Pfizer Vaccine News

[NelleBelle]

This will likely not be the only vaccine that gets approval. The Moderna vaccine, which also is mRNA-based, is expected to pass their trials soon which will also help with production numbers.

I wonder if they will do something like this.
Example, give it to workers who are in close proximity of one another, has had a history of getting covid, but if something happens they work in an industry that wouldnt cripple the area (ie not nurses)

Very deep ethical decisions here.

ps I'm not implying that my example is what should happen... just trying to capture the concept if that makes sense.

Unclear why you would not give vaccine to front-line workers first (ie nurses—or any other healthcare worker who daily works with COVID)? As someone who worked in healthcare, I have many family and friends who put their lives on the line to work with patients with COVID, some of whom are in the ER and don’t know a person even HAS it until they have tested positive for it. My mom took cate of a pt in the ER 2-was ago that was there for something intelated to COVID (surgical complications) but because they needed to admit him, they ran a COVID test and it came back positive. He was 25. My mom had PPE on but not COVID PPE, which they only don if they know someone is positive or suspect has it. She herself is at high risk. Healthcare workers like her and her colleagues are who I think of when they say “front-line” workers and my old colleagues in the ICU who are taking care of these pts. If hospitals run out of beds, they can make more “ beds out of field hospitals—but they can’t manufacture physicians, nurses, respiratory therapists, custodians/housekeepers, etc when there is a huge surge.

 

[Chicken Guy]

This might be inconsequential, but I wonder what has to happen during the time between doses taken. Would getting the virus in between doses have an impact on the vaccine’s effectiveness?

 

[NickMaio]

Do you vaccinate anyone? Cuz this is how it works for vaccines. If not, sorry I have nothing else to say to science deniers.


This was not political at all. A German company teamed up with an American one. Took no federal funding. It was for the good of the world not politics.

Science deniers? What are you on about?
How 40 000 people handle a vaccine will be different than 1-2-3 billion.
That's all I am saying.
I'm not pumping a rushed vaccine into my body. No thanks.
Have at it though....

 

[eliza61nyc]

As a scientist, it's extremely good news. Last I read it will go to front line workers first.

 

[NickMaio]

Definition of STATISTICS

a branch of mathematics dealing with the collection, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of masses of numerical data; a collection of quantitative data… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Look into it.

Look into............the definition of statistics.
Sure.
I dont even know why I come here anymore.
A 40 000 person pool of data over a few months is nothing like 1 billion over years.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Science deniers? What are you on about?
How 40 000 people handle a vaccine will be different than 1-2-3 billion.
That's all I am saying.
I'm not pumping a rushed vaccine into my body. No thanks.
Have at it though....

Nick, NO vaccine on the planet has gone through a trial of 1 billion people.

People want 100% guarantees, that's a love story not medicine.

I'm also part of a clinical trial (not this one), to determine some effects on the African American population which has been ravaged.
By your litmus test we wouldn't vaccinate against anything because we don't know how any of them will effect 2 billion people. Flu vaccine changes every freaking season.
Every drug on the planet will have someone that has am adverse reaction, lol that's why the have those 25 minute disclaimers at the end of commercials.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here’s some details on who gets the vaccine first:

Who gets the COVID-19 vaccine first? CDC committee meets to start the discussion

The CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices sets guidelines for who should get vaccines once they’re authorized by the Food and Drug Administration. It held one of its three times a year open meetings this week, ending with a full-day discussion of COVID-19 vaccines on Friday.

www.usatoday.com

The CDC will ultimately decide, but healthcare workers, first responders and high risk people seem to be in the first wave and then everyone else. Since trials were later starting for kids they may he later in the roll out.

 

[eliza61nyc]

I also read that UPS, FedEx and other shipping companies are retrofitting trucks for delivery since it has to be kept extremely cold.

I think it's going to be late 3rd quarter 2021 before the general public gets a crack at it

 

[Chi84]

Nick, NO vaccine on the planet has gone through a trial of 1 billion people.

People want 100% guarantees, that's a love story not medicine.

I'm also part of a clinical trial (not this one), to determine some effects on the African American population which has been ravaged.
By your litmus test we wouldn't vaccinate against anything because we don't know how any of them will effect 2 billion people. Flu vaccine changes every freaking season.
Every drug on the planet will have someone that has am adverse reaction, lol that's why the have those 25 minute disclaimers at the end of commercials.

They’re only 25 minutes?

 

[GoofGoof]

This vaccine being 90% effective is good news. However if enough people don’t get it then it’s not going to matter. For the sake of the economy everyone who is able should consider getting it. If you don’t want to get it then you have no excuse to complain about continued unemployment or businesses closed or masks and distancing. We have a way to get back to normalcy much faster if people follow through, but you can’t just rely on your neighbors to get it. We need as many people as possible to get stuck.

For people worried about safety, wait until the trial results are published and see for yourself. The vast majority of severe adverse reactions to vaccines occur in the first 2-3 months after vaccination. By The time we get a shot at this thing the trial will be much further along. It should be possible to review and see the risks. Don‘t just assume because this was done fast that it’s somehow flawed.

 

[eliza61nyc]

They’re only 25 minutes?

Lol are you like me and listen to them and say to yourself "I think the cure may make sicker than the disease"

 

[GoofGoof]

According to the HHS secretary they will start to vaccinate the first wave of healthcare workers, first responders and high risk people in December finishing in January. By the end of March, early April, he expects to have enough for every American who would like to be vaccinated. This is assuming Pfizer isn’t alone and the Moderna and/or others come through as well.

U.S. has a plan to start Pfizer vaccine shots in December: Health Secretary Azar

If Pfizer Inc <PFE.N> submits the positive initial data from its COVID-19 vaccine trial to health regulators as quickly as expected, the U.S. government plans to begin vaccinating Americans in December, Health Secretary Alex Azar said on Tuesday. Pfizer on Monday said the vaccine it has been...

news.yahoo.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Some pretty good details on Pfizer’s distribution plans:

Pfizer Sets Up Its ‘Biggest Ever’ Vaccination Distribution Campaign

The drugmaker is preparing to ship over a billion doses of Covid-19 vaccine using frozen boxes, cargo planes and trucks in a mega logistics operation.

www.wsj.com

 

[Chi84]

Lol are you like me and listen to them and say to yourself "I think the cure may make sicker than the disease"

Yep. First they tell you not to take the drug if you’re allergic to it (how do you know that until you take it?), then the first-mentioned side effect is the thing you’re trying to cure. “Anti-depressants have been known to cause suicidal thoughts . . .”

Allowing drug companies to advertise on TV is one of the worst decisions ever.

 

[Grumpy4196]

Take this with a large grain of salt but it appears at least 1 of Biden's Covid advisers wants to distribute globally as soon as US rates drop below 1%.

Biden coronavirus adviser wants US to distribute vaccine globally before it's available to all Americans

Oncologist Dr. Zeke Emanuel, one of 10 advisory board members named to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden's coronavirus task force, has pushed the U.S. and other countries to not hoard a coronavirus vaccine.

www.foxnews.com

 

[GoofGoof]

Take this with a large grain of salt but it appears at least 1 of Biden's Covid advisers wants to distribute globally as soon as US rates drop below 1%.

Biden coronavirus adviser wants US to distribute vaccine globally before it's available to all Americans

Oncologist Dr. Zeke Emanuel, one of 10 advisory board members named to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden's coronavirus task force, has pushed the U.S. and other countries to not hoard a coronavirus vaccine.

www.foxnews.com

Realistically they may not find many more Americans who want it beyond the amount needed to reach herd immunity. Assuming we need to reach 60% immune to reach herd immunity that‘s 198M Americans. Assuming a 90% effective vaccine that would require 220M Americans to be vaccinated. That’s 2/3 of the population. The estimate from the CDC is a little under 200M people will get the flu shot this year (175M was the old record from last year). Conceivably more people may want to get a Covid vaccine but I’m not sure how many more considering some people are still skeptical of being a first mover on the vaccine.

 

[correcaminos]

Science deniers? What are you on about?
How 40 000 people handle a vaccine will be different than 1-2-3 billion.
That's all I am saying.
I'm not pumping a rushed vaccine into my body. No thanks.
Have at it though....

I said if you do not vaccinate. Twist words all you like but all vaccines go through trials like this. I took 2 shots and lived to tell the tale. It baffles me that anyone is anything but happy about a 90% effective vaccine that has few side effects. If you are against all vaccines then yes, you are someone who denies science. If you are against this one because of some crazy conspiracy theory then that's just as bad. They took no shortcuts. I'm personally thrilled to have been a part of the trial but I like science

 

[correcaminos]

This vaccine being 90% effective is good news. However if enough people don’t get it then it’s not going to matter. For the sake of the economy everyone who is able should consider getting it. If you don’t want to get it then you have no excuse to complain about continued unemployment or businesses closed or masks and distancing. We have a way to get back to normalcy much faster if people follow through, but you can’t just rely on your neighbors to get it. We need as many people as possible to get stuck.

For people worried about safety, wait until the trial results are published and see for yourself. The vast majority of severe adverse reactions to vaccines occur in the first 2-3 months after vaccination. By The time we get a shot at this thing the trial will be much further along. It should be possible to review and see the risks. Don‘t just assume because this was done fast that it’s somehow flawed.

This trial has been around longer than 2-3 months where I am at least I'm 2.5 months out from first shot and I was 2nd wave of people to be done due to a scheduling conflict they had. Otherwise I would have had my first shot in early August. I was 3 weeks waiting after that

 

[correcaminos]

Nick, NO vaccine on the planet has gone through a trial of 1 billion people.

People want 100% guarantees, that's a love story not medicine.

I'm also part of a clinical trial (not this one), to determine some effects on the African American population which has been ravaged.
By your litmus test we wouldn't vaccinate against anything because we don't know how any of them will effect 2 billion people. Flu vaccine changes every freaking season.
Every drug on the planet will have someone that has am adverse reaction, lol that's why the have those 25 minute disclaimers at the end of commercials.

Thank you for doing a trial too. I know Modena was having a harder time recruiting minorities. Having non w-eurpoean blood mostly in me likely made me a desirable candidate. When a computer glitch messed up scheduling at first, they were very keen to get me back in asap (took 3 weeks to get in the right calendar). I appreciate it especially understanding long standing issues marginalized often have with the medical fields in particular - and your ability to thoughtfully reply on this thread too.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I will delay getting this vaccine for as long as possible. Too much political agenda surrounding this situation.

Is it the vaccine that is reading the political section of the papers or the virus?