PHOTOS - Inside the interactive indoor queue set to open in July at Dumbo

DznyRktekt

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Now for the unveiling of the next gen Pirates queue, complete with rubberized stone walls and paths for children to run through, water shooting cannons, rope ladders to climb upon, and video screens. Fun for the entire family.
 

redsox3715

New Member
For everyone complaining go ride the dumbo and sit out in the heat. For everyone else this is great and new generation i know the older generation doesn't like it because they don't like change but oh well this is great news for families and the newer generation im very excited for this for myself,my 3 yr old and 7 month old son keep it up disney!!
 

menamechris

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Disney hasn't promoted anything new at Disney World all that well. They seemingly forgot to advertise the new Star Tours, most of their ads feature the outdoor attractions that just show movement (Teacups, Kali River Rapids, Flying Carpets). They'll advertise special deals but not sell their actual product. In comparison, I see ads both on television and on the web that mention Harry Potter and Spiderman.

I love the Animal Kingdom, but there's no reason it should have a higher attendance than DHS, even factoring in the "first park visited" approach to counting. The reason why people swarmed to Star Tours in Disneyland vs. Disney World is because the advertising in California extended to that park's target market whereas the advertising for Florida was just located in Florida. It needed to extend up and down the East Coast. If they do the same thing for the Fantasyland Expansion they're going to be sorely disappointed.

This was very well stated. Marketing at WDW has been a disaster the last few years. And I am personally convinced it is a matter of self-fulfilling prophecy. We all know the WDW execs are not fans of adding attractions or expanding (except DVC apparently). When they don't properly market new offerings that would boost attendance - they can point and say "But see...we updated Star Tours and attendance still fell at DHS..." This can go a long way in meetings to shoot down otherwise great ideas and potential additions to the parks. Unless CA steps in...which seems to be what has to happen these days to see movement in Orlando...

I fear Fantasyland will not be the draw some are anticipating. The fact that the majority of it will be open at the end of this year, and I am still hearing on a regular basis "They are expanding Fantasyland?" by tourists passing by the construction walls speaks volumes as to how WDW is handling the marketing of this expansion. In fact, I would go out on a limb, and say a normal person that hasn't visited WDW in a couple years or doesn't read Disney boards like these are fairly clueless to it. (And even did hear about it previously probably have forgotten). I am personally expecting some extra local activity in the MK during the holidays and in 2013 to check it out when more is open, but quite frankly, I don't think average families are booking tickets and rooms because of the New Fantasyland hype...

Oh, and as to the queue - This is what I have come to expect from Disney with projects like this. Interpret that anyway you want.
 

hpyhnt 1000

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Okay, so we now have video of the entire area. No carnival games, no real interactivity, its basically an indoor playground for the little ones.

Now, its not the worse thing in the World, and no doubt the kiddies will love it, and everyone will appreciate the AC, but I still find it underwhelming. And I can't help but wonder if this place will look as inviting when its filled with a couple hundred people.

rodserling27 said:
Disney says "All-new interactive queue will make you feel like you're in the circus."

What we get is:
"Kiddie playground with a place to sit for the adults, and maybe go down a slide."

Or as the video put it: "The kids are the circus performers." "Parents can sit and...enjoy the air conditioned room."

Sums it up pretty well. I'm still somewhat shocked that the only thing they could hype about this for adults is the fact there are benches in air conditioning.

But I'm sure the average family will adore this thing so who am I to make judgments? :shrug:
 

wdweric2.0

Member
It would be interesting to know how many of the people that are complaining about the new queue actually have children in the "dumbo demographic" say 10 and under......makes you wonder.
 

bubbles1812

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I love how she tries to say that sitting on a bench watching kids play in a playground is fun and exciting.. :rolleyes:
I would rather stand in a queue than sit awkwardly in that room for 30 minutes

You would seriously rather stand in 100 degree heat in a switch back line than sit in an air conditioned tent? No offense, but you come off completely ridiculous. It's fine that you are unhappy that you didn't get "what you were promised" or were expecting...everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I can even understand that disappoint. People seemed to have really built this up in their minds as the next great thing based on hardly any info. But your second comment makes you come off as just plain silly. But hey, there is a solution here...you don't like the queue, don't ride the ride. I'll ride it instead.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I am glad that some kids will enjoy this, but the issues as I see them:

1. The video show teenagers jumping and running around, pretty quickly, in a darken play area. The pizza joint near where I live has one of these and they limit the age of the kids to under 8 or something as obviously, big teenagers can seriously hurt pre-schoolers, and even kids 8 and under, you can't have toddlers playing in this thing with bigger kids, period. Legally, Disney is going to have to limit the age of the kids or else be faced with a slew of lawsuits when the first kid gets hurt. I bring this up as I'd hate to see a young kid get hurt!

2. The video shows parents playing. 95% of parents won't want to play in this structure, and as it should be age limited, they'll have to be outside of it. It is silly that they show a parent going down the slide as by and far that won't happen, or even be allowed to happen. The happiest memories are when parents are doing things with their kids, like tossing balls in hoops or playing some other game.

3. I ain't the top 1%, but this structure is very similar to many ones at pizza joints and mcdonalds. The young imagineer talking about her team working on this probably contracted out most of this stuff to a company that does this. Not that that's wrong, but this is just Disney following what cheap pizzerias and McDonald's does, not creating something totally new like a play area that doesn't involve nets and stuff, but which parents can play with their kids.

4. The special effects don't look good. Dumbo circles in a very tiny circle. They could have made it so the Dumbo swooshes all over the tent. More expensive, but might as well go all out . . .

5. Cheap burning building. It is just flat plywood painted to look like a burning building! Why not a sculpted thing with fiber-optic generated fire? Kids appreciate the pluses too, and Walt never underestimated his audience's intelligence to appreciate quality attractions, and they ability to recognize cheap stuff.

6. Lack of anything to look at. At least when you're waiting outside with the old Dumbo you could look at Fantasyland, the castle . . . there's one Dumbo, some generic circus stuff and . . . nothing much else. Where's the circus posters and all of the details? A three year old might not notice, but a lot of parents might hate the claustrophobic feel with little to do. I say claustrophobic as the climbing thing takes up all of the tent wall space, and you DON'T feel like you are visiting the circus, just a play area with some light circus theming.

7. If I (horror horror!) want to ride Dumbo without a four year old, do I really need to carry a pager while I watch other people play with their kids? Hopefully this is what the two Dumbos are for, interactive queue and not. I would want to wait outside as I really don't like these sorts of play areas as they are a mob scene and usually very loud.

1.5 stars out of 4. Air conditioning and shade a plus, good for a very narrow range of kids, boring and probably too loud for everybody else. I can see a parent getting bored sitting on that bench, wishing their was something they could do with their daughters . . . oh wait, that's what happened to Walt. I guess everything goes full circle! Some families with small kids will avoid the ride, Seriously, because it might be too loud inside and because parents might be afraid of injuries and not like having to police their kids from thirty feet away while they climb to the top of the burning building.

It's hilarious where the imagineer says that the big play area with nets is "really taken from the final scene of Dumbo." Because they tried to catch Dumbo in a net? It was taken from McDonald's . . . there is much Dumbo in there, only one Dumbo that is flying around in such a small circle it looks like he is spinning. She can't wait to show it to guests? Well, I'd guess I'd be excited if I worked on something for months, but its nothing new, except for the virtual queue, and the play area lacks some of the modern interactive gizmos/electronics you'd expect from Disney, and some of the games that have been hinted. Eventually, this area may become so packed that they'll have a line to get into the virtual queue, otherwise they'll risk accidents with kids slamming into each other.
 

JustInTime

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I don't see the problem. Not gonna lie. I think it's fine. And if you zoom in on the concert art, we got almost exactly was is depicted there (only we really got more than what was illustrated). In the art you can clearly see the burning house and playground area with the parents watching in the bleachers. It's all in the art, folks. Still pretty different and unique for a queue. Anybody that built it up more in their heads have themselves to blame.

Oh, and BTW, I am 25 and I have never ridden Dumbo. Most likely won't ever. It's not our demographic. Why would TDO spend thousands on a queue for adults to enjoy when the ride itself is a kiddie ride? This caters to Dumbo's audience perfectly. And if you aren't a kid, now you get to sit down and be cool while you wait if you happen to have a desire to ride this carnie spinner ride. This is clearly a win/win situation. I don't see the fuss.
 

NemoRocks78

Seized
I totally agree with everyone's thoughts about the thing. Kids will definitely love it. It's just very difficult to believe that a glorified McDonald's playground and Applebee's-style pagers are becoming a part of the Magic Kingdom.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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That video is a huge embarrassment failure. Wow. I Could not be more disappointed.

I agree. I'm pretty bummed out about it . . .

LM in DCA, really, really, stinks, in certain aspects such as unfinished scenes and cheap-o cut-outs used for Ursula. These cheap scenes which would have been fantastic had they invested a little bit more.

I get the same sort of feel from this queue, a good idea which didn't have enough money, or creativity, to come up with something that 100% was worthy of being in a Disney theme park. The tent costed money to build, but I kinda got worried when I saw that the back was just painted green . . . why not just wrap the tent motiff all the way around? I know that trees are supposed to cover it up from Autopia, but it would have been a nice way to advertise Circusland to see more tent. We're they really that cheap? Certainly the stuff that guests see on the inside would be better . . . now we see something on the inside that probably costs less than $50,000 . . . right?

Uh, I got a bad feeling about FLE.

1. Dumbo: outside looks good, especially at night. Interactive queue cheap and a mob scene. The new land (sub-land?) Storybook Circusland has . . . no new rides.
2. LM . . . hopefully will be much better than what is in DCA, otherwise expect a walk-on attraction with little re-rideability. LM is OK, but its not magical like Peter Pan, or Snow White's Scary Adventures, which is now gone.
3. Dwarfs roller coaster, the crown jewel of the expansion, hopefully will have enough of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to feel that you actually entered their world. Radiator Springs Racer has a great indoor ride section, why not add back some of the scenes from SWSA into the Seven Dwarfs coaster, bump ride time from 3.5 minutes to seven?
4. Beauty and the Beast restaurant. Looks fantastic, but sadly isn't connected to a B&B ride. Should Seven Dwarfs coaster disappoint, this will be the star of the new Fantasyland. I love Snow White, and hope that the coaster is cool, but we're losing the haunted/scary forest that was in SWSA . . . I am most excited about B&B restaurant, I want to see snow fluries while I eat . . .
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I don't see the problem. Not gonna lie. I think it's fine. And if you zoom in on the concert art, we got almost exactly was is depicted there (only we really got more than what was illustrated).

Why would TDO spend thousands on a queue for adults to enjoy when the ride itself is a kiddie ride?


After having experienced great Disney attractions, the concept art allowed us to imagine a lot of great things. However, the building on fire in the concept art clearly looks like a stand-alone 3-D structure with special effects . . . not a cheap cut-out. Why do concept art of a McDonald's play area?

Why care about a kiddie ride?

Walt made a point of never dumbing anything up for the guests, no matter what the bracket, even attractions that weren't E-Tickets got a lot of neat details. Even kids can appreciate the different between a McDonald's climbing area and interactive games where you get to throw something, interact with higher quality special effects.

I will ride this ride as if you are a parent, or adult in a party with kids, you will experience this queue. I just wish that there was something else to do besides watch kids put on their own "circus". Half the people waiting in line for Dumbo are adults, a chance to impress shouldn't be wasted.

There are plenty of people in their twenties, thirties . . . who don't mind riding Dumbo for the nostalgia, without young kids. This was a missed chance to do something really cool.

The great thing about Disneyland/Disney theme parks is that you see detail and amazing things in areas that one would assume aren't visited very much, you think to yourself, "They really added a lot of detail and neat things to this area, they didn't *have* to do that, but they did." Its these sorts of details that keep people coming back, and why Potterland is such a success.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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I totally agree with everyone's thoughts about the thing. Kids will definitely love it. It's just very difficult to believe that a glorified McDonald's playground and Applebee's-style pagers are becoming a part of the Magic Kingdom.

Kids love play areas . . . up to a point, and that point is reached when they get hurt or get tired out. IMHO, interactive circus games would have required less exertion, (you exercise enough walking around WDW), and would have held kid's attentions longer.

It'll be interesting to see if the pager system will work. Some parents will have a problem getting their kids to come down, and they'll have to hand out a lot of pagers, meaning having to pay for 2-3 extra castmembers to hand out/monitor pagers and patrol the play area.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Here's a comment (not mine) I pulled off of the YouTube video:

"What happened to all of the circus performers, that were supposed to be in the tent entertaining. For example; Clowns, Jugglers, Circus Game People, Ring Master, and everyone else. I think, I would like it a lot better if I felt like I was at Dumbo's Circus. I'm 22 and 6'4" and there is nothing I can do. So I guess I'll just stand in line or just sit and be bored until its my time to ride."

If the whole family/party is in the line, then that isn't as bad as if you're in line/waiting and you feel excluded as there isn't anything for you to do.
 

Enchantâmes

Active Member
Here's a comment (not mine) I pulled off of the YouTube video:

"What happened to all of the circus performers, that were supposed to be in the tent entertaining. For example; Clowns, Jugglers, Circus Game People, Ring Master, and everyone else. I think, I would like it a lot better if I felt like I was at Dumbo's Circus. I'm 22 and 6'4" and there is nothing I can do. So I guess I'll just stand in line or just sit and be bored until its my time to ride."

If the whole family/party is in the line, then that isn't as bad as if you're in line/waiting and you feel excluded as there isn't anything for you to do.

That is exactly how I feel I'm so glad that everyone's kids have yet another play ground, but what are people without kids riding this going to do? How is this any different than just waiting for PhilharMagic? You all can call me a whiny brat all you want, but this seems unfair for the rest of the visitors to the park. :wave:
 

Enchantâmes

Active Member
One more thing that annoys me... This comment from the video and several comments in the thread.

"yes maybe all you get to do while waiting is watch children play but at least you get to sit in the cool air conditioning!!! :)"

I'm sorry but there are hundreds of queues at parks that have AC that doesn't make it great. If I wanted to sit in a room with AC I would stay at home.
 

The Duck

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For those who were expecting live or animated circus performers: Why on earth would a queue for a B-Ticket attraction have features that you would find in a D or even an E-Ticket attraction? There was nothing in the concept art and nothing in the announcement that implied that a LIVE circus with mind-boggling performances would be going on in this area. Besides, would you expect anyone wanting to tear themselves away from the most jaw-dropping live show this side of the galaxy just to ride a fiberglass elephant for 60 seconds? It's a freakin' QUEUE. A nicely themed queue that is simply meant as a place to wait before the REAL attraction.
 

beachlover4444

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a relative of mine works on Dumbo. it's a hot mess over there. yes there is going to be issues of kids putting their kids in there and parents not watching them. they dont even know if a castmember will be in there to "babysit" when things get out of hand or heaven forbid it gets overcrowded. yes it's going to slow up the line when they dont answer their pager fast enough. they should just have a height limit for kids riding alone on the ride. the current system is too confusing and they have to move people around so kids will be near their parent and who can ride together and who cant. they arent even sure if someone will monitor the casey jr splash area (that is until someone will undoubtedly get hurt). I love Disney and the parks but there is no common sense anymore. People dont make their kids behave. People cut in line, shove and are rude. They are encouraging the hispanic countries to come back in tour group droves that hugely annoy the heck out of me when they put 1 person in line then when they get near the front 20 more crowd in. It's ridiculously annoying there sometimes and I no longer enjoy it the way I did 15-20 years ago. I hate fastpass. It just slows up the regular line beyond belief. the 80/20 rule is horrible. I hope nextgen is better.
 

Disneyfanman

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I agree. I'm pretty bummed out about it . . .

LM in DCA, really, really, stinks, in certain aspects such as unfinished scenes and cheap-o cut-outs used for Ursula. These cheap scenes which would have been fantastic had they invested a little bit more.

I get the same sort of feel from this queue, a good idea which didn't have enough money, or creativity, to come up with something that 100% was worthy of being in a Disney theme park. The tent costed money to build, but I kinda got worried when I saw that the back was just painted green . . . why not just wrap the tent motiff all the way around? I know that trees are supposed to cover it up from Autopia, but it would have been a nice way to advertise Circusland to see more tent. We're they really that cheap? Certainly the stuff that guests see on the inside would be better . . . now we see something on the inside that probably costs less than $50,000 . . . right?

Uh, I got a bad feeling about FLE.

1. Dumbo: outside looks good, especially at night. Interactive queue cheap and a mob scene. The new land (sub-land?) Storybook Circusland has . . . no new rides.
2. LM . . . hopefully will be much better than what is in DCA, otherwise expect a walk-on attraction with little re-rideability. LM is OK, but its not magical like Peter Pan, or Snow White's Scary Adventures, which is now gone.
3. Dwarfs roller coaster, the crown jewel of the expansion, hopefully will have enough of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to feel that you actually entered their world. Radiator Springs Racer has a great indoor ride section, why not add back some of the scenes from SWSA into the Seven Dwarfs coaster, bump ride time from 3.5 minutes to seven?
4. Beauty and the Beast restaurant. Looks fantastic, but sadly isn't connected to a B&B ride. Should Seven Dwarfs coaster disappoint, this will be the star of the new Fantasyland. I love Snow White, and hope that the coaster is cool, but we're losing the haunted/scary forest that was in SWSA . . . I am most excited about B&B restaurant, I want to see snow fluries while I eat . . .

My entire family of ADULTS loved LM at DCA. Not as magical as Pan or SW? Can't agree. Could it have been better with a bit of tweaking? Sure, but you make it sound like a disaster. I admit that I liked it more as I rode it more because I expected HM like experiences. That was my issue not Disney.
 

preludevtec01

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Very similar to how Tower of Terror isn't aimed at the 2-5 year age group, the new Dumbo queue isn't aimed at the "I feel I'm too old for this" age group.

I can't believe how cynical some of you are getting over every little thing that happens.

Very well said!

Like someone else stated, how many of these complains are coming from people without kids? I bet many are teenagers.

People saying things like a "Mcdonalds Playground" and a "paging system from "Applebees"... This is far beyond a Mcdonalds playground or any playground for that fact. The detail and lighting look fantastic. I know this fact has been beat to death but it is air conditioned. Anyone who says they would rather stand in line, in the heat, is ridiculous. Then the comments about the "Applebees paging", how many Applebees have Jiminy tell you your table is ready! :ROFLOL:

It is a que line still at the end of the day.
 

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