Pixar Pals Parking Structure Specifics/Updates

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I don't know for sure, but all construction I've seen so far on this project has shown that a wall would be built at the same time as the floor itself. You don't typically see exterior concrete walls added afterwards on construction projects like this. Also for structural support of the wall itself it would make more sense for the wall to be built as part of the structure than to be added afterwards.

I don't have all the answers, just as you don't. At this point there is no proof either way of staircase, elevators, or even the tram path going in that area with the gap, its all just guesses and opinions. So we're both making assumptions without very much data. But I think we are only a month or so away from find out the answer.

Well again, if concept art is to be believed, there is evidence of a stairwell adjacent to the plaza-facing wall. But hey, I have no answers.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well again, if concept art is to be believed, there is evidence of a stairwell adjacent to the plaza-facing wall. But hey, I have no answers.

And those won't be the only staircase. So that point is moot.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

And those won't be the only staircase. So that point is moot.

Is it though? Or is it only moot because it contradicts your original hypothesis???

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe we are thinking of two different things but this is what you originally said.



you talk about how the "cut out" tram pass thru, in your opinion would actually be for the stairs and pedestrian bridge. I'm having a hard time understanding how the tunnel in any way correlate to a set of staircases. construction wise there is no reason to leave a tunnel if at the end i would be for the instalation of a staircase that would be anchored outside of the structure.
Also the staircases are pretty much mandatory for safety reasons. There has to be escape routes on every floor via staircases at different areas of the structure. In the area where tunnel is, adding a staircase in that location would void the 4th floor and the 6th floor access to any emergency staircase because there won't be an actual floor section in that part of the structure which I am going to refer to as landings.

Maybe my post could have been worded better. But my point was this cutout area (not the cutout itself) on one side of the tower next to Magic Way would be for the bridge. That part can be seen in the permit filings with the City, so its known. On the other side I'm of the opinion they'll use it for a staircase or my earlier idea of the elevators. I just see no other reason why they would have left things so open with those floors otherwise. As I explained in several earlier posts there should already be walls there if its was just a plain guest path. But currently there is no walls there. And to go back and add walls at this point I can't see that happening. Exterior walls need to be part of the structure.

As for the 4th and 6th floor, I can't explain that yet.

 

[Disney Irish]

Is it though? Or is it only moot because it contradicts your original hypothesis???

Its moot for various reasons:

1. The concept art could be wrong or we're misinterpreting it.
2. So far there is no evidence in the current construction that the staircase is going in the middle of the structure like you believe. There is no gap large enough in the exterior walls of the parking structure that would indicate a staircase is going in the middle of the structure.
3. There will be multiple staircases.

If you have an image showing current construction where you believe the staircase will go besides that concept art, I'll be happy to look at it. But for now I'm sticking with my thoughts.

Overall again I think we're just a month or so away from finding a lot of this stuff out.

 

[Disney Irish]

Now I will throw this out about the wall on those open floors. This is to show I'm thinking beyond my own ideas. They could add metal fencing as a wall/barrier. But you'd think they would build up the concrete a bit to anchor the metal fencing. But that doesn't appear to be the case. So again it doesn't make sense why its currently so wide open. Anyways, we still don't know and its all just guesses at this point.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Just for fun, let's look at a different section of the structure.

I personally took this on 9/24. It shows what can be best described as a "wooden
wall to keep workers from falling":

Now, fast forward a few days to the 9/28 SILA update and it appears that the wood
was removed and a concrete wall was put in its place:

So, it IS possible to add in walls.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Its moot for various reasons:
2. So far there is no evidence in the current construction that the staircase is going in the middle of the structure like you believe.

Here is a good indicator of where the staircase will most likely go as per the construction art.


circled in red you will notice a break in the wall

here is a closer picture of that area, notice the width of the open space.

the width of the open area is the size needed for a walk thru access to staircase.

Here is picture of existing mickey and friend structure, notice the wall width cutout for each stair landing

 

[Disney Irish]

Here is a good indicator of where the staircase will most likely go as per the construction art.


circled in red you will notice a break in the wall

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here is a closer picture of that area, notice the width of the open space.View attachment 319263

the width of the open area is the size needed for a walk thru access to staircase.

Here is picture of existing mickey and friend structure, notice the wall width cutout for each stair landing


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Ok, and as I said there will be more than one staircase, even in close proximity to each other. But whatever. Anyways, thanks for the image. Hopefully that is where the middle staircase goes.

I'm still of the opinion that the "cutout" will be used for something else besides just a tram path on the plaza side of the tower.

 

[Disney Irish]

Here is a good indicator of where the staircase will most likely go as per the construction art.


circled in red you will notice a break in the wall

View attachment 319260

here is a closer picture of that area, notice the width of the open space.View attachment 319263

the width of the open area is the size needed for a walk thru access to staircase.

Here is picture of existing mickey and friend structure, notice the wall width cutout for each stair landing


View attachment 319270

Actually that is an old photo, as the 3rd floor it doesn't have the same cutout. Its only the second floor that has the cutout. So there goes that idea of that being the location for the middle staircase.

 

[mickEblu]

I’ve heard it’s not stairs at all and that the cutout is actually for a slide.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’ve heard it’s not stairs at all and that the cutout is actually for a slide.

I'd be down for that....

 

[mm121]

Someday, Disney will just send big Dumbo drones to grab folks off their front porches or hotel roofs and carry them by their shoulders over the roadways, with an aim to plunk them down in the esplanade. Along the way, the Dumbos will electronically check each person's total available credit. If the guest isn't a potential big-spender, the drone will just drop him/her (with a nonchalant flip) in the nearest DTD treetop.

Managers will refer to it as "The Morning Sort."

Reminds me of Roller Coaster Tycoon.
If you wanted to move guests you could pick therm up with a claw from the sky

 

[mm121]

I don't know for sure, but all construction I've seen so far on this project has shown that a wall would be built at the same time as the floor itself. You don't typically see exterior concrete walls added afterwards on construction projects like this. Also for structural support of the wall itself it would make more sense for the wall to be built as part of the structure than to be added afterwards.

I don't have all the answers, just as you don't. At this point there is no proof either way of staircase, elevators, or even the tram path going in that area with the gap, its all just guesses and opinions. So we're both making assumptions without very much data. But I think we are only a month or so away from find out the answer.

They didn't build the wall on the second level on the north side by the ramps

But they did build it for the third level

So they definitely don't always do it as the levels get built

 

[Darkbeer1]

At the council meeting. Just posted 4 photos at www.darkbeer.smugmug.com.

Feel free to post them here. They are a good look at the project.

Public access to the bridge is included.

Item 15 passed 7-0.

 

[mm121]

Actually that is an old photo, as the 3rd floor it doesn't have the same cutout. Its only the second floor that has the cutout. So there goes that idea of that being the location for the middle staircase.

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The forms don't always show thge final product

It's easier to use big forms then just put in internal dividers for area you don't want filled with concrete

There's similar cut outs more to the north.

Most likely the front of the garage will have 2 sets of stairs one on both the north and south ends of the big canopy covering part of the plaza

I don't believe that opening is a bridge or a tunnel at all, I think the tram will go into the interior of the garage

And that opening has been simply for construction access

 

[mm121]

At the council meeting. Just posted 4 photos at www.darkbeer.smugmug.com.

Feel free to post them here. They are a good look at the project.

Public access to the bridge is included.

Item 15 passed 7-0.

These should clear up that the pedestrian bridge is going where the bridge over the construction access currently is

Then the elevators going just to the west of it.

Putting the tram into the interior of the garage as there is no tram pathway in the courtyard

 

[build_it]

At the council meeting. Just posted 4 photos at www.darkbeer.smugmug.com.

Feel free to post them here. They are a good look at the project.

Public access to the bridge is included.

Item 15 passed 7-0.

Thanks for the pics! That fourth one (the rendering) shows a lot of detail about the stairs and bridge!

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

Here are some ideas from DarkBeer's photo from the meeting.

If the green is a shrouded stairs, then maybe the red is the elevators. Yellow could be the tram route going through the big opening between the escalators and the structure. Purple could be a ramp from the overpass on the Hotel side. It's not clear if there are stairs or elevator on that side.

But if that is the tram route, it puts the elevators and stairs on the outside of the plaza security screening, in addition to any ground-floor guest parking. We seem to have a lot of unanswered questions. But thanks to DarkBeer for the pics.

EDIT: Alternatively, there is just as plausible an argument that the tram loading area is inside the structure.

 

[mm121]

Here are some ideas from DarkBeer's photo from the meeting.

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If the green is a shrouded stairs, then maybe the red is the elevators. Yellow could be the tram route going through the big opening between the escalators and the structure. Purple could be a ramp from the overpass on the Hotel side. It's not clear if there are stairs or elevator on that side.

But if that is the tram route, it puts the elevators and stairs on the outside of the plaza security screening, in addition to any ground-floor guest parking. We seem to have a lot of unanswered questions. But thanks to DarkBeer for the pics.

EDIT: Alternatively, there is just as plausible an argument that the tram loading area is inside the structure.

The yellow is the stairs.
I believe the purple is one large elevator, possibly a passthrough style entering from each level on the South side then exiting on the ground level into the plaza.

As the tram route (red) appears to be going UNDER the area where the escalors (blue) and pedestrian bridge (green) connect instead of squeezing around the outside of structure . The elevator can't have a door on level one as the same side it can on levels 2 to 6

The security zone (pink) would then lead to an internal tram loading zone then the rest of the team route is unseen under thge interioir of thge structure