Flip83
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PHOTOS - Inside the interactive indoor queue set to open in July at Dumbo
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My first thought upon reading the news was: what do these "circus ticket pagers" look like?
My second and third thoughts: how soon will we start seeing them on eBay, and how much are people going to be willing to pay for them? (I mean, if there are folks out there who are willing to buy Fastpasses online...)
My second and third thoughts: how soon will we start seeing them on eBay, and how much are people going to be willing to pay for them? (I mean, if there are folks out there who are willing to buy Fastpasses online...)
Pixiedustmaker
Well-Known Member
Maybe Disney was caught completely unawares, but this is the 21st Century, you purposely put out stuff on a new ride and the fans gobble it up. Yes, FLE looks great all around, but the new Dumbo queue is the first really new thing beside the old Dumbo spinner in a new location with some LED lights.
Here's the hype:
1. Disney announces FLE with double Dumbo spinner. Circusland looks cool, purple trees and a big tent behind the Dumbos!
2. D23 comments made about queue
3. More concept art "leaked" of interactive queue (hard to see but show a really big burning building).
4. Photos inside the place showing a McDonald's level play area for tots, the type were kids above a certain age are banned from entering. And the blurb:
"This innovative queue lounge will completely redefine what it means for guests to prepare for a Disney attraction. Here’s how it will work: Guests arrive at Dumbo’s big top and receive a circus ticket pager that virtually holds their place in line and notifies them when it’s their turn to board the attraction. Kids (and kids of all ages) can then become part of the show inside the tent by enjoying circus-themed play experiences, while Dumbo flies high above."
I'm not making things up when I say that I was looking forward to playing Midway/Circus games in line while waiting to ride Dumbo. I watched Dumbo plenty of times as a kid and would have loved to see an interactive quality queue which gives homage to Dumbo, as well as adding some fun. This may well happen, we've just seen a small area.
This is not a crime as guests of all ages love Fantasyland, there's nothing wrong with grown adults hoping to see some Disney magic underneath the big top. Improvements are great, as are air conditioned queues, but remember that FLE is supposed to be something special, not just the riverboat going down for an extended refurb.
Nothing wrong with a McDonald's play area, but having watched/supervised my niece, all the adult does it watch with terror as the kid runs and jumps around while sitting and standing. My best memories in Disneyland are waiting in a queue with family members and talking as this was sort of forced family interaction time. If they added games to the lines, then parents could play this with kids, rather than just supervising the really young kids in line. How many toddlers do you think are going to be crowding in this area? When you have them many kids, you sometimes get injuries, i.e. one kid kicking/stepping on the face/toes of another kid.
So, for a family with an 8 year old, 11 year old, 15 year old, who like Dumbo, you just wait around doing nothing? Please, there has to be more than this . . .
I would disagree that Dumbo is "geared" for little kids as kids of all ages, and even adults ride it and have fun. That's the point of MK (or at least Disneyland) of people of different ages enjoying the same rides. An interactive queue with Midway/Circus games and maybe even, gasp!, audioanimatronic circus animals and a Dumbo flying around would have interested more guests in the ride, never a bad thing.
Disney is happy to have diehard fans who will buy the overpriced merchandise, go to special events, and buy pins and stuff . . . they shouldn't be surprised if a hyped interactive queue in a very large building fizzles and upsets fans.
When the concept art for Potterland came out, I thought that this was just blue sky-type concept work, NO . . .it actually looks that good. Disney has been doing it differently recently, they are releasing blue sky concept art which doesn't match up with what was built, almost as though budget were slashed during construction. I speak from firsthand experience, LM's concept art in DCA's blue sky cellar had some neat scenes which were truncated when you look at what was actually built.
mvieguy
Active Member
Correct me if i am wrong, What is the target audience for Dumbo?
here is the deal, I have been to Disneyworld and the Magic Kingdom 20 times in 30 years, and I am pushing 40. growing up. my parents used to just let me go out on the park alone. yet with the exception of 76 and 79 when i was a toddler, I NEVER RODE DUMBO. Why because that ride to any kid 10 and older is not attractive. its not because of the lines or where it used to be in the park, even the carpets in Alladin was not attractive to me. AND even if it had an anteractive Que like it does now, i would not remotely be interested riding on it. Same goes for the Honey I shrunk the kids Playarea, and some other areas of the parks.
so for you Superfans to and Moan. I guarantee you dont even ride Dumbo. you are just looking for a reason to , so you fit in with the other and Moan Club here on this forum.
its pretty sad, not because Disney built a place where Parents can go into an airconditioned place so their kids can play and be entertained in the AC, instead of sitting for an hour in the hot sun, having their bored child become cranky.
hmmmmmm
here is the deal, I have been to Disneyworld and the Magic Kingdom 20 times in 30 years, and I am pushing 40. growing up. my parents used to just let me go out on the park alone. yet with the exception of 76 and 79 when i was a toddler, I NEVER RODE DUMBO. Why because that ride to any kid 10 and older is not attractive. its not because of the lines or where it used to be in the park, even the carpets in Alladin was not attractive to me. AND even if it had an anteractive Que like it does now, i would not remotely be interested riding on it. Same goes for the Honey I shrunk the kids Playarea, and some other areas of the parks.
so for you Superfans to and Moan. I guarantee you dont even ride Dumbo. you are just looking for a reason to , so you fit in with the other and Moan Club here on this forum.
its pretty sad, not because Disney built a place where Parents can go into an airconditioned place so their kids can play and be entertained in the AC, instead of sitting for an hour in the hot sun, having their bored child become cranky.
hmmmmmm
I was curious to see this concept art of the burning building, as I didn't recall seeing anything related to the inside. I thought they had been keeping a very tight lid on what's inside the tents...
Then I did a quick search and found it:
(click for larger)
Don't really know what they're doing with the burning building in there, do we? We just see it's there. Not entirely sure what that blue blob is next to it, either.
Disney's always released concept art that doesn't match with the final product. In fact, they have a long history of releasing art that is intentionally made to be very vague. I think that's some of the fun the imagineers have with us, is that slow reveal of a product over many years. They never give all the details up front. How many of use knew of the Carolwood Park theming before Circus-land started to open up? They want us to explore and find out more once the place is open. That's part of the enjoyment of going, to find all those little Disney details. I'm sure there's still lots to this queue we'll discover in the next few months.
People keep referring to carnival/midway games, but take a moment to think about the logistics of implementing that. Most likely you'd need at least one cast member at each game to keep it running smoothly (we wouldn't want that other person's kid dominating skee ball and not letting our kids play, right?). Not to mention you'd probably have lines form at each game, and then you'd have some kids screaming that they didn't get a turn (much harder to point at the Dumbo spinners and say we're going to do that now, when you're inside the tent).
In an age where every square foot's ability to generate money is evaluated, the midway games (unless they cost us money, which would touch off a whole other set of issues) would be a huge waste of space in the eyes of some executives. If you want carnival games, you can still go to Animal Kingdom or the Boardwalk to get your fill (and empty your wallet).
As someone else said, this is their first attempt at a queueless queue, and I think they're doing it right. Little kids will love what they have here. Sure the parents can't sit in the little firetruck there, but there's still enough space around it for parents to helicopter.
You have to remember, the billions of dollars they've invested in next gen isn't all going into this queue. It's being spread out over many projects, some of which we probably still don't know about. As they work on the meat of this project (which I can only guess is Fastpass+ and related infrastructure), they've done these queues for Pooh, Mansion and now this so the stockholders don't start screaming like internet forum members...
~I demand more blue blob in this queue!~
Then I did a quick search and found it:
(click for larger)
Don't really know what they're doing with the burning building in there, do we? We just see it's there. Not entirely sure what that blue blob is next to it, either.
Disney's always released concept art that doesn't match with the final product. In fact, they have a long history of releasing art that is intentionally made to be very vague. I think that's some of the fun the imagineers have with us, is that slow reveal of a product over many years. They never give all the details up front. How many of use knew of the Carolwood Park theming before Circus-land started to open up? They want us to explore and find out more once the place is open. That's part of the enjoyment of going, to find all those little Disney details. I'm sure there's still lots to this queue we'll discover in the next few months.
People keep referring to carnival/midway games, but take a moment to think about the logistics of implementing that. Most likely you'd need at least one cast member at each game to keep it running smoothly (we wouldn't want that other person's kid dominating skee ball and not letting our kids play, right?). Not to mention you'd probably have lines form at each game, and then you'd have some kids screaming that they didn't get a turn (much harder to point at the Dumbo spinners and say we're going to do that now, when you're inside the tent).
In an age where every square foot's ability to generate money is evaluated, the midway games (unless they cost us money, which would touch off a whole other set of issues) would be a huge waste of space in the eyes of some executives. If you want carnival games, you can still go to Animal Kingdom or the Boardwalk to get your fill (and empty your wallet).
As someone else said, this is their first attempt at a queueless queue, and I think they're doing it right. Little kids will love what they have here. Sure the parents can't sit in the little firetruck there, but there's still enough space around it for parents to helicopter.
You have to remember, the billions of dollars they've invested in next gen isn't all going into this queue. It's being spread out over many projects, some of which we probably still don't know about. As they work on the meat of this project (which I can only guess is Fastpass+ and related infrastructure), they've done these queues for Pooh, Mansion and now this so the stockholders don't start screaming like internet forum members...
~I demand more blue blob in this queue!~
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
While I agree that people are overreacting the question "where is the hype?" is a tough one to ask. Disney hasn't promoted anything new at Disney World all that well. They seemingly forgot to advertise the new Star Tours, most of their ads feature the outdoor attractions that just show movement (Teacups, Kali River Rapids, Flying Carpets). They'll advertise special deals but not sell their actual product. In comparison, I see ads both on television and on the web that mention Harry Potter and Spiderman.
I love the Animal Kingdom, but there's no reason it should have a higher attendance than DHS, even factoring in the "first park visited" approach to counting. The reason why people swarmed to Star Tours in Disneyland vs. Disney World is because the advertising in California extended to that park's target market whereas the advertising for Florida was just located in Florida. It needed to extend up and down the East Coast. If they do the same thing for the Fantasyland Expansion they're going to be sorely disappointed.
With regards to the Dumbo queue, the hype was that it was announced by Rasulo as something new. This was the precursor to many of the interactive queues but came afterwards. That needs to be considered. Furthermore, as you said - we've seen so little of what's in there it's unrealistic to fairly assess it.
JustInTime
Well-Known Member
I was curious to see this concept art of the burning building, as I didn't recall seeing anything related to the inside. I thought they had been keeping a very tight lid on what's inside the tents...
Then I did a quick search and found it:
(click for larger)
Don't really know what they're doing with the burning building in there, do we? We just see it's there. Not entirely sure what that blue blob is next to it, either.
Disney's always released concept art that doesn't match with the final product. In fact, they have a long history of releasing art that is intentionally made to be very vague. I think that's some of the fun the imagineers have with us, is that slow reveal of a product over many years. They never give all the details up front. How many of use knew of the Carolwood Park theming before Circus-land started to open up? They want us to explore and find out more once the place is open. That's part of the enjoyment of going, to find all those little Disney details. I'm sure there's still lots to this queue we'll discover in the next few months.
People keep referring to carnival/midway games, but take a moment to think about the logistics of implementing that. Most likely you'd need at least one cast member at each game to keep it running smoothly (we wouldn't want that other person's kid dominating skee ball and not letting our kids play, right?). Not to mention you'd probably have lines form at each game, and then you'd have some kids screaming that they didn't get a turn (much harder to point at the Dumbo spinners and say we're going to do that now, when you're inside the tent).
In an age where every square foot's ability to generate money is evaluated, the midway games (unless they cost us money, which would touch off a whole other set of issues) would be a huge waste of space in the eyes of some executives. If you want carnival games, you can still go to Animal Kingdom or the Boardwalk to get your fill (and empty your wallet).
As someone else said, this is their first attempt at a queueless queue, and I think they're doing it right. Little kids will love what they have here. Sure the parents can't sit in the little firetruck there, but there's still enough space around it for parents to helicopter.
You have to remember, the billions of dollars they've invested in next gen isn't all going into this queue. It's being spread out over many projects, some of which we probably still don't know about. As they work on the meat of this project (which I can only guess is Fastpass+ and related infrastructure), they've done these queues for Pooh, Mansion and now this so the stockholders don't start screaming like internet forum members...
~I demand more blue blob in this queue!~
Wow. It has been so long since I looked at that concept art. If you look close, you can see that inside the tent, it's actually the burning building/firetruck and that blue blob is an elephant with a pink hat on. Also, it looks like that is some sort of seating all around it. There are people sitting in seats watching the "blue blob/elephant" area. You can also see Casey Jr. in one of the tents on the left.
Man things changed. And for the better. Glad dumo isn't inclosed. Looks like it might have been. Also glad the carousel isn't directly to the left like shown.
evilzorac
Active Member
Amen! My 8 & 6 year old love the "more strenuous" Mission Space ride but go gaga over the play ground. They are old Disney hands by now (annuals since before their birth) but this is one of their faves and certainly a wonderfully cool rest for my wife and I.
tink1972
New Member
I guess I'm just one for not complaining about something until I actually get to see it and try it for myself....these were only photos, no video of how it actually will all work! I'm just going to give it a chance....and I'm sure my 6, 9 and even 14 year old daughters will love the break from the heat if nothing else!
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
i think you are reaching the point of absurdity, sir!
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
I agree with your analysis. It seems that TDO or P&R is perfectly content with letting the name "Walt Disney World" market itself basically...and that nothing more needs to be said to make people come. But I don't think their marketing techniques work to build new interest. Not that I'm privy to the marketing data. I imagine it's cheaper as well to market this way as they can continue to use stock footage and just add a voice over for whatever promotion they are currently running...though most of the footage used in WDW promotions is of Disneyland anyway and I really can't believe that the bean counters have THAT tight of a grip on the marketing budget.
I think that if WDW wants to see an uptick in attendance from FLE that they need to market the entire area separately in a campaign that shows new and exciting offerings at WDW...include footage of AoA Resort and whatever else is "new" over the past 6-12 months.
As for hype around Dumbo....cmon...this is Dumbo we're talking about. NextGen Queue or not, no hype is needed/warranted. It's Dumbo. :animwink:
Cmdr_Crimson
Well-Known Member
When I saw the images at first glance it looked neat..Then I saw that it had a slide and the frame is netted for people to go up a second floor..It to me looks like one of those Foam Ball Factory attractions..Sans the Foam Balls..
Vader2112
Well-Known Member
Do you think they may use ABC to do a television special aorund the opening of FLE? With sneak peeks of the atractions. Although with the tech being what it is today not sure if that would be as effective. Television viewship is dropping rapidly especially amoung youn people. It's all about On Demand and the internet now.
Tom
Beta Return
I SERIOUSLY don't understand why Disney wouldn't run a 30 or 60-min show each week (like the old Wonderful World of Disney) on ABC that's like an infomercial for the parks.
They could do a variety show, focus on a different park or destination each week. Throw in the Muppets to get them some face time. I mean, they own the dang station, spend a few dollars and put something back on the air.
They would capture the entire market like they did in the old days. Forget all the commercials - families would flock to a good, old fashioned television show.
Pixiedustmaker
Well-Known Member
I have riden Dumbo recently, albeit in Disneyland, with small children in my party. Parents get a kick out of riding Dumbo with their kids, plus its a nice little ride, and you get to control the Dumbo with the little joystick. There's just something iconic about riding Dumbo in Fantasyland that makes it appealing to a broader audience than Aladdin's magic carpets, though I am sure there are adults who are "ok" with that.
The new Dumbo looks neat as it has LED lighting at night. After the crowds of parents with little kids leave Fantasyland during the night, you often have adults and teenagers reliving their childhood by riding the rides in Fantasyland (at least in Disneyland).
The target audience of all rides in the castle parks is the whole family, the rides are meant to appeal to little kids, but also to be themed enough that parents don't get bored. An LED Dumbo with interactive games that teens/adults would enjoy having a whack it is the sort of multi-layered attraction I would expect Disney to build. Even though little kids may beg their parents to take them on Dumbo, parents/adults still do ride the ride in huge numbers, might as well put something interesting for everybody.
The burning building in the queue is from the movie Dumbo where Dumbo jumps from a mock burning building, supposedly into a pool of water, but then magically flies around the big top.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjPYMs4w5TI&feature=fvwrel
It would have been cool to have a much larger burning building, in addition to Dumbo which jumps and then magically flies around the tent.
As the concept art showed a bigger burning building (not part of the McDonald's crawl through for little kids) I think a lot of people suspected that this area would have something that would appeal to everybody.
The play area isn't a bad addition, only if that is all there is then its a disappointment. A regular queue line with button to push and games to play, in this air condition area, also would have appealed to little kids. Also, I hope that one spinner has a regular queue line as the one with pagers will not doubt be longer as you might have to wait for people to queue up?
Cmdr_Crimson
Well-Known Member
I totally agree..When Walt Disney World Inside out was on Disney Channel they at least updated it each and every week to see what is new and what was happening...Now that Technology has taken it's grip on the world there's no going back to the good ol days when finding out what is new at Disney is almost every second and not just on Holiday Parades anymore..It's terrible.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Tom
Beta Return
True....they like to put him in the parks on occasion.
But really, they could produce a half hour show and run it every Sunday night (or whatever day makes the most sense in today's society) that has Muppets and theme park highlights, and cruise highlights, and cartoons.
Sort of a throwback, but more modern.
Ah yes, but what they're really doing is making WDW's appeal more than one attraction or addition. It's brilliant. This way, they don't have to add anything new but can still advertise the appeal of the entire resort.
I don't like it (because it gives them license to go years and years without additions), but it has unfortunately seemed to work. The general public has bought into WDW as the ultimate family vacation destination, whether they ever add anything new or not.