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Plan C for Pleasure Island
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wdw71fan
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I'm flattered.. it looks as though the SavePI blog is eading my posts here and then translating them into news...
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4885346&postcount=50
Nice... There goes their reputation in my eyes.... Not saying that my information isn't accurate, but all they do is bottle-up and serve-up information from forum posts by random people? Yeah, no inside info at all.. Just forum hawking... Who do they think they are, the Orlando Sentinel?
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4885346&postcount=50
Nice... There goes their reputation in my eyes.... Not saying that my information isn't accurate, but all they do is bottle-up and serve-up information from forum posts by random people? Yeah, no inside info at all.. Just forum hawking... Who do they think they are, the Orlando Sentinel?
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
I'm flattered.. it looks as though the SavePI blog is eading my posts here and then translating them into news...
Nice...
self-made insider right here folks!
:lol:
jt04
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So the idea seems to be that they will turn PI into a mini version of the FQ? Uh-huh. SPI wishful thinking it appears to me. And until Steve confirms HW is canceled I will have my doubts. A reimagining including a possible name change seems possible at this point. But it won't be radically different IMO.
What everyone so convienently forgets is that amongst other factors, TWDC does not want DTD to be competition for the parks. It can't be so compelling that it drives guests from the parks in large numbers to DTD. And it has to be in keeping with the Disney 'brand' whether anyone here likes it or not. It is obvious that is a major consideration. It is a very fine line they have to walk but I have a feeling the creative types are up to the challange.
What everyone so convienently forgets is that amongst other factors, TWDC does not want DTD to be competition for the parks. It can't be so compelling that it drives guests from the parks in large numbers to DTD. And it has to be in keeping with the Disney 'brand' whether anyone here likes it or not. It is obvious that is a major consideration. It is a very fine line they have to walk but I have a feeling the creative types are up to the challange.
dcibrando
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what about a large boardwalk area out into the water with a few smaller amusement park rides as well (like seaside heights) along with eateries, small shops, etc.
what is the big deal with a boardwalk similar to the boardwalk at the resort.... it's like saying they can't have a Rainforest Cafe because they have one in Animal Kingdom or a gift shop because they are in the parks, etc.
what is the big deal with a boardwalk similar to the boardwalk at the resort.... it's like saying they can't have a Rainforest Cafe because they have one in Animal Kingdom or a gift shop because they are in the parks, etc.
SMS55
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Debauchery. New Orleans is definitely an adult city, so it can be done, if done correctly. I've been to P.I and it usually wasn't that bad. The only nights I saw it bad was the two nights a week that cast members got in free. Then it was like being at a club that appealed to college students.
If P.I. would have taken away the trendy music it might have scared off the younger crowds.
devoy1701
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Optimistic to the end!
I disagree with your ideas of DTD though. It most definitely can be and should be a very compelling destination. It's never going to take attendence away from the parks, but it serves the purpose of filling half days and evenings of those staying on property, as well as those people who have absolutely no plans of visiting the parks but want to get a Disney Experience, and for locals to have another place to visit for nights/weekends. The more "compelling" they make DTD the greater the revenue stream they will bring in from those latter two catagories.
wdw71fan
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you won't have to wait much longer for confirmation, and from Disney, not Steve (no offense)... As far as the FQ thing... God I hope not, and I haven't heard anything of the sort.. but, that doesn't mean it's not possible..
ChrisM
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Are there actually strippers clawing at you to come into their room at Mardi Gras?
If so, why have I never made it down to Mardi Gras?
lebeau
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I'm flattered.. it looks as though the SavePI blog is eading my posts here and then translating them into news...
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4885346&postcount=50
Nice... There goes their reputation in my eyes.... Not saying that my information isn't accurate, but all they do is bottle-up and serve-up information from forum posts by random people? Yeah, no inside info at all.. Just forum hawking... Who do they think they are, the Orlando Sentinel?
Or maybe, if you actually had inside info, they got the same info from another source. If your intel was good, is it not possible more than one person knows of the plans? :shrug:
jt04
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Optimistic to the end!
Yes, and this is not "the end" but just the begining (being an optimist and all
I disagree with your ideas of DTD though. It most definitely can be and should be a very compelling destination. It's never going to take attendence away from the parks, but it serves the purpose of filling half days and evenings of those staying on property, as well as those people who have absolutely no plans of visiting the parks but want to get a Disney Experience, and for locals to have another place to visit for nights/weekends. The more "compelling" they make DTD the greater the revenue stream they will bring in from those latter two catagories.
I have to think that Disney would prefer any and all "revenus streams" to flow inside the parks and resorts and at DTD secondarily. DTD has an important role on property but it seems to me that the parks are much more importatnt as revenue generators. So I guess we have to agree to disagree here. And I am a huge fan of DTD.
juniorthomas
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Buuuuurn.
juniorthomas
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I support this decision.
Jessnwonderland
Member
Hmmm... Here's a concept! How about the theme be DISNEY?? I mean it is Downtown Disney and chances are the millions of people at Disney World are all big Disney fans, right??? I personally loved having all the Disney themed shops and hate to see them go. Especially for stores and vendors that I can shop at in the malls at home in Louisville, KY! If they want to have a mall then the least they could do is add some more unique shops. :brick:
Cmdr_Crimson
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And yet you can get completely hammered in Epcot and have same said incidents...Where's the logic in this..:brick:
wdw71fan
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it's more fun to believe it's a conspiracy... :king:
I've said this for quite a while now. Totally fine if they have three separate names to help identify different areas, but they should all be similarly themed and one congruent area.
The main complaint of PI was that it was like a roadblock for guest moving from the Marketplace to the West Side (even after the ticket booths were removed), so logic would indicate the new theme shouldn't repeat the same mistakes.
If they really want DTD to be a success, they need the same types of offerings throughout, with different anchors to keep guest traveling throughout the entire area. The West Side has HoB, LaNouba, AMC, Vinylmation and Splitsville; Marketplace has WoD and Lego; the center area could have a new AC restaurant, event stage and the water sports restaurant that has been rumored. Add a couple of unique Disney shops to the former PI as well and you have a very appealing shopping district.
I saw that on SPI yesterday, and can only think he got the info from this board. He's normally a great wealth of info, but this time it sounds like he's just repeating what others have said here.
I don't see Disney making this kind of announcement at the shareholders meeting. It simply isn't important enough for investors to get excited about. If anything, it would highlight their incompetence over the past few years with DTD – not something I'd think they'd want to bring attention to in a room with a bunch of shareholders.
On a side note, the New Orleans concept makes me gag. This is Disney. Use your imagination and come up with something unique. A New Orleans theme is nothing but a copout. Besides, Universal already does their own Mardi Gras. Why copy what the competitors are already doing?
s8film40
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The theme is kind of irrelevant to the situation. If they had had third party vendors already lined up Hyperion Wharf would have already been built. The problem is they couldn't find any vendors willing to invest in a Dinsey disaster so they finally brought out all the Hyperion Wharf concepts and drawings as a last ditch effort to draw in some vendors. Now a year later they find that it didn't work. Now with the idea of Hyperion Wharf associated with failure it is doing more harm than good, so it's about time to renew the theme so it seems fresh and appealing to new vendors. The problem with this of course is vendors don't really care about the theme, they care about what attractors there are to drive business. There are no clubs, no entertainment, nothing but just a row of empty retail space. That's the worst scenario possible if your looking to rent retail space. Instead a vendor is much more interested in the marketplace or west side where things are active. This will likely go on for a while, we will probably see several different themes as Disney desperately tries to fill the space, eventually someone will see a possibility and Disney will likely theme it to whatever large business finally rents some space.
Agreed 100%. All the more reason Disney needs to suck it up and do something to create an anchor in the area (whether it's re-opening AC as a restaurant or re-opening a couple of the clubs). Give third party businesses a reason to be there and then slowly close the Disney owned businesses as demand for the property increases.