PHOTOS - Disney reveals new lobby design and Trader Sam's lounge for the Polynesian

flynnibus

Premium Member
It also hasn't had an opportunity to be marketed and raise awareness in the gen pop.

Will Disney leave this as a hotel bar.. or pump it up as a destination? Given it's size.. I assume the former.

Maybe once Poly construction finishes up, and with solid awareness marketing it can find a steady demand.
 

Sage of Time

Well-Known Member
I'd temper the enthusiasm. In order to get anything else like this, or heck, even just more unique experiences/merch, WDW will need to see this being a success. I'm sure they have some metric they are expecting the grotto to hit (probably derived from the version in Cali) and if it doesn't hit those numbers, it's deemed a failure and there is no motivation to push for unique drink offerings at resort locations. I'd rather see it regularly packed, maybe a 10-20 minute wait during prime times, than sitting empty like that picture.
They've had waits at opening. This is 10 PM. I don't think there's much of a problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

kkocka

Active Member
Not meant to be an all night kind of place.

Trader Sam's in California is a hotel bar and is definitely an all-night kind of place. In my opinion, Grog Grotto is going about it all wrong - opening at 4 and closing at 12 is extremely limiting. I realize it's only been a week and that all other resort bars are 4-12, but this hurts business. Half of the open hours are family-friendly, which is okay but then starting at 8 you only have 4 hour instead of 6 for the adults. Also when you start telling people at 430 that the wait is 2 hours, it chases people out and away for the rest of the evening. It's equivalent to a closed sign for those who aren't dedicating their remainder of the evening trying to get in.

As another user stated, the staff has a lot to improve upon. Although I could praise a few by name, the rest had a very ty attitude (read: spoiled, entitled, etc) and they need to figure out their routines and refine and mature them. It's a competition for who can get the most attention. Everybody I went in with felt very awkward and wondering if we were supposed to laugh at things or not. To illustrate:

Enchanted Tiki Bar
One skipper calls attention > announces why > hits the effect > others chime in

Grog Grotto
One skipper calls attention > others chime in > nobody sure quite yet what is going on > hits the effect > guests' and bar's flow is interrupted > others still compete to throw in as many one-liners and puns as possible > finally over

A Florida resident described it to me as "when I went to California there were a few 50 year old men behind the bar. I feel like here are a bunch of young kids running around."

A tiki bar should be slow and lax. An occasional effect is great and adds excitement here and there, and to contrast it is the return of the chill exotica music. You hardly have that same experience so far at Grog Grotto. I hope it turns around and they work out the kinks - there's a lot of potential. Don't get me started on the new drinks though - I'll post elsewhere regarding those disappointments.
 

stini228

Active Member
We (2 30 thirtysomethings) much prefer the patio. Live music, lake views, and the castle in the distance...yes please! Inside is insane, fun for about 30 minutes or so. The crowd was quite young while we were there and it sort of felt like a college house party.
 

kkocka

Active Member
crowd was quite young while we were there and it sort of felt like a college house party.

Exactly. I think a lot of college program kids were there. And to relate to what you said, from what I was told nobody is getting tipped worth a crap. With only 7? barseats on the inside, and a lot of servers elsewhere tipping out, cash flow is little. One bartender mentioned that aside from my friend and I, most people weren't tipping.
 

Horizons1

Well-Known Member
Trader Sam's in California is a hotel bar and is definitely an all-night kind of place. In my opinion, Grog Grotto is going about it all wrong - opening at 4 and closing at 12 is extremely limiting. I realize it's only been a week and that all other resort bars are 4-12, but this hurts business. Half of the open hours are family-friendly, which is okay but then starting at 8 you only have 4 hour instead of 6 for the adults. Also when you start telling people at 430 that the wait is 2 hours, it chases people out and away for the rest of the evening. It's equivalent to a closed sign for those who aren't dedicating their remainder of the evening trying to get in.

As another user stated, the staff has a lot to improve upon. Although I could praise a few by name, the rest had a very ****ty attitude (read: spoiled, entitled, etc) and they need to figure out their routines and refine and mature them. It's a competition for who can get the most attention. Everybody I went in with felt very awkward and wondering if we were supposed to laugh at things or not. To illustrate:

Enchanted Tiki Bar
One skipper calls attention > announces why > hits the effect > others chime in

Grog Grotto
One skipper calls attention > others chime in > nobody sure quite yet what is going on > hits the effect > guests' and bar's flow is interrupted > others still compete to throw in as many one-liners and puns as possible > finally over

A Florida resident described it to me as "when I went to California there were a few 50 year old men behind the bar. I feel like here are a bunch of young kids running around."

A tiki bar should be slow and lax. An occasional effect is great and adds excitement here and there, and to contrast it is the return of the chill exotica music. You hardly have that same experience so far at Grog Grotto. I hope it turns around and they work out the kinks - there's a lot of potential. Don't get me started on the new drinks though - I'll post elsewhere regarding those disappointments.
Exactly. Their antics get old fast. I think this highlights the difference in management, training, and philoshies between DL and WDW.
 

betty rose

Well-Known Member
We (2 30 thirtysomethings) much prefer the patio. Live music, lake views, and the castle in the distance...yes please! Inside is insane, fun for about 30 minutes or so. The crowd was quite young while we were there and it sort of felt like a college house party.
Good to know, I'll skip the bar, and get my drink outside. :)
 

71jason

Well-Known Member
They've had waits at opening. This is 10 PM. I don't think there's much of a problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It potentially is though, in the long-run. The people lining up are (duh-duh-duhhhhh) lifestylers (or CMs), curious to try to place and tweet about so they can prove they've been there. They'll all buy at least one mug, so nice opening month bump, but the long-term success of TS:GG will depend on guests, either hotel or restaurant. Guests at the Grand have trouble finding Mizners, which has two doors and plenty of open windows. TS:GG is hidden behind a non-descript door, half the time guarded by a CM. And I'm not sure those looking to chill after a long day in the park are looking for Sam's unique atmosphere.

We all knew the fans would swamp this place for a week or two. Again the question is, who will be the crowd come September?
 

betty rose

Well-Known Member
Exactly. I think a lot of college program kids were there. And to relate to what you said, from what I was told nobody is getting tipped worth a crap. With only 7? barseats on the inside, and a lot of servers elsewhere tipping out, cash flow is little. One bartender mentioned that aside from my friend and I, most people weren't tipping.
Where has appreciation, and good manners gone? Kids if that age should know , people in the service industry live on tips. I've been there and done that, I'm showing my age here, but a quarter was a good tip:greedy:
 

Sage of Time

Well-Known Member
It potentially is though, in the long-run. The people lining up are (duh-duh-duhhhhh) lifestylers (or CMs), curious to try to place and tweet about so they can prove they've been there. They'll all buy at least one mug, so nice opening month bump, but the long-term success of TS:GG will depend on guests, either hotel or restaurant. Guests at the Grand have trouble finding Mizners, which has two doors and plenty of open windows. TS:GG is hidden behind a non-descript door, half the time guarded by a CM. And I'm not sure those looking to chill after a long day in the park are looking for Sam's unique atmosphere.

We all knew the fans would swamp this place for a week or two. Again the question is, who will be the crowd come September?
Decent points. I'm not worried, though. GG, like DLH's Sam's will find its niche.
 

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