Peter's thread of random, interesting, thought-provocative and sometimes entertaining stuff

PeterAlt

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So Peter, have you ever seen anyone famous while at WDW?
I just answered this in another thread. George Lucas was either exiting or entering (I forgot which) the Hard Rock at USO through a special side entrance. It was unmistakably him and why would he use a special side entrance versus the regular entrance? This was years ago. No one famous at WDW... I saw a Bill Murray once at a Yankees game in NY. He had a whole row reserved for just himself!
 

PeterAlt

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What an amusing story! That's certainly not how I would have envisioned your ride in the front cab with the pilot. (I had thought to myself, if you did ride up front, you'd be asking all kinds of technical questions, taking photos, etc.)

Also, with the various distractions from your date, it sounds like neither one of you received your honorary "co-pilot license" when you reached your destination! Well, aside of all the dramatics, at least you still got to experience a front cab ride with a pilot. Very few people have.
It wasn't a date. Just two bored people (with a mutual friend) spontaneously deciding to go to Disney for the day, leaving our mutual friend behind because mutual friend was boring and never liked doing anything that was spontaneous. I don't know why but I feel better now that that's cleared up... Lol
 

PeterAlt

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A few things have changed...

1. I will no longer waste my time debating with people or trying to gather further evidence about monorail footers. It is factual that they exist and anyone who says otherwise is a trolling ignorant fool who has no idea what they are talking about and is only interested in starting trouble. These people are not worth my time, or anyone's time.

2. @marni1971 is now by bestest friend! (And so are everyone else on this thread!)
 

Tom

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A few things have changed...

1. I will no longer waste my time debating with people or trying to gather further evidence about monorail footers. It is factual that they exist and anyone who says otherwise is a trolling ignorant fool who has no idea what they are talking about and is only interested in starting trouble. These people are not worth my time, or anyone's time.

2. @marni1971 is now by bestest friend! (And so are everyone else on this thread!)

1. Now you're just being silly and ruining the fun for everyone :p
 

PeterAlt

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A new study by the American Public Transportation Association and the U.S. Travel Association concludes that hotels with direct rail connection to the airport generate an increased 11% more revenue per room.

When applied to the Orlando area, with the theme parks and convention center added to the mix as economic variables, the increase in revenue per hotel room would most-likely far exceed the 11% increase concluded by the study.

The economic implication alone is good reason why the city, county, state, federal government, and businesses should just cooperate and figure out a way to fund, plan, and build an elevated rail system with connections to the airports, convention center, theme parks, and other major destinations. Such a system would benefit Disney equally as much, if it were connected to Disney's system, and Disney's system is expanded to tie into it, and to the rest of the resort.
 

MinnieM123

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A new study by the American Public Transportation Association and the U.S. Travel Association concludes that hotels with direct rail connection to the airport generate an increased 11% more revenue per room.

When applied to the Orlando area, with the theme parks and convention center added to the mix as economic variables, the increase in revenue per hotel room would most-likely far exceed the 11% increase concluded by the study.

The economic implication alone is good reason why the city, county, state, federal government, and businesses should just cooperate and figure out a way to fund, plan, and build an elevated rail system with connections to the airports, convention center, theme parks, and other major destinations. Such a system would benefit Disney equally as much, if it were connected to Disney's system, and Disney's system is expanded to tie into it, and to the rest of the resort.

Thank you for sharing this information. Although I think your idea has merit, and I found your comments about the APTA /USTA study interesting, I doubt we will ever see any new direct rail connection—at least for the foreseeable future.

IMO, every state is struggling with their finances. Budget cuts, and even underfunding some existing programs, have been the norm for the past number of years. My guess is that securing any new project funding would be an uphill battle in the present economy.
 

PeterAlt

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Thank you for sharing this information. Although I think your idea has merit, and I found your comments about the APTA /USTA study interesting, I doubt we will ever see any new direct rail connection—at least for the foreseeable future.

IMO, every state is struggling with their finances. Budget cuts, and even underfunding some existing programs, have been the norm for the past number of years. My guess is that securing any new project funding would be an uphill battle in the present economy.
The basic point I'm making is that it helps the economy. This is just one of many ways that it does. In Central Florida, the problem isn't that there isn't enough money to do it. There is. The problem is that no one is leading the way. What you have are different businesses and different governments having conflicting plans and agendas. Many cities in the country have a single agency that sets the standards, draws up a master plan, and collects revenue. Things get done but gradually.

Since the 1980's, there's been so many fits and starts it's not even funny. There have been more starts recently. The only one I see possibly succeeding is All Aboard Florida, a conventional passenger rail planned for 2016 between Miami and Oralndo International Airport.

From an urban planning point of view, Orlando has so many convenient central points to connect that would be a dream come true for urban planners in other cities.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
The basic point I'm making is that it helps the economy. This is just one of many ways that it does. In Central Florida, the problem isn't that there isn't enough money to do it. There is. The problem is that no one is leading the way. What you have are different businesses and different governments having conflicting plans and agendas. Many cities in the country have a single agency that sets the standards, draws up a master plan, and collects revenue. Things get done but gradually.

Since the 1980's, there's been so many fits and starts it's not even funny. There have been more starts recently. The only one I see possibly succeeding is All Aboard Florida, a conventional passenger rail planned for 2016 between Miami and Oralndo International Airport.

From an urban planning point of view, Orlando has so many convenient central points to connect that would be a dream come true for urban planners in other cities.

I can imagine your frustration about rail projects that have not been developed over the years, if one of the major issues comes down to no one taking the lead to coordinate efforts. If what you stated is true, just the fact that no one (or no group) has presently taken the lead on the direct rail connection, indicates to me that it's low on their priority list.

Generally speaking, (from the pittance that I know about any new proposal process), the longer a new project sits around with no forward movement, the more likely it is to get rejected, or shelved indefinitely.

Yet, we never know what the future will hold. It's always good to keep a positive attitude, no matter what.
 

PeterAlt

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I can imagine your frustration about rail projects that have not been developed over the years, if one of the major issues comes down to no one taking the lead to coordinate efforts. If what you stated is true, just the fact that no one (or no group) has presently taken the lead on the direct rail connection, indicates to me that it's low on their priority list.

Generally speaking, (from the pittance that I know about any new proposal process), the longer a new project sits around with no forward movement, the more likely it is to get rejected, or shelved indefinitely.

Yet, we never know what the future will hold. It's always good to keep a positive attitude, no matter what.
It's that there are too many projects going on, not that there aren't enough. Okay, I already mentioned All Aboard Florida. AAF is a private initiative owned by the Florida East Coast Railroad - the company Henry Flagler's built up and ran a railroad all the way to Key West. AAF is spending $2.5 billion on their project. It will have a huge station with tracks ten stories above ground in Miami. The Miami station will also be a mall and they plan on developing sky scrapers for business and also residence adjoining the station. The station will be above the Miami Metromover and Miami Metrorail tracks. The AAF tracks will be elevated for the downtown Miami area and then will run on ground level for the rest of the distance to Orlando International Airport, stopping only at Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach (my home). In West Palm Beach, they are planning to build a station with office towers and condos connecting to the station. In Orlando, the airport is resurrecting their old plan for a multi-modal train station that was once planned for the Florida High Speed Rail project (that Gov. Scott) killed by returning $3.5 billion back to the Federal government. The OIA multimodal station will now be built as once planned, except it will now service AAF instead of FHSR - and may serve additional systems, if those systems come through. Additionally, OIA is paying to expand the airport automated people mover system to the multimodal station and they are also financing the construction of a new parking garage at the multimodal station. In South Florida, AAF will let the local commuter train here (Tri-Rail) use its tracks and allow it to build and operate stations throughout the area. AAF will renovate, install safety systems, and double track the old Flagler tracks from Miami to Cocoa Beach. From Cocoa Beach, new tracks will be built along the Bee Line Expressway to OIA. AAF already signed a 100 year lease on land owned by the Expressway Authority to build the tracks. AAF will use diesel fueled trains. They say the trip from OIA to Miami will take three hours.

Then, there's SunRail. SunRail is being built with government money and will be owned and operated by the state, like Tri-Rail is for us in South Florida. Construction is well under way. The project is costing billions of dollars in tax money. It will run on brand new tracks. The trains are diesel and will run entirely on ground level. That means that at every city block, there will be a gate crossing - no bridges at all. The system won't go to the resort area, or the airport. People from Central Florida aren't complaining because finally they're getting something. They may expand it to the airport and link up with the intermodal station, but there's no funds left to do that. Personally, I don't like SunRail. For the billions going into it, they should have planned it better. I don't like ll those gate crossings... People are going to die. I don't like the fact that they've chosen to run on diesel, when the rest of the world is using electric.

Then, there's American Maglev Technologies, a company based out of Atlanta that's been around for a while. They have a promising new technology - slow automated maglev monorail people movers. Their system is elevated, automated, floats on magnetic repulsion, and runs no faster than 40 MPH. The company has a small test track running in GA, but they've abandoned every project they've been commissioned for. In other words, all attempted systems they have been contracted for in the past did not work correctly and the company just packed its bags each time and left town, dodging responsibility. To be fair, their GA test track works great and is the latest project built. They claim that they learned from those project failures and improved the design. Any way, AMT wants to build a system in Orlando that would connect OIA, the Orange County Convention Center, the Florida Mall, UCF's west campus, and end at the WDW property line. They already got approval from the Central Florida Metropolitan Planning Agency. Additionally, they already have a financial partner that has pledged to cover construction financing. I don't know if they have secured the right of way yet.

Now, do you understand what I meant? There's so many projects going on by different groups with different technologies. And nothing is being coordinated with one another. That's why you need a single agency in charge of one huge ambitious project. That agency could work with private companies like AAF and AMT in order to create a cohesive system that goes everywhere important and has a foundation in logic.
 
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MinnieM123

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It's that there are too many projects going on, not that there aren't enough. Okay, I already mentioned All Aboard Florida. AAF is a private initiative owned by the Florida East Coast Railroad - the company Henry Flagler's built up and ran a railroad all the way to Key West. AAF is spending $2.5 billion on their project. It will have a huge station with tracks ten stories above ground in Miami. The Miami station will also be a mall and they plan on developing sky scrapers for business and also residence adjoining the station. The station will be above the Miami Metromover and Miami Metrorail tracks. The AAF tracks will be elevated for the downtown Miami area and then will run on ground level for the rest of the distance to Orlando International Airport, stopping only at Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach (my home). In West Palm Beach, they are planning to build a station with office towers and condos connecting to the station. In Orlando, the airport is resurrecting their old plan for a multi-modal train station that was once planned for the Florida High Speed Rail project (that Gov. Scott) killed by returning $3.5 billion back to the Federal government. The OIA multimodal station will now be built as once planned, except it will now service AAF instead of FHSR - and may serve additional systems, if those systems come through. Additionally, OIA is paying to expand the airport automated people mover system to the multimodal station and they are also financing the construction of a new parking garage at the multimodal station. In South Florida, AAF will let the local commuter train here (Tri-Rail) use its tracks and allow it to build and operate stations throughout the area. AAF will renovate, install safety systems, and double track the old Flagler tracks from Miami to Cocoa Beach. From Cocoa Beach, new tracks will be built along the Bee Line Expressway to OIA. AAF already signed a 100 year lease on land owned by the Expressway Authority to build the tracks. AAF will use diesel fueled trains. They say the trip from OIA to Miami will take three hours.

Then, there's SunRail. SunRail is being built with government money and will be owned and operated by the state, like Tri-Rail is for us in South Florida. Construction is well under way. The project is costing billions of dollars in tax money. It will run on brand new tracks. The trains are diesel and will run entirely on ground level. That means that at every city block, there will be a gate crossing - no bridges at all. The system won't go to the resort area, or the airport. People from Central Florida aren't complaining because finally they're getting something. They may expand it to the airport and link up with the intermodal station, but there's no funds left to do that. Personally, I don't like SunRail. For the billions going into it, they should have planned it better. I don't like ll those gate crossings... People are going to die. I don't like the fact that they've chosen to run on diesel, when the rest of the world is using electric.

Then, there's American Maglev Technologies, a company based out of Atlanta that's been around for a while. They have a promising new technology - slow automated maglev monorail people movers. Their system is elevated, automated, floats on magnetic repulsion, and runs no faster than 49 MPH. The company has a small test track running in GA, but they've abandoned every project they've been commissioned for. In other words, all attempted systems they have been contracted for in the past did not work correctly and the company just packed its bags each time and left town, dodging responsibility. To be fair, their GA test track works great and is the latest project built. They claim that they learned from those project failures and improved the design. Any way, AMT wants to build a system in Orlando that would connect OIA, the Orange County Convention Center, the Florida Mall, UCF's west campus, and end at the WDW property line. They already got approval from the Central Florida Metropolitan Planning Agency. Additionally, they already have a financial partner that has pledged to cover construction financing. I don't know if they have secured the right of way yet.

Now, do you understand what I meant? There's so many projects going on by different groups with different technologies. And nothing is being coordinated with one another. That's why you need a single agency in charge of one huge ambitious project. That agency could work with private companies like AAF and AMT in order to create a cohesive system that goes everywhere important and has a foundation in logic.

Wow! Thanks for taking the time to share all those details. I don't know how you manage to keep it all straight. Now that you've outlined them all, it's a bit clearer to me where you're coming from. Yes, a centralized, governing group certainly could be helpful to coordinate all this. From what you shared, all these do appear to be funded projects.

Reminds me a little of some new projects at work. Seems like whenever management adds more people and departments to work on a new initiative, the less effective the original plan becomes, and really it slows down everything. Multiple, ongoing projects need a strong, core group leader, and unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.
 
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PeterAlt

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Wow! Thanks for taking the time to share all those details. I don't know how you manage to keep it all straight. Now that you've outlined them all, it's a bit clearer to me where you're coming from. Yes, a centralized, governing group certainly could be helpful to coordinate all this. From what you shared, all these do appear to be funded projects.

Reminds me a little of some new projects at work. Seems like whenever management adds more people and departments to work on a new initiative, the less effective the original plan becomes, and really it slows down everything. Multiple, ongoing projects need a strong, core group leader, and unfortunately, that doesn't always happen.
Like in New York, they have the MTA (Metropolitan Transit Authority). The MTA operates the NYC subway system (which used to be three independent systems); plus, they also operate the Long Island Railroad, the Staten Island Railroad, and Metro North (the commuter train for the counties north of NYC), in addition to NJ Transit (under contract).

Southern California has something similar to the MTA running its systems, too.
 
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PeterAlt

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Bill Maher mentioned on his show last Friday that he thinks it's no coincidence that the two states that made it to the Super Ball are the same two states that have legalized recreational use of marijuana. That's the only thing I have to say about the Super Ball... Lol
 

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