PHOTO - Monsters University characters now appearing on the monorail

luv

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When do they take out the castle, because it's "tacky anyway and we can fit some primo marketing in there"
They already had minor advertising on the castle. Remember when they had the bling and advertised different Disney parks?

Give them some time.

Monorails are now like city busses, with cheap ads on them. I will not be surprised to see it defacing our castle.

Oddly enough, I don't mind the Illuminated "Siemens" on the ball. Seems to fit fine...I always appreciate Siemens when I see it, unlike how I feel about Disney when I see this stuff on the monorails.

The Monsters thing is cheesy, doesn't look good in the picture and it is so unnecessary.
 

articos

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I've posted this before but that's not true. Walt Disney LOVED cross promotion. He basically invented it. Disneyland attractions were basically advertisements for media franchises and vice versa.
Walt loved cross-promotion when it suited his needs (when it gave him money to play with) and when he controlled it. Uncle Walt would not allow the monorail wraps to be used on a regular basis, and he would make sure they were darn well creative when they did happen, if someone was able to convince him it was a good and necessary idea. Walt would regularly veto brands trying to intrude too much on his park, and given a choice, he would not have marketing all over the parks. Read back on his early days - he allowed the cross promotion because Roy convinced him it was the best way to obtain the necessary financing. Remember, Walt was a storyteller - yes, he used his various franchises to advertise other Disney product, but he did it in a way that it did not intrude on the story he was trying to tell in that specific instance.
 

articos

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So, you want a Star Wars wrap on a Disneyland monorail?
Actually, I'm somewhat ok with that, if the wrap is great creatively. The DL monorails are just as much ride as they are Transportation, they stay within the confines of the parks and DtD and they are styled somewhat like something out of a SW universe. With the recent wraps, we're also more used to the DL monorails looking less than a monorail that's existed as transportation for decades and more like a ride associated with Disneyland. And they pass through Tomorrowland, which hosts Star Tours.

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but there's a world of difference between DL and WDW's monorails, right down to their basic use.
 

lazyboy97o

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I've posted this before but that's not true. Walt Disney LOVED cross promotion. He basically invented it. Disneyland attractions were basically advertisements for media franchises and vice versa.
Walt love his interests that crossed over into the various mediums with which he worked. The top-down studio-park relationship did not exist until far more recent history. If Disneyland was about marketing it would have done a much better job at staying on such a point instead of, from the get go, veering off into its own direction.
 

RSoxNo1

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To think we used to make sarcastic jokes about this:

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Remember kids: never, ever, post something that might give these clowns ideas. They are always listening. I am perfectly convinced they took their idea - simply by it lingering on in their subconscious - from this famous Yesterland photo, which was a moderatly succesful Disney-meme nearly a decade ago. :confused:

Thank God current TDO is even cheaper than we thought ten years ago. No paint, no new wand-like construction and giant cap, but just a projection. Making all this both better and at the same time worse than we ever even feared.
I said this in another thread - I have absolutely no problem with these projections. It's impressive technology and isn't intrusive like the castle cake. Projectors are totally fine, and I would expect them to use Spaceship Earth as a canvas for projections in the future.
 

peachykeen

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FWIW, a lot of monorail CMs are offended by this "wrap" because one of the cars apparently says "PNK - We're Gonna Tear You to Pieces" with "PNK" being read as "Pink". As nearly every Monorail CM knows, Monorail Teal is made up mostly of cars from the now-retired Monorail Pink (which was involved in the only fatal Monorail collision, in which it's last car was torn to pieces). So they see this reference as disrespectful to say the least, especially on this particular train. Just another thought on the subject.
 

Admiral01

Premium Member
The world's best representation of a complete geodesic sphere is no place for tacky advertisements that do nothing to increase the ambiance or fit with the theme of a park based on a permanent Worlds Fair.

The laser projections on SSE from Illuminations are temporary and fit with the fireworks finale of the day. This projection, and all future projections, will likely do nothing more than advertise some property that has nothing to do with EPCOT. SSE looks amazing at night, and this sort of thing will ruin that.
 

Admiral01

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FWIW, a lot of monorail CMs are offended by this "wrap" because one of the cars apparently says "PNK - We're Gonna Tear You to Pieces" with "PNK" being read as "Pink". As nearly every Monorail CM knows, Monorail Teal is made up mostly of cars from the now-retired Monorail Pink (which was involved in the only fatal Monorail collision, in which it's last car was torn to pieces). So they see this reference as disrespectful to say the least, especially on this particular train. Just another thought on the subject.

I agree, but is the Monorail that the Monsters wrap is on Teal, or is it Blue? I didn't think there were deltas in the picture that was posted earlier... Not that it makes that big of a difference.

EDIT: Nevermind, I realize the concept art doesn't have deltas, but the actual Monorail used is likely Teal. My bad.
 

articos

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FWIW, a lot of monorail CMs are offended by this "wrap" because one of the cars apparently says "PNK - We're Gonna Tear You to Pieces" with "PNK" being read as "Pink". As nearly every Monorail CM knows, Monorail Teal is made up mostly of cars from the now-retired Monorail Pink (which was involved in the only fatal Monorail collision, in which it's last car was torn to pieces). So they see this reference as disrespectful to say the least, especially on this particular train. Just another thought on the subject.
That's rather insensitive. But the art would have been sent over from the Studio, with no input by WDW. And since PNK is part of the movie, they wouldn't have connected the dots. That said, the Transpo manager should have said something and stood their ground to have that edited out of the art, then sent back. Poor judgement. If the monorail CM's are upset and there is no action taken by their management, someone should send a note up the chain to George to make him aware of the issue.
 

PhotoDave219

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I agree, but is the Monorail that the Monsters wrap is on Teal, or is it Blue? I didn't think there were deltas in the picture that was posted earlier... Not that it makes that big of a difference.

EDIT: Nevermind, I realize the concept art doesn't have deltas, but the actual Monorail used is likely Teal. My bad.

It is monorail teal. Look for the white deltas in the middle of each car's stripe to distinguish between that and monorail blue.
 

PhotoDave219

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FWIW, a lot of monorail CMs are offended by this "wrap" because one of the cars apparently says "PNK - We're Gonna Tear You to Pieces" with "PNK" being read as "Pink". As nearly every Monorail CM knows, Monorail Teal is made up mostly of cars from the now-retired Monorail Pink (which was involved in the only fatal Monorail collision, in which it's last car was torn to pieces). So they see this reference as disrespectful to say the least, especially on this particular train. Just another thought on the subject.

Management and marketing being insensitive? Perish the thought....
 

Tim_4

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Walt loved cross-promotion when it suited his needs (when it gave him money to play with) and when he controlled it. Uncle Walt would not allow the monorail wraps to be used on a regular basis, and he would make sure they were darn well creative when they did happen, if someone was able to convince him it was a good and necessary idea. Walt would regularly veto brands trying to intrude too much on his park, and given a choice, he would not have marketing all over the parks. Read back on his early days - he allowed the cross promotion because Roy convinced him it was the best way to obtain the necessary financing. Remember, Walt was a storyteller - yes, he used his various franchises to advertise other Disney product, but he did it in a way that it did not intrude on the story he was trying to tell in that specific instance.
These brands ARE controlled. They're Disney brands. Are you okay with Siemens, Chevrolet, etc sponsoring Epcot attractions? No snark there, I'm legitimately trying to understand where you draw the line.
 

articos

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These brands ARE controlled. They're Disney brands. Are you okay with Siemens, Chevrolet, etc sponsoring Epcot attractions? No snark there, I'm legitimately trying to understand where you draw the line.
No snark assumed. I think we're talking two different issues. I'm fine with sponsors, and I'm fine with integration of/for those sponsors. I'm obvioiusly happiest when we find ways to integrate creatively, for example, when we can put a brand or sponsor in the story in a way that blends, as opposed to beats you over the head, but I do understand the need to keep the money happy. So when the opening announce for ROE says "brought to you by our friends at Siemens" that's fine. The Siemens/Sylvania/GE branding on SSE post show is non-obtrusive, and there's a "coolness" factor because of the laser used to project it, so I'm ok with that as well. It's end of the night, you've just ended on an emotional high note, there's nothing still open, and it draws your attention to the exit and to SSE's majesty. That's ok. If they ended by projecting a full scale commercial for Siemens or Sylvania or GE on the face of SSE, that is not - it's obtrusive, and breaks a wall of the theme that Epcot is built around.

The monorails are a different story. They're transportation, and they're not sponsored, nor are they in a park. As such, they are a part of the overall structure and theme of the property. That overall story is one of leaving the outside world behind, and entering a zone that is free of visual intrusion, unsightly utilities, et al. You don't see bus benches with ads or strip malls with ugly signage or city buses with ads on them like you do when you exit Lake Buena Vista and travel down Sand Lake Road or OBT or what have you. Further, the monorails are a fairly one-of-a-kind sight or experience. You don't see sleek monorails gliding down the street in your average city. So, they're something that catches the eye. By adding advertisements, you cheapen them. Even for an in-house synergy, it's heightening brand awareness of one product at the expense of the visual experience of what is generally looked at as a high-class form of transportation. Made worse by the fact that these types of ads are ubiquitous on city busses now, which are generally looked at as one of the more mundane forms of transportation...it blindly equates the monorails to city busses in our minds, intentional or not, and it takes us right back to the world that LBV is trying to differentiate from. Plus, they don't need this advertising. There are other ways to get mindshare without it being at the expense of something else.

I'd be more willing to say, fine, if the Studio wants ad space, give them an extra billboard on the property. Make it clean, and match the other highly stylized ones on the property. Put up period ads over at Boardwalk - blend them to the surroundings. Pixar would jump at the chance to create some 20s style ads for MU. That is creative that Walt would have gone for. Slapping the characters on the monorail is not. It's just lazy creative because the designer doesn't know the monorail is anything more than what he would design for a bus. I'd even be fine with putting the characters up on the Earful Tower hanging a sheet with the MU logo/some catchphrase/whatever else off the side, because although it's a cheap way to get away with doing minimal creative work, it's a prank that a college character would do, and therefore fits the theming, plus it's at Studios, where there's already a Pixar presence, in arguably a higher visibility location on the Tower next to major roadways. It's just no one thought of that - because it's now the new "thing" there's a thought process of "hey, what can we put on the monorail now?" instead of thinking "what's the best way to creatively advertise this IP/property/movie that fits the surroundings?"

Make sense?
 

articos

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Also, to clarify with regards to the SSE projection - I'm not bothered by Mike, because it's a one-off. It's a specific projection for a specific event. I'm more concerned by the precedent it sets and the lack of thought that marketing puts into the whole of the event/project/what have you, as opposed to simply getting excited about an idea and charging like a bull in a china shop. The company needs to start teaching a cohesiveness again about story and theme and basics to their executives and cast members...something valuable is being lost.
 

WDWFigment

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The Monsters monorail doesn't bother me as much as the other wraps (although I'd still prefer it wrap-free), because it blends with the look of the monorail better. It isn't just a thoughtless "city-bus" wrap.

As for Mike on Spaceship Earth, I don't care at this point because it's a one-off. Unlike the dragon, I won't mind not being able to see this. If it were to happen every night this summer, that would be a totally different story. I do think they are potentially good uses of the SSE projection "technology," though.
 

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