Pixar Pals Parking Structure Specifics/Updates

[180º]

At this point, they really should just rename it the WDWMagic Forums Disneyland section parking structure.

Let’s name the levels!

1. Hot Dog
2. Titanic
3. Br’er Bear’s Butt
4. Twitter Stalker
5. Bing Bong
6. Tapas & Tipples

 

[mickEblu]

Let’s name the levels!

1. Hot Dog
2. Titanic
3. Br’er Bear’s Butt
4. Planter
5. Bing Bong
6. Tapas & Tipples

Lol. Love it. Just made one change.

 

[DanielBB8]

This is something I have been talking about since the Eastern Gateway was announced.

From the staff report.

>>City staff and Walt Disney Parks and Resorts U.S., Inc. (“Disney” or “property owner”) concur that constructing a pedestrian bridge over Magic Way would provide for safer pedestrian travel to and from the new parking structure currently under construction at 1351 Disneyland Drive. In addition, Disney and the City concur that a pedestrian bridge would improve traffic circulation in the vicinity and minimize the need for other potential future traffic and circulation improvements in the public right-of-way. The Encroachment Agreement would allow the property owner to encroach within the City’s landscape right-of-way adjacent to and over Magic Way, and would require Disney to construct and maintain the pedestrian bridge at the property owner’s sole expense. The Agreement also requires that Disney indemnify the City for claims arising from the pedestrian bridge. City staff considers the pedestrian bridge to be an important improvement for the public’s safety and benefit. It is therefore recommended that City Council approve the Encroachment Agreement and authorize the Mayor to sign the Agreement after it has been signed by the property owner. <<

The city WANTS these type of bridges throughout the Resort Area.

And if they can get the Pedestrians off the street and using bridges instead, it would greatly improve traffic on Harbor and Katella.

The city staff is ready if Disney resubmits the Eastern Gateway Project next year.

I never thought Disney will open their pocketbooks and finally add a pedestrian bridge. It’s about time.

The bonus is the city will approve it without further demands.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Now the cut-out (that space everyone keeps saying is the tram pass thru) in the escalator tower makes sense. It's for the stairs and the pedestrian bridge over Magic Way.

well they really don't need another set of escalators. Guest can just use the same escalators that lead them up to the different levels of the structure. I'm guessing the bridge will have a direct access to the second or third floor.

 

[180º]

Lol. Love it. Just made one change.

I seriously had written that and then I deleted it. I guess this just means we need a taller parking structure.

 

[Disney Irish]

well they really don't need another set of escalators. Guest can just use the same escalators that lead them up to the different levels of the structure. I'm guessing the bridge will have a direct access to the second or third floor.

So you expect guests who park at the far end of the Cleo lot to walk all the way over to the M&F escalators? I don't think there is any reason to think that the Cleo "tower" wouldn't have escalators, I think its pretty much a done deal. So I'm not sure what you are saying.

What I was saying is that to the right of the escalators will be the staircase and the pedestrian bridge over Magic Way. That will be what the cutout is used for, not the tram path.

For those that like visuals:

Based on the permits and what we now know. The Red box should be where the staircase is located. You can actually see the staircase in a similar spot in one of the released concept art.

The orange arrow is where on the backside (Magic Way side) I think the pedestrian bridge will go.

The green arrow is to show the indentation in the "tower". If the cutout area at the bottom of the red box really was just for a tram path why would they need that indentation in the structure? They would have built each floor to the edge. Also why hasn't the floors in this section in the red box not been closed off with walls. They would have closed off each floor with a wall if it was just for a tram path.

So with all this I'm of the opinion that this area will be for the staircase.

 

[Ismael Flores]

So you expect guests who park at the far end of the Cleo lot to walk all the way over to the M&F escalators? I don't think there is any reason to think that the Cleo "tower" wouldn't have escalators, I think its pretty much a done deal. So I'm not sure what you are saying.

What I was saying is that to the right of the escalators will be the staircase and the pedestrian bridge over Magic Way. That will be what the cutout is used for, not the tram path.

For those that like visuals:View attachment 319100

Based on the permits and what we now know. The Red box should be where the staircase is located. You can actually see the staircase in a similar spot in one of the released concept art.

The orange arrow is where on the backside (Magic Way side) I think the pedestrian bridge will go.

The green arrow is to show the indentation in the "tower". If the cutout area at the bottom of the red box really was just for a tram path why would they need that indentation in the structure? They would have built each floor to the edge. Also why hasn't the floors in this section in the red box not been closed off with walls. They would have closed off each floor with a wall if it was just for a tram path.

So with all this I'm of the opinion that this area will be for the staircase.

Didn't say that Cleo wouldn't or shouldn't have escalators, I was referring to your comment in regards to the idea that a staircase leading up to the bridge would be located in that opening.

Why the need for a staircase when there would be a brand new set of escalators a few feet east of that location. The escalators clearly visible in the artwork lead to almost every floor in the structure including to the floor that will have the bridge.

Seems that the more logical thing is that guests already parked on the Cleo structure will just go down or up to the second or third floor to access the bridge and cross. Guests that are parked in Mickey and Friends structure that want to walk to the parks can easily just use the new set of escalators. A whole new set of staircase for just the bridge is redundant and makes little sense construction wise.

the three escalators circled in red, i would imagine that the bridge would be on the second floor which would mean that guests would just use the smallest escalator on the far left.

Of course without a clear view of the area in the artwork anything is possible, i just don't see why they would go thru the trouble of adding another set of stairs/escalators in that opening.

 

[Rich T]

Someday, Disney will just send big Dumbo drones to grab folks off their front porches or hotel roofs and carry them by their shoulders over the roadways, with an aim to plunk them down in the esplanade. Along the way, the Dumbos will electronically check each person's total available credit. If the guest isn't a potential big-spender, the drone will just drop him/her (with a nonchalant flip) in the nearest DTD treetop.

Managers will refer to it as "The Morning Sort."

 

[Disney Irish]

Didn't say that Cleo wouldn't or shouldn't have escalators, I was referring to your comment in regards to the idea that a staircase leading up to the bridge would be located in that opening.

Why the need for a staircase when there would be a brand new set of escalators a few feet east of that location. The escalators clearly visible in the artwork lead to almost every floor in the structure including to the floor that will have the bridge.

Seems that the more logical thing is that guests already parked on the Cleo structure will just go down or up to the second or third floor to access the bridge and cross. Guests that are parked in Mickey and Friends structure that want to walk to the parks can easily just use the new set of escalators. A whole new set of staircase for just the bridge is redundant and makes little sense construction wise.

the three escalators circled in red, i would imagine that the bridge would be on the second floor which would mean that guests would just use the smallest escalator on the far left.

Of course without a clear view of the area in the artwork anything is possible, i just don't see why they would go thru the trouble of adding another set of stairs/escalators in that opening.

View attachment 319228

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

The staircase and the bridge are two different things. The staircase isn't just for the bridge, its for the whole Cleo parking structure. This is just like M&F has its stairs as well. All parking structures needs a staircase, usually several. I've just outlined where I think the staircase will be. And then in the same post I outlined where the bridge would be. So maybe you confused what I meant.

This concept art shows the staircase highlighted with the red arrow.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

This concept art shows the same stairs from the other concept art, just enclosed in a semi-transparent...thing.

 

[Disney Irish]

View attachment 319233

This concept art shows the same stairs from the other concept art, just enclosed in a semi-transparent...thing.

I'm not sure what you point is, so you're saying that is the only staircase?

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I'm not sure what you point is, so you're saying that is the only staircase?

Lol, yeah I'm saying those are the ONLY stairs...

My "point" is that the same stairs (from the concept art you posted) could easily be those seen in the wider concept art, just now shown behind a transparent shield, and NOT where the "tunnel" is.

 

[Disney Irish]

Lol, yeah I'm saying those are the ONLY stairs...

My "point" is that the same stairs (from the concept art you posted) could easily be those seen in the wider concept art, just now shown behind a transparent shield, and NOT where the "tunnel" is.

Could be, my post was just my opinion not saying its a for sure thing. In my opinion its looking less and less likely that the "tunnel" is going to be used for the tram route.

In my opinion it will be used for a set of stairs on the one side next to the escalators, and then the bridge over Magic Way on the other side.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Could be, my post was just my opinion not saying its a for sure thing. In my opinion its looking less and less likely that the "tunnel" is going to be used for the tram route.

In my opinion it will be used for a set of stairs on the one side next to the escalators, and then the bridge over Magic Way on the other side.

And in my opinion, even if the Magic Way bridge meets the escalator tower at the 3rd level, you can still have the lower opening for a tram tunnel. M&F doesn't have their stairs directly next to the escalators. Also, if that area was meant for stairs, I fail to understand why they would have just left the dirt there rather than creating a foundation.

But hey, this is just our opinions.

 

[Disney Irish]

And in my opinion, even if the Magic Way bridge meets the escalator tower at the 3rd level, you can still have the lower opening for a tram tunnel. M&F doesn't have their stairs directly next to the escalators. Also, if that area was meant for stairs, I fail to understand why they would have just left the dirt there rather than creating a foundation.

But hey, this is just our opinions.

True this is all just opinion right now. And I'm not sure why it was left as dirt. Since its not structurally needed for stairs I assume they didn't need to add foundation right there. Its easy to add concrete (or tar for that matter) for a walkway to that area later.

Here are some questions I have about if it was a tram path I posted above:

The green arrow is to show the indentation in the "tower". If the cutout area at the bottom of the red box really was just for a tram path why would they need that indentation in the structure? They would have built each floor to the edge. Also why hasn't the floors in this section in the red box not been closed off with walls. They would have closed off each floor with a wall if it was just for a tram path.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

True this is all just opinion right now. And I'm not sure why it was left as dirt. Since its not structurally needed for stairs I assume they didn't need to add foundation right there. Its easy to add concrete (or tar for that matter) for a walkway to that area later.

Here are some questions I have about if it was a tram path I posted above:

The "indentation" could easily be a design choice. Also, and I know you disagree with this already, but I still think that where your green arrow touches is the place where the elevators will go.

As for the walls, they only need to close off the bottom with walls. Which can be as easily done as adding a foundation to that area.

 

[Disney Irish]

The "indentation" could easily be a design choice. Also, and I know you disagree with this already, but I still think that where your green arrow touches is the place where the elevators will go.

As for the walls, they only need to close off the bottom with walls. Which can be as easily done as adding a foundation to that area.

It could be a design choice, but I doubt it. Also I'm open to the idea that the elevators will go in the area you mention.

What do you mean they only need to close off the bottom with walls? Each floor that guests will be walking on them will need concrete walls. Right now each floor is open with no wall.

Here is a picture to show you what I mean:

Light blue arrows shows the floors where there should be a concrete wall as guests will be walking there. But there is no wall built, just the supports holding up the floor and a wood wall for construction worker fall protection. But if you look to where I have put the yellow they've already built the exterior concrete walls where the escalators will be going.

Adding an exterior wall afterward would be silly as exterior walls should be part of the structure.

So this leads me to believe something else is going here which doesn't require walls for guest safety, like the staircase or even elevators (though I'm still open to your suggestion of them being to the right of that).

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

It could be a design choice, but I doubt it. Also I'm open to the idea that the elevators will go in the area you mention.

What do you mean they only need to close off the bottom with walls? Each floor that guests will be walking on them will need concrete walls. Right now each floor is open with no wall.

Here is a picture to show you what I mean:

View attachment 319253

Light blue arrows shows the floors where there should be a concrete wall as guests will be walking there. But there is no wall built, just the supports holding up the floor and a wood wall for construction worker fall protection. But if you look to where I have put the yellow they've already built the exterior concrete walls where the escalators will be going.

Adding an exterior wall afterward would be silly as exterior walls should be part of the structure.

So this leads me to believe something else is going here which doesn't require walls for guest safety, like the staircase or even elevators (though I'm still open to your suggestion of them being to the right of that).

How do you know its just a wood wall to keep workers from falling and not a mold for an eventual concrete wall?

Also, using your "red rectangle = staircase" scenario, how is a person coming from the 4th floor supposed to access those stairs?? There's no floor for them to step out onto.

 

[Disney Irish]

How do you know its just a wood wall to keep workers from falling and not a mold for an eventual concrete wall?

Also, using your "red rectangle = staircase" scenario, how is a person coming from the 4th floor supposed to access those stairs?? There's no floor for them to step out onto.

I don't know for sure, but all construction I've seen so far on this project has shown that a wall would be built at the same time as the floor itself. You don't typically see exterior concrete walls added afterwards on construction projects like this. Also for structural support of the wall itself it would make more sense for the wall to be built as part of the structure than to be added afterwards.

I don't have all the answers, just as you don't. At this point there is no proof either way of staircase, elevators, or even the tram path going in that area with the gap, its all just guesses and opinions. So we're both making assumptions without very much data. But I think we are only a month or so away from find out the answer.

 

[Ismael Flores]

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

The staircase and the bridge are two different things. The staircase isn't just for the bridge, its for the whole Cleo parking structure. This is just like M&F has its stairs as well. All parking structures needs a staircase, usually several. I've just outlined where I think the staircase will be. And then in the same post I outlined where the bridge would be. So maybe you confused what I meant.

This concept art shows the staircase highlighted with the red arrow.

View attachment 319230

Maybe we are thinking of two different things but this is what you originally said.

Now the cut-out (that space everyone keeps saying is the tram pass thru) in the escalator tower makes sense. It's for the stairs and the pedestrian bridge over Magic Way.

you talk about how the "cut out" tram pass thru, in your opinion would actually be for the stairs and pedestrian bridge. I'm having a hard time understanding how the tunnel in any way correlate to a set of staircases. construction wise there is no reason to leave a tunnel if at the end it would be for the instalation of a staircase that would be anchored outside of the structure.
Also the staircases are pretty much mandatory for safety reasons. There has to be escape routes on every floor via staircases at different areas of the structure. In the area where tunnel is, adding a staircase in that location would void the 4th floor and the 6th floor access to any emergency staircase because there won't be an actual floor section in that part of the structure which I am going to refer to as landings.