Pfizer Vaccine News

GoofGoof

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On the timing of vaccinations, Dr Fauci was interviewed yesterday and said that the general public should be able to get the vaccine by April. I saw it on TV so don’t have a clip, but it seems like that’s in line with what others in the government seem to think. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to happen since there are a lot of moving parts to this, but it’s good news that they aren’t saying the second half of 2021 anymore. If several vaccines get approved instead of just 1 that should also speed up the process.
 

Trackmaster

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Both administrations need to be on it before it becomes a need for the new president. Timeline is all healthcare, first responders, and high risk people in extended care facilities by January. Then they need to work together to make the time during transition smooth as well for this. The generic government should do everything in their power to get all who can be vaccinated to be vaccinated.

I am 100% understanding of those with real and true medical exceptions. I don't want to punish them, but no real care for those who are anti-vaxxers. How one group can believe a proven falsified report so many years later is appalling to me. I don't care if they have limited abilities to move around because of a choice. Call me callous but I am sick of people denying sciences lately.

If you have pre-existing conditions that prohibit you for getting a vaccine, the last thing that you need is to actually get full blown Covid, so that's a weak argument. If you can't get a vaccine you need to be quarantining until this situation is way behind us. Being able to go out and about and superspread is not a right. I see them being able to go out and about and refusing the vaccine as a comfort issue, and our right to be safe and restart the economy trumps emotional social comfort concerns.
 

LastoneOn

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On the timing of vaccinations, Dr Fauci was interviewed yesterday and said that the general public should be able to get the vaccine by April.
Dr Fauci is not the "new guy" and the "new guy's" head honcho for all of this has said the rest of the world will get it before the US.

As for a few things mentioned in the last 4 pages:

Pfizer IS a part of Warp Speed. They just didn't take any development money, did it on their own dime.
If Pfizer had time to do the trials and its been ok'd, then the others will be ok too. In other words Pfizer is FIRST and yet some of you seem to think "they aren't part of warp speed = its SUPER LEGIT". Yet, they are first. So they didn't take years either now did they??
Projected 90% is based on the trials. That's what trials are about.
If you want to wait a few years or forever go right ahead - but if while you wait you insist the rest of us continue to parade around in PPE to protect your little 'ole self, you're insane.

TTFN!
 

Seanual757

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On the timing of vaccinations, Dr Fauci was interviewed yesterday and said that the general public should be able to get the vaccine by April. I saw it on TV so don’t have a clip, but it seems like that’s in line with what others in the government seem to think. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed to happen since there are a lot of moving parts to this, but it’s good news that they aren’t saying the second half of 2021 anymore. If several vaccines get approved instead of just 1 that should also speed up the process.

I am still going to plan for early summer the logistics I think will be the bottleneck and I have no confidence the government is ready. Hopefully they will leave it up to the individual states and counties to get a detailed plan together.
 

JusticeDisney

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Welp, if anyone needed any proof as to how ridiculous we are as a people, look no further than this thread. I started this thread simply to see if the vaccine news had others feeling a bit uplifted like me, and it gets hijacked and turned into an argument over vaccine science and efficacy. Awesome. Wish I could say I am surprised.
 
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Parker in NYC

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Welp, if anyone needed any proof as to how ridiculous we are as a people, look no further than this thread. I started this thread simply to see of the vaccine news had others feeling a bit uplifted like me, and it gets hijacked and turned into an argument over vaccine science and efficacy. Awesome. Wish I could say I am surprised.
Hold on, this is the proof you needed?
 

correcaminos

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If you have pre-existing conditions that prohibit you for getting a vaccine, the last thing that you need is to actually get full blown Covid, so that's a weak argument. If you can't get a vaccine you need to be quarantining until this situation is way behind us. Being able to go out and about and superspread is not a right. I see them being able to go out and about and refusing the vaccine as a comfort issue, and our right to be safe and restart the economy trumps emotional social comfort concerns.
I agree on that. I was stating that those who cannot get a vaccine (not preexisting conditions for covid) need those who can get them to protect them. I don't want these people to live sucky lives because those who think they know better than real medical people aren't doing their job by getting one. I don't want them to suffer due to fools.
 

Trackmaster

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Welp, if anyone needed any proof as to how ridiculous we are as a people, look no further than this thread. I started this thread simply to see of the vaccine news had others feeling a bit uplifted like me, and it gets hijacked and turned into an argument over vaccine science and efficacy. Awesome. Wish I could say I am surprised.

Just be happy that your thread caught on. That's always a matter of personal pride for me. If we stuck to boring and pointless conversation and played nice, it would just fade into obscurity. The point of conversations is to learn something and to interact, not just blather on about who knows what.
 

correcaminos

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I guess that is me that is taking the plunge first. I'm nearly 99% positive that I received the AstraZenica vaccine for Covid last week. See if I feel the same way after the next shot and then I will know.
Curious what side effects you had. We are very sure I got the BioNTech one as well. Minimal side effects. Worst for me was sore arm for 2 days. The flu shot I had 2 weeks after my last shot was much less painful. I say the covid was about like a tetanus shot personally
Dr Fauci is not the "new guy" and the "new guy's" head honcho for all of this has said the rest of the world will get it before the US.

As for a few things mentioned in the last 4 pages:

Pfizer IS a part of Warp Speed. They just didn't take any development money, did it on their own dime.
If Pfizer had time to do the trials and its been ok'd, then the others will be ok too. In other words Pfizer is FIRST and yet some of you seem to think "they aren't part of warp speed = its SUPER LEGIT". Yet, they are first. So they didn't take years either now did they??
Projected 90% is based on the trials. That's what trials are about.
If you want to wait a few years or forever go right ahead - but if while you wait you insist the rest of us continue to parade around in PPE to protect your little 'ole self, you're insane.

TTFN!
Leaving this there for you.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington
 

aliceismad

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While I think it should be noted that this press release has not been peer reviewed, I do think it's an extraordinary step forward, and I hope this and the many other vaccines in development help us move toward a safer world. Definitely hoping a Disney trip is a possibility for my little family by next fall or 2022.

BTW, the NYT has a vaccine tracker up that I found pretty fascinating for a layperson. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Dr Fauci is not the "new guy" and the "new guy's" head honcho for all of this has said the rest of the world will get it before the US.

As for a few things mentioned in the last 4 pages:

Pfizer IS a part of Warp Speed. They just didn't take any development money, did it on their own dime.
If Pfizer had time to do the trials and its been ok'd, then the others will be ok too. In other words Pfizer is FIRST and yet some of you seem to think "they aren't part of warp speed = its SUPER LEGIT". Yet, they are first. So they didn't take years either now did they??
Projected 90% is based on the trials. That's what trials are about.
If you want to wait a few years or forever go right ahead - but if while you wait you insist the rest of us continue to parade around in PPE to protect your little 'ole self, you're insane.

TTFN!
Nobody said the rest of the world gets the vaccine before the US. Just political banter, no truth to it. The statement made was that once the US reached enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity that the vaccine should be shared with the rest of the world instead of kept here. It will be a tough sell to even get that many people to take the vaccine. I posted details earlier, but we would likely need to get 220M people or 2/3 of the population vaccinated to reach herd immunity

Politics has no place in discussion of the vaccine. I could care less who anyone wants to give credit to for the vaccine as long as it works and people take it. Pfizer developed the vaccine at risk and will only get paid by the US government once they deliver the vaccine. They are distributing the vaccine on their own without using McKesson who was contracted by Warp Speed to coordinate that. Other companies took upfront money for development and also are planning to use McKesson for distribution. So while Pfizer is still selling the doses to the US government under the Warp Speed program they are not using Warp Speed resources in any other way. Whether people want to say that means they are part of Warp Speed or not is irrelevant to me, just political BS.

The Pfizer clinical trial was run based on well established standards. There is nothing political about the process. People need to trust the science and do their own research once results are published instead of listening to nonsense they see on Facebook.

edit: the actual quote on the fair priority model:
The model allows the country that produces the vaccine to hold onto enough of a supply to reach a threshold for herd immunity ("Rt below 1"). Beyond that, the model supports distributing the vaccine internationally, which means giving away or selling doses of the vaccine before it's available to every citizen in that country, Emanuel explained to Scientific American.
This is vastly different than giving it to the rest of the world before the US gets it. Here‘s the full article:

 
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GoofGoof

Premium Member
I am still going to plan for early summer the logistics I think will be the bottleneck and I have no confidence the government is ready. Hopefully they will leave it up to the individual states and counties to get a detailed plan together.
Yeah, April would be best case. We also don’t know if/when other vaccines come through. If there are 3 or 4 vaccines sharing the needs it can be done faster.
 

JIMINYCR

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I said if you do not vaccinate. Twist words all you like but all vaccines go through trials like this. I took 2 shots and lived to tell the tale. It baffles me that anyone is anything but happy about a 90% effective vaccine that has few side effects. If you are against all vaccines then yes, you are someone who denies science. If you are against this one because of some crazy conspiracy theory then that's just as bad. They took no shortcuts. I'm personally thrilled to have been a part of the trial but I like science
Hey, its great you went through the trials and everything went well for you. Yes.. its exciting and positive news that theres hope for a vaccine that will tackle this problem. And I also dont deny science. But again... until this gets out to the public in large scale numbers, and we see results, positive and negative... theres no one who can say its not without problems. There has NEVER been a vaccine that has been 100% free of problems. In the trials out of 40,000 test subjects, how many were given a placebo? And in the past there have been companies that have skewed the results of trials, burying illnesses and even deaths of subjects in order to push out their medicines. So Yes, again I stand with my original post that we cant tell what it will do until it gets delivered and used in mass quantities.
And yes...theres no denying that science is most of the time right... but not always.
 

John park hopper

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Absolutely nothing in life is without risk, will there be a segment of the population the that has side effects from this vaccine --sure but the benefit of making it available out weighs the risk. As far as the company fudging data IMO this will be so highly scrutinized by the scientific community it is unlikely to occur.
 

JIMINYCR

Well-Known Member
Except those parents are wrong. It's been disproven over and over.
No it hasnt been disproven. Like many issues, medical and otherwise, you can find some medical Drs that will say one thing and others say the opposite. If you side with one, thats how you will argue.
Here is one of the other sides. I'm not a DR nor do I have a child with autism, but there is enough causal evidence that it does make me question the validity of the statement... Vaccines do not cause Autism.


As of March 2nd, 2020, the CDC has admitted in federal court that they do not have any evidence proving that vaccines given to babies don’t cause autism. For years they claimed that the studies had been done, the evidence was clear, and that there was a consensus: “vaccines don’t cause autism.” Yet, this was a lie.

An organization called the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) was instrumental in bringing forth this admission. As they stated in their own press release:

In summer 2019, ICAN submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the CDC requesting “All studies relied upon by CDC to claim that the DTaP vaccine does not cause autism.” ICAN also submitted this same request for HepB, Hib, PCV13 and IPV, as well as requesting the CDC provide studies to support the cumulative exposure to these vaccines during the first six months of life do not cause autism. Despite months of demands, the CDC failed to produce a single specific study in response to these FOIA requests. ICAN was therefore forced to sue the CDC in federal court, where the CDC finally conceded, in a stipulation signed by a Federal court judge, that that it has no studies to support that any of these vaccines do not cause autism EDT - Details)In short, the CDC provided a list of studies that were to claim vaccines did not cause autism, only, none of these studies proved that. Part of the list was a recent review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM), which was paid for by the CDC. This study performed a comprehensive review of studies relating to the DTaP vaccine. It was looking to determine whether or not the vaccine does or does not cause autism. The IOM was unable to identify a single study to support that DTaP does not cause autism. What they did find was a single study that did show an association between DTaP and autism.

So for years, the CDC falsely claimed that “vaccines don’t cause autism.” This was based on no evidence, no studies, no science, just speculation. In turn, those that questioned vaccines were called anti-vaxxers, unscientific and extreme about their views, yet were they wrong to claim that vaccines may cause autism and that they don’t feel they are safe? It doesn’t seem to be the case when you consider that a look at the science and evidence available suggests it’s highly likely that vaccinees do play a role in autism. This, as we know now, has not been debunked nor fully proven.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Hey, its great you went through the trials and everything went well for you. Yes.. its exciting and positive news that theres hope for a vaccine that will tackle this problem. And I also dont deny science. But again... until this gets out to the public in large scale numbers, and we see results, positive and negative... theres no one who can say its not without problems. There has NEVER been a vaccine that has been 100% free of problems. In the trials out of 40,000 test subjects, how many were given a placebo? And in the past there have been companies that have skewed the results of trials, burying illnesses and even deaths of subjects in order to push out their medicines. So Yes, again I stand with my original post that we cant tell what it will do until it gets delivered and used in mass quantities.
And yes...theres no denying that science is most of the time right... but not always.
The placebo group is half the size of the study. It’s a 50/50 split.

As far as the history of vaccines there have been very few serious issues on record and many vaccines that have few or no serious adverse reactions. The most serious adverse events related to allergic reactions to the vaccine itself. I am not aware of documented cases of companies hiding deaths and illness with vaccines but I’d be interested in seeing some more details on what and when those things happened. Even the most dangerous vaccine in existence for Small Pox the death rate is 1-2 people per million. If the Covid vaccine was that dangerous (highly unlikely) and 220M Americans got it that’s 220 to 440 deaths. Over 1,000 people died from Covid in the US just yesterday. Probably worth the risk.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
No it hasnt been disproven. Like many issues, medical and otherwise, you can find some medical Drs that will say one thing and others say the opposite. If you side with one, thats how you will argue.
Here is one of the other sides. I'm not a DR nor do I have a child with autism, but there is enough causal evidence that it does make me question the validity of the statement... Vaccines do not cause Autism.


As of March 2nd, 2020, the CDC has admitted in federal court that they do not have any evidence proving that vaccines given to babies don’t cause autism. For years they claimed that the studies had been done, the evidence was clear, and that there was a consensus: “vaccines don’t cause autism.” Yet, this was a lie.

An organization called the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) was instrumental in bringing forth this admission. As they stated in their own press release:



So for years, the CDC falsely claimed that “vaccines don’t cause autism.” This was based on no evidence, no studies, no science, just speculation. In turn, those that questioned vaccines were called anti-vaxxers, unscientific and extreme about their views, yet were they wrong to claim that vaccines may cause autism and that they don’t feel they are safe? It doesn’t seem to be the case when you consider that a look at the science and evidence available suggests it’s highly likely that vaccinees do play a role in autism. This, as we know now, has not been debunked nor fully proven.
I also have no proof Dole Whip doesn‘t cause autism...that doesn’t mean it does or that I’m going to stop eating it 🤣
 

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