Pfizer Vaccine News

GoofGoof

Premium Member
With all due respect...you are both slightly right here. If you read the history of science, it does indeed involve people thinking up new ideas. The whole idea of the first vaccine came about because someone considered another possibility. Before the first vaccine, they didn't exist.

Even what I have read about this newest vaccine has required someone to consider something that didn't previously exist. Most prior vaccines protect people from bacterial infections. Developing vaccines against viral infections is much more challenging, because of how often they mutate. Several of the new vaccines involve techniques that have not been previously used when creating other vaccines. Again, they required new thinking.

From what I have read about this vaccine, it was shown to be 90% effective, but to date, they are still evaluating how long (after the 2nd dose) that protection lasts. The 90% rate was based on an assessment that occurred a mere 1 week after the second dose was given. From Pfizer's own website,

"Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing to accumulate safety data and currently estimate that a median of two months of safety data following the second (and final) dose of the vaccine candidate – the amount of safety data specified by the FDA in its guidance for potential Emergency Use Authorization – will be available by the third week of November. Additionally, participants will continue to be monitored for long-term protection and safety for an additional two years after their second dose."

Simply, there is a reason Pfizer is going to continue to monitor test participants for a period of 2 years, and can't move ahead until they have at least a few more weeks of data. I say this as someone who just posted in another thread, that we should all make sure we are up to date on our vaccines. I think that is the least we an do for our health care workers this year. That said, I recently updated my own vaccines, 3 in one day, and phew! The 3 all at once through my body for a loop!

Bad vaccine reactions are a possibility, especially when adjuvants and preservatives are added. To suggest otherwise is dangerous. We don't have to resort to wild conspiracy theories. This information is posted right on the WHO and CDC websites. Pregnant women are NOT supposed to get certain vaccines! It is absolutely too soon to know if this new vaccine is safe for pregnant women. DTaP causes fever (1/4 of population), redness/swelling (1/4 of population). Up to 1 in 30 children get swelling of the entire leg/arm that lasts up to a week following the DTaP vaccine. Potential side effects include: seizures, non-stop crying for 3 hours or more, and high fever (over 105°F) after DTaP vaccination. "Very rarely" long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness, or permanent brain damage may happen after DTaP vaccination. As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a severe allergic reaction, other serious injury, or death."

This is not random stuff I'm making up, this information that comes directly from the CDC. There is even a HHS website/hotline we are supposed to contact to report adverse vaccine reactions. It happens.

And this is Pfizer. Pfizer set the record for the largest health care fraud settlement and the largest criminal fine of any kind back in 2009 (Bextra). The settlement was for $2.3 billion dollars. Pfizer is the maker of Prempro ($1 billion in breast cancer lawsuits), Chantix ($288 million), Rezulin ($60 million), Bextra/Celebrex ( company set aside $894 million to settle lawsuits in 2008) As recent as 1996, Pfizer conducted an unapproved trial on children in Nigeria. Eleven children died, and Pfizer suit was settled in 2011 for $75 million to the state of Kano, plus another undisclosed additional sum in 2011. In 2014, the company settled $45 million in bribery charges. The company has a number of citations/settlements for dumping chemicals in various US waterways. ($3.1million in 1991, $1.5 million in 1994, $625,000 in 1998. $975,000 in 2008, ....)

This is also the company that makes the drug that is in the Epi-pen. The price went from $57 in 2007 to $500 in 2016. There was also an effort to stop selling single epi-pens, instead only selling them in two-packs. Oh, and if that wasn't enough, the Epi-pen was misclassified/lowballed on Medicare - to the tune of 1.27 billion of our money, ending in a settlement of $465 million.

So, um, while this is good news, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic for the time being.

To answer OP's question, yes, this good news has me cautiously dreaming of a return to normal.
Based on this logic you should never take a medication or a vaccine again. Every major pharmaceutical company out there has had drugs they were sued over. This isn’t a Pfizer thing. Moderna is expected to release the results of their trial soon once they are unblinded. Maybe they have less history ;)

The vast majority of adverse reactions to a vaccine are minor to moderate and even the severe ones are mostly not life threatening and they don’t have long lasting impacts. There are rare exceptions, but those exceptions are nowhere near as common as the serious reactions to Covid let alone the deaths. I don’t have the exact numbers but my guess would be more people died just today from Covid in the US than have died in many decades and maybe all time from all vaccines combined. There are some risks, but certainly well worth the reward IMHO.
 

Calmdownnow

Well-Known Member
Pfizer IS a part of Warp Speed. They just didn't take any development money, did it on their own dime.
Well not really... They took a ruck of money from the European Union and from the German government. That's why the EU's initial purchase is 200 million doses (enough for 100 million people), whilst the US gets 100 million doses initially (enough for 50 million people). EU has options on another 100 million doses, while the US has options on up to 500 million doses later.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Well not really... They took a ruck of money from the European Union and from the German government. That's why the EU's initial purchase is 200 million doses (enough for 100 million people), whilst the US gets 100 million doses initially (enough for 50 million people). EU has options on another 100 million doses, while the US has options on up to 500 million doses later.
They haven’t been paid a dime by the EU or the US government. They get paid when they deliver the vaccine doses.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Some new polling shows that if a vaccine were at least 75% effective almost 2/3 of Americans said they would take it. I hope Moderna’s vaccine also has a high effective rate when they announce soon.

 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
With all due respect...you are both slightly right here. If you read the history of science, it does indeed involve people thinking up new ideas. The whole idea of the first vaccine came about because someone considered another possibility. Before the first vaccine, they didn't exist.

No, we're not both right. The claim that vaccines causes autism was a false claim to begin with based on falsifying information. The original author recanted the study.

In my post I very clearly stated that science has room for opposing hypotheses, but they must be tested scientifically. Not just thrown out there and then telling people they need to prove their wild theory is wrong. That's not how science works. They have to prove their wild theory is correct. That's how science works.


Bad vaccine reactions are a possibility, especially when adjuvants and preservatives are added. To suggest otherwise is dangerous.

This is not random stuff I'm making up, this information that comes directly from the CDC. There is even a HHS website/hotline we are supposed to contact to report adverse vaccine reactions. It happens.

You're doing *exactly* what the anti-vaxxers do: You move the goal posts and switch the argument to scientifically accepted evidence that vaccines can cause adverse reactions. I never said they don't. Don't have the slightest clue why you bring that up... except to try to give credence to the wild unproven theory that vaccines cause autism.

So? What does these adverse reactions have to do with autism? I'll tell you: nothing. If you think they might, then prove it using the scientific method. That's how science works.
 

FettFan

Well-Known Member

Pfizer Vaccine News​


Yes...Im very uplifted by the news,


My face right now:
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lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
With all due respect...you are both slightly right here. If you read the history of science, it does indeed involve people thinking up new ideas. The whole idea of the first vaccine came about because someone considered another possibility. Before the first vaccine, they didn't exist.
Edward Jenner didn’t just get to declare the idea of vaccines. He had to demonstrate that his idea worked. If you may the claim you have to provide the evidence.
Most prior vaccines protect people from bacterial infections. Developing vaccines against viral infections is much more challenging, because of how often they mutate.
Just, no.
This is not random stuff I'm making up, this information that comes directly from the CDC. There is even a HHS website/hotline we are supposed to contact to report adverse vaccine reactions. It happens.
These possibilities are all far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far less than the negative outcomes caused by the diseases they prevent.
 

correcaminos

Well-Known Member
Hey if you want to get go right ahead. I’m not keen on it.
To be honest I never asked what people do. Being pig headed and proud is not smart. I care what others do so I can see family in extended care facilities sooner than later. Many of us haven't been able to go in for a long time. It's lonely.

Was reading that for concerts vaccines will be required or testing (an article similar to what I read was posted above) . So all the naysayers who don't trust out of no real good reasons enjoy your time at home. Me? I feel so much safer with this vaccine starting to float around. We are 99% sure I got it due to side effects (tetanus shot like reactions) and I feel safer because of it.

Being contrary is not a good quality though and not something I'd be proud to share. I'm a huge proponent of these vaccines and honestly so tired of adults not following instructions based on science. Don't want a vaccine? Stay away from everyone else and if you have to be out, put a real mask on. Sorry....
 

NickMaio

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I forget how people can be so uncompassionate online. I mean, I just saw a person call for the all out extermination of President's Trump life, over on the political thread, and didn't care one bit. I guess the internet can be a real fun place huh.
For a so-called Disney fan forum - - this place is the worst on ANY forum I have been on. It can bring out the worst in people.

I feel that a statistical analysis of 40,000 people is nowhere near the same as giving this vaccine to billions of people. Yes of course you can not do a trial with billions. This makes me hesitant - I will wait and see what happens. For this I get called someone who is a science-non-believer?

Anyone remember thalidomide? They are not the same - however the idea is the same. I feel that not enough time has passed to give a true picture of the vaccine and any drawback. Especially in children and pregnant women. It is being rushed for the sake of ...... oh profit!!! Not for the betterment of society.

My community took this virus seriously and we all did out part - the virus is in our community with a population of 1 million in the single digits. I feel safe enough that my family and I can wait.

I remember the covid thread when it started - - - - full of jokers and hoaxers.
America made their bed on the global scale, I will sit back and watch how your virus plays out with this vaccine.
Call me whatever your childish mind can think of.

As a side note - - - vaccines take years to perfect not months. No matter how much money is thrown at them. They require the time to observe any changes in the participants - - - - - time. Money can not speed this up.
 

NickMaio

Well-Known Member
To be honest I never asked what people do. Being pig headed and proud is not smart. I care what others do so I can see family in extended care facilities sooner than later. Many of us haven't been able to go in for a long time. It's lonely.

Was reading that for concerts vaccines will be required or testing (an article similar to what I read was posted above) . So all the naysayers who don't trust out of no real good reasons enjoy your time at home. Me? I feel so much safer with this vaccine starting to float around. We are 99% sure I got it due to side effects (tetanus shot like reactions) and I feel safer because of it.

Being contrary is not a good quality though and not something I'd be proud to share. I'm a huge proponent of these vaccines and honestly so tired of adults not following instructions based on science. Don't want a vaccine? Stay away from everyone else and if you have to be out, put a real mask on. Sorry....
You wrote back in April - -This is not an opinion or weirdly brought up out of no where. medical friends have pointed this out. Look at research done. Heat and humidity kill off coronavirus strands. I'm not sure why you are reacting so over the top to my comment. My comment was based on science. - - - -

This is simply not true--------Look at the virus numbers over the summer in Florida or any hot state.
Go science!!!
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
For a so-called Disney fan forum - - this place is the worst on ANY forum I have been on. It can bring out the worst in people.

I feel that a statistical analysis of 40,000 people is nowhere near the same as giving this vaccine to billions of people. Yes of course you can not do a trial with billions. This makes me hesitant - I will wait and see what happens. For this I get called someone who is a science-non-believer?

Anyone remember thalidomide?
They are not the same - however the idea is the same. I feel that not enough time has passed to give a true picture of the vaccine and any drawback. Especially in children and pregnant women. It is being rushed for the sake of ...... oh profit!!! Not for the betterment of society.

As a side note - - - vaccines take years to perfect not months. No matter how much money is thrown at them. They require the time to observe any changes in the participants - - - - - time. Money can not speed this up.
The vaccines under study now have more participants than any in history. You won't get anything better. Plus, the vaccine will likely be given to an additional several hundred thousand health care workers by the time it reaches the general public. That's a huge sample for post-marketing surveillance.

Thalidomide was never approved in the US for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women. The US cases of birth defects all occurred from spouses of military members stationed overseas, particularly in West Germany. The FDA actually did their due diligence with this medication.

Vaccines traditionally took years to develop due to financial issues, not necessarily the science.

Side-effect surveillance for previous vaccines under study was typically 2-3 months. Nothing different here for these vaccines.
 

rangerbob

Well-Known Member
Curious what side effects you had. We are very sure I got the BioNTech one as well. Minimal side effects. Worst for me was sore arm for 2 days. The flu shot I had 2 weeks after my last shot was much less painful. I say the covid was about like a tetanus shot personally

Leaving this there for you.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington
It felt like I landed up with a head cold that lasted overnight and then the next day landed up with a fever that spiked up to 99.8 and was gone within 2 hours. Wasn't too bad. I'll see what happens after the 2nd injection.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I feel that a statistical analysis of 40,000 people is nowhere near the same as giving this vaccine to billions of people. Yes of course you can not do a trial with billions. This makes me hesitant - I will wait and see what happens. For this I get called someone who is a science-non-believer?
A well designed study can be very close. These vaccine trials are huge in the number of participants involved.

Anyone remember thalidomide? They are not the same - however the idea is the same. I feel that not enough time has passed to give a true picture of the vaccine and any drawback. Especially in children and pregnant women. It is being rushed for the sake of ...... oh profit!!! Not for the betterment of society.
A vaccine is not the same as a medication. You don’t take it continuously over a longer period of time. What vaccine had serious side effects months or years after administration? No vaccine is going to be approved for use in children or pregnant women without study. Most of the companies involved are also doing work at cost, so not exactly a good strategy for profit.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
Even what I have read about this newest vaccine has required someone to consider something that didn't previously exist. Most prior vaccines protect people from bacterial infections. Developing vaccines against viral infections is much more challenging, because of how often they mutate. Several of the new vaccines involve techniques that have not been previously used when creating other vaccines. Again, they required new thinking.
Nope. Measles, mumps, rubella, influenza, polio, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, varicella, HPV, rotavirus, and shingles are all viral illnesses and all have vaccines, not to mention the now-eradicated smallpox and several other viral illnesses uncommon in the US that also have vaccines available.
 

rangerbob

Well-Known Member
The placebo group is half the size of the study. It’s a 50/50 split.

As far as the history of vaccines there have been very few serious issues on record and many vaccines that have few or no serious adverse reactions. The most serious adverse events related to allergic reactions to the vaccine itself. I am not aware of documented cases of companies hiding deaths and illness with vaccines but I’d be interested in seeing some more details on what and when those things happened. Even the most dangerous vaccine in existence for Small Pox the death rate is 1-2 people per million. If the Covid vaccine was that dangerous (highly unlikely) and 220M Americans got it that’s 220 to 440 deaths. Over 1,000 people died from Covid in the US just yesterday. Probably worth the risk.
With AstraZeneca it is 2 to 1 for the placebo.
 

Calmdownnow

Well-Known Member
They haven’t been paid a dime by the EU or the US government. They get paid when they deliver the vaccine doses.
The company who developed this vaccine for/with Pfizer got 100 million Euros from the EU's Investment Bank on June 11th, signed an advance purchase contract with the EU and received 375 million Euros from the German Government in September.
 

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