

I would say it was before then when the politics forum was created . There was a lot of ill feeling all around that hasn't fully disappeared.

Yeah. The Covid thread pushed it more into every thread here.

 

[SaucyBoy]

If I agree with someone I can quietly like their post.
If I disagree I cannot quietly dislike the post, I am forced to post a negative comment or be silent.

IMO the asymmetry of the like/report scheme used by this forum software actually causes more negative posts than a like/dislike scheme or an anonymous karma scheme would. I guess like/report is supposed to encourage positivity but backfires in a subtle way.

Look at the lengthy "I never said" "no one wants to hear" argument above, Imagine if that were just a dislike vote instead. If even half of those petty arguments could be converted into quick downvotes the topics would drift closer to Disney and further from "what I said".

It only takes a couple of those exchanges to drive someone away, a dislike is actually gentler. I know the point of the thread is there is less posting because of Chapek, but there can be other reasons too, such as fear of being corrected.

You can always use the angry reaction to show your displeasure.

A simple 'disagree' emoji would be nice.

Another forum I used to frequent had different emojis for various levels of agreement. Unfortunately, they ran into the same problem that seems to happen here, people abusing the various dislike emojis as a way to "troll" instead of to show engagement. I don't think there are any easy solutions.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Another forum I used to frequent had different emojis for various levels of agreement. Unfortunately, they ran into the same problem that seems to happen here, people abusing the various dislike emojis as a way to "troll" instead of to show engagement. I don't think there are any easy solutions.

Yeah, I think you just have to look at the way some have used the laugh emoji to basically mock and troll.

Honestly, if you slightly disagree with a point raised I feel you can either ignore it or raise a polite counter point. Even just liking the posts you agree with on a thread gives a sense of your opinion without having to directly engage with those posts with which you don't agree.

Personally, I think the trick to maintaining sanity on social media and online more generally is to free yourself of the instinct to respond to every post with which you disagree, even if at times you strongly disagree. The question I always ask myself is "what am I achieving here?" If I am not going to enjoy the interaction on any level, I won't fool myself that I will be changing any minds by responding.

 

[SaucyBoy]

Yeah, I think you just have to look at the way some have used the laugh emoji to basically mock and troll.

Honestly, if you slightly disagree with a point raised I feel you can either ignore it or raise a polite counter point. Even just liking the posts you agree with on a thread gives a sense of your opinion without having to directly engage with those posts with which you don't agree.

Personally, I think the trick to maintaining sanity on social media and online more generally is to free yourself of the instinct to respond to every post with which you disagree, even if at times you strongly disagree. The question I always ask myself is "what am I achieving here?" If I am not going to enjoy the interaction on any level, I won't fool myself that I will be changing any minds by responding.

Great points! I am someone who has the flaw of always wanting to have the last word So the last two years, especially on social media, I've had to learn to just let things roll.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Revenge spending isn't even a thing. Disney's attendance was at record levels in January of 2020 before the pandemic. There's a simple point here. People want to go to Disney. They don't care about the things that you're describing as dealbreakers. That's why there's just no data out there to support any of your conclusions.

The primary thing that could cause Disney attendance to decline right now is a recession. Otherwise, the parks will continue to increase in revenue because customers perceive them as terrific value. If you don't, that's your right, but the new paradigm at Disney is working fine for the average consumer. The Disney Genie+ sales alone are proof-positive of that.

What you're doing right now is confusing your own feelings as something that most people deem a consensus. Those lines at Cosmic Rewind tomorrow will tell the story here, and they won't support your beliefs.

I didn't invent the phrase "revenge spending" I just used it because everyone else has been. The actual wording should be Cabin Fever spending. It means pretty much the same thing for those that understand it. Because the people using social media invented the wording to describe people desperate to get out in the world again makes it a real thing! Just so I don't offend you any further I changed my original post to read "cabin fever".

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Great points! I am someone who has the flaw of always wanting to have the last word So the last two years, especially on social media, I've had to learn to just let things roll.

I’ve had to learn the same, I’ll reply a couple times if I feel it furthers the discussion but I rarely go beyond that, if we still disagree after a rebuttal post or two I figure neither of us are changing our opinion so there’s no benefit to carrying on.

 

[GoneViral]

Just so I don't offend you any further I changed my original post to read "cabin fever".

Literally zero offense taken in this entire thread. We're all just talking Disney, aka business as usual here.

I find that term insipid and have said as much, but I fully recognize that some people are going to use it since some media headlines do. The point remains that a place that was already near max desired attendance doesn't need any help to maintain max desired attendance. "Revenge spending" won't sell more tickets to a Paul McCartney concert. Paul Mccartney will.

 

[Jrb1979]

Literally zero offense taken in this entire thread. We're all just talking Disney, aka business as usual here.

I find that term insipid and have said as much, but I fully recognize that some people are going to use it since some media headlines do. The point remains that a place that was already near max desired attendance doesn't need any help to maintain max desired attendance. "Revenge spending" won't sell more tickets to a Paul McCartney concert. Paul Mccartney will.

I understand what you are saying. I disagree on it being a small percentage of guests that are making up for cancelled trips. I think it's a lot higher then you think. I say that cause there is still pent up demand from international guests. Being Canadian I see a lot of posts from people who have missed out on vacations due to Covid.

I have seen a lot more negativity towards Disney then before Covid. Yes prices have gone up everywhere but cuts and upcharges that Disney is doing is different thing altogether

 

[GoneViral]

I understand what you are saying. I disagree on it being a small percentage of guests that are making up for cancelled trips. I think it's a lot higher then you think. I say that cause there is still pent up demand from international guests. Being Canadian I see a lot of posts from people who have missed out on vacations due to Covid.

I have seen a lot more negativity towards Disney then before Covid. Yes prices have gone up everywhere but cuts and upcharges that Disney is doing is different thing altogether

This is a good example of one person seeing a glass as half-full and the other as half-empty. I almost mentioned international travel in an earlier reply, as Disney has previously indicated that 20% of guests are from other countries. It hasn't even scratched the surface of having those people back yet. What we're witnessing instead is solely the demand from North American guests. When international travel returns to normal, Disney will face more demand than it knows what to do with. It's why I'm recommending to friends and family members that they should book Park Passes way early, even if they're unsure about their travel. They can always cancel later, but I'm not expecting that availability down the line. As long as the economy remains stable, I expect Disney to maintain its current pace indefinitely, possibly into 2024.

 

[Jrb1979]

This is a good example of one person seeing a glass as half-full and the other as half-empty. I almost mentioned international travel in an earlier reply, as Disney has previously indicated that 20% of guests are from other countries. It hasn't even scratched the surface of having those people back yet. What we're witnessing instead is solely the demand from North American guests. When international travel returns to normal, Disney will face more demand than it knows what to do with. It's why I'm recommending to friends and family members that they should book Park Passes way early, even if they're unsure about their travel. They can always cancel later, but I'm not expecting that availability down the line. As long as the economy remains stable, I expect Disney to maintain its current pace indefinitely, possibly into 2024.

So I'm guessing you think all this negative feedback is no different than what has always happened. It may be anecdotal but I have never seen this many posts from Disney loyalists asking about tips for Universal.

 

[Lilofan]

This is a good example of one person seeing a glass as half-full and the other as half-empty. I almost mentioned international travel in an earlier reply, as Disney has previously indicated that 20% of guests are from other countries. It hasn't even scratched the surface of having those people back yet. What we're witnessing instead is solely the demand from North American guests. When international travel returns to normal, Disney will face more demand than it knows what to do with. It's why I'm recommending to friends and family members that they should book Park Passes way early, even if they're unsure about their travel. They can always cancel later, but I'm not expecting that availability down the line. As long as the economy remains stable, I expect Disney to maintain its current pace indefinitely, possibly into 2024.

That's right . Disney will be overwhelmed when int'l travel comes back in force. The Brazilian tour groups were so dominant one year we went in summer of 2000. In the late afternoon one day at DHS , Indiana Jones Stunt Show had the last two shows performing in Portuguese and most of the crowd were in their yellow tour group shirts from Brazil. It was interesting to walk by Echo Lake hearing the show in the Brazilian language.

 

[GoneViral]

So I'm guessing you think all this negative feedback is no different than what has always happened. It may be anecdotal but I have never seen this many posts from Disney loyalists asking about tips for Universal.

Correct. As I said, I think it's cyclical and nowhere near as hostile as the Disney civil war when Roy Disney went after Disney.

But people should try to spend a day or two at Universal during vacation. It's spectacular. You can stay at Hard Rock and get that express pass for everything.

 

[Jrb1979]

Correct. As I said, I think it's cyclical and nowhere near as hostile as the Disney civil war when Roy Disney went after Disney.

But people should try to spend a day or two at Universal during vacation. It's spectacular. You can stay at Hard Rock and get that express pass for everything.

I don't know. I have been on this site and another Disney site since we'll before Covid and the negativity is a lot higher then I have ever seen it. I think people are upset with all the cuts and nickel and diming going on. Genie+ has been a disaster.