Pirates refurb dates released

[GiveMeTheMusic]

What if I'm the only one who likes the change? None of you will ever trust me again.

Oh well.

 

[TP2000]

The caverns area, especially the long dark tunnel after the treasure room, has all sorts of areas where tech and effects from Shanghai Disneyland Pirates could be installed quite effectively.

I just hope they remove that dumb mist screen thing that never worked, never looks good, and just sort of jars you out of the moment as you pass under it.

 

[SuddenStorm]

The caverns area, especially the long dark tunnel after the treasure room, has all sorts of areas where tech and effects from Shanghai Disneyland Pirates could be installed quite effectively.

I just hope they remove that dumb mist screen thing that never worked, never looks good, and just sort of jars you out of the moment as you pass under it.

That, and reverting back to the original dialogue for the segment would be wonderful.

No fear of Evil curses says you...

 

[JD2000]

It is too bad Disney is never going to remove the movie tie-ins.

And that always brings up questions such as these:

Does current Disney management even recognize the harm they did to the original narrative, etc?

Would people have accepted these changes way back if they had known they were not temporary?

Do average guests even know that Jack Sparrow was not always there?

How many people would be upset if they did choose to remove them; even with "experience the original, classic attraction" educational marketing to back it?

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

It is too bad Disney is never going to remove the movie tie-ins.

And that always brings up questions such as these:

Does current Disney management even recognize the harm they do to the narrative, etc?

Would people have accepted these changes way back if they had known they were not temporary?

Dovaverage guests even know that Jack Sparrow was not always there?

How many people would be upset if they did choose to remove them; even with "experience the original, classic attraction" educational marketing to back it?

Personally, I think even if Disney does recognize the harm they're causing, they probably don't care.
Bottom line is, they're making the money they want to make by barely swinging the bat. And 99% of the Disney consumers just keep eating it up.

I was at the park's recently and someone in line at Haunted Mansion literally didn't even know they were building SWL. Disney thrives off the ignorance of its fanbase.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Personally, I think even if Disney does recognize the harm they're causing, they probably don't care.
Bottom line is, they're making the money they want to make by barely swinging the bat. And 99% of the Disney consumers just keep eating it up.

I was at the park's recently and someone in line at Haunted Mansion literally didn't even know they were building SWL. Disney thrives off the ignorance of its fanbase.

To be fair- for most Disneyland is nothing more than a vacation destination or someplace to get a good churro and wear those monster University hats.

Most don't care about the historical significance of a theme park ride- since to many, a ride is just a ride.

They thrive off the ignorance of the consumer since that's the nature of the industry.

It's easy to forget that the people who read about the history, study the attractions, and discuss Disneyland online are the vast minority and we'll rarely get our way because of it.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

To be fair- for most Disneyland is nothing more than a vacation destination or someplace to get a good churro and wear those monster University hats.

Most don't care about the historical significance of a theme park ride- since to many, a ride is just a ride.

They thrive off the ignorance of the consumer since that's the nature of the industry.

It's easy to forget that the people who read about the history, study the attractions, and discuss Disneyland online are the vast minority and we'll rarely get our way because of it.

But I think the biggest question of all is, did it always use to be this way? I think not. And if that is the case, then what changed and when?

 

[SuddenStorm]

But I think the biggest question of all is, did it always use to be this way? I think not. And if that is the case, then what changed and when?

Yes, it has always been this way. It's not like people used to care more about the history, and care less now.

Disneyland has always been a one day vacation spot, that while people love most only go since it's a fun place to be and don't care about Marc Davis influence in the Haunted Mansion or who voiced the auctioneer or what Disney is rumored to be building.

I will say, Walt was amazing at showing off his park on TV and showing off the new technologies and attractions, so that might have helped a bit in the early days.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Yes, it has always been this way. It's not like people used to care more about the history, and care less now.

Disneyland has always been a one day vacation spot, that while people love most only go since it's a fun place to be and don't care about Marc Davis influence in the Haunted Mansion or who voiced the auctioneer or what Disney is rumored to be building.

I will say, Walt was amazing at showing off his park on TV and showing off the new technologies and attractions, so that might have helped a bit in the early days.

But surely something has changed from the corporate aspect. For instance, current-run Disney would have laughed an idea like "EPCOT Center" out of the room. I realize we're probably talking different things at this point, but that's just my two cents.

 

[SuddenStorm]

But surely something has changed from the corporate aspect. For instance, current-run Disney would have laughed an idea like "EPCOT Center" out of the room. I realize we're probably talking different things at this point, but that's just my two cents.

From a corporate aspect yes, 21 century Disney is very different than they days when Disney parks were in their infancy. And in another 50 years, what we see corporate doing will be different than today.

Remember- Disneyland was developing a new industry. Most of the early projects were the imagineers figuring it what works, and what doesn't. Now- corporate knows what works. There's a lot less guesswork and experimentation today.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

There's a lot less guesswork and experimentation today.

And less innovation, originality, and creativity...
AKA, we know you'll accept mediocrity, so here's some more for $20!

 

[Phroobar]

But surely something has changed from the corporate aspect. For instance, current-run Disney would have laughed an idea like "EPCOT Center" out of the room. I realize we're probably talking different things at this point, but that's just my two cents.

A company the size of Disney can't have the heart and soul of the original creators. These people have retired or died. Disney is run by a completely different set of people and ages. You have a mix of Disney fanatics, oblivious MBAs and just people working at a company to pay the rent. If it was run like the old days, it would have gone the way of Toys R Us a long time ago. Is it better to have what we have now or the parks would have been sold to Cider Fair and Six Flags back in early 80s and we would have Aladdin's suspended hyper coaster circling the castle.

 

[dweezil78]

But surely something has changed from the corporate aspect. For instance, current-run Disney would have laughed an idea like "EPCOT Center" out of the room. I realize we're probably talking different things at this point, but that's just my two cents.

Yes... time, culture, and trends change. The Disney of 1982 wouldn't have done half the things that Walt did in 1955. Every major city in the country now has a pretty decent Science and/or History Museum with a big IMAX theater, cool interactive exhibits, maybe a simulator ride, etc. The idea of paying lots of $$$ to experience that kind of stuff at Disney (even with lots of AAs thrown in) just isn't a viable business model anymore. Disney's advantage is that, well, they're Disney and you can bet they're going to leverage their assets in every way possible.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

A company the size of Disney can't have the heart and soul of the original creators. These people have retired or died. Disney is run by a completely different set of people and ages. You have a mix of Disney fanatics, oblivious MBAs and just people working at a company to pay the rent. If it was run like the old days, it would have gone the way of Toys R Us a long time ago. Is it better to have what we have now or the parks would have been sold to Cider Fair and Six Flags back in early 80s and we would have Aladdin's suspended hyper coaster circling the castle.

Just because the founder of the company is dead doesn't mean a company can't adhere to the guiding principles he laid out. That's like saying we should abandon the Constitution because all the founding fathers are gone.

OK, that might be a stretch of an analogy, and I know its foolhardy to still be thinking, "what Walt would have done..." but man, the bulk of what's coming out of Burbank and Glendale these days is just laughably bad.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Yes... time, culture, and trends change. The Disney of 1982 wouldn't have done half the things that Walt did in 1955. Every major city in the country now has a pretty decent Science and/or History Museum with a big IMAX theater, cool interactive exhibits, maybe a simulator ride, etc. The idea of paying lots of $$$ to experience that kind of stuff at Disney (even with lots of AAs thrown in) just isn't a viable business model anymore. Disney's advantage is that, well, they're Disney and you can bet they're going to leverage their assets in every way possible.

And there's the Disney difference. As a kid growing up in Epcot, I never once felt like I was in a museum.

 

[Phroobar]

Just because the founder of the company is dead doesn't mean a company can't adhere to the guiding principles he laid out. That's like saying we should abandon the Constitution because all the founding fathers are gone.

OK, that might be a stretch of an analogy, and I know its foolhardy to still be thinking, "what Walt would have done..." but man, the bulk of what's coming out of Burbank and Glendale these days is just laughably bad.

Executives don't think that way. They only pay lip service to those ideas during corporate meetings and pep rallies. It's pretty fake.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Executives don't think that way. They only pay lip service to those ideas during corporate meetings and pep rallies. It's pretty fake.

Sadly yes. And its that that is the core of all my frustrations with Dis. It's just even worse when the spout it live on stage as they did during the Parks Panel last D23.

 

[dweezil78]

And there's the Disney difference. As a kid growing up in Epcot, I never once felt like I was in a museum.

No I understand that and agree -- but thematically, the types of attractions and exhibits found at the original EPCOT Center were cut from the same mold as the types of things you'd see at a science/history museum of today. (No doubt, probably inspired by Disney/Epcot to some degree). While EPCOT Center may not have felt like a museum, what it did offer was no longer different enough to what you could experience for far less $$$ around the country..

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

No I understand that and agree -- but thematically, the types of attractions and exhibits found at the original EPCOT Center were cut from the same mold as the types of things you'd see at a science/history museum of today. (No doubt, probably inspired by Disney/Epcot to some degree). While EPCOT Center may not have felt like a museum, what it did offer was no longer different enough to what you could experience for far less $$$ around the country..

But surely Guardians of the Galaxy is the solution!

/sarcasm

 

[dweezil78]

But surely Guardians of the Galaxy is the solution!

/sarcasm

Eh... anything is better than circa 1994 Ellen Degeneres telling me about fossil fuels. I'd trade that for a fun sci-fi inspired attraction any day of the week. If Guardians literally turns out to be a boring lame indoor coaster I will feel ripped off, so here's to hoping they've got something more exciting in store for the actual ride.