Permits Filed for Phase 2

[Hakunamatata]

I wonder if the baricades are for along the train tracks to block the view of construction.

Also, I doubt the Speedway is moving its tracks, as the plan would be to close the ride. I do place money on the outer lanes being closed as construction takes place near the tracks. Sounds like the Dumbo Circus area really is going to bump up right against the speedway. Even more so than TT does now.

Could the barricades be something somewhat permanent that will block the view of Dumboland from the speedway once the FLE is complete? Not sure the speedway of the future would have a circus right in clear view. :shrug:

 

[stphnbogert]

Could the barricades be something somewhat permanent that will block the view of Dumboland from the speedway once the FLE is complete? Not sure the speedway of the future would have a circus right in clear view. :shrug:

Probably because they do have to still seperate Fantasyland and Tomorrowland. It would ruin the whole vision if you're in Tomorrowland and you see a big circus tent.

 

[Rob562]

I remember a post (Raven maybe?) mentioning the last loop of the speedway would be eliminated (spurning a whole thread drift on eliminating the speedway altogether) - I guess this falls into that plan. I still don't get the whole "temporary lane closure" - there's a track so it's not like we can just merge over!

I presume "Lane Closures" means that they won't be operating all four lanes. (They don't operate all 4 at once most days anyway, so no huge deal)

As for the "barriers", my guess is that they're building more substantial walls between the raceway and the construction site for safety reasons, as they'll have Guests in close proximity to an active construction zone.

-Rob

 

[Scar Junior]

I'm not going on record with this but the way I'm envisioning a "barrier wall" brings notions of a cheap background mural for both sides/attractions. Say they save face with trees and landscaping... Would it make a difference? Sure the wall will cut noise pollution, but isn't it just a painted wall veiling two close attractions??

I've no contempt since I don't fully understand layout... I'm just wondering about this given the few details I have...

 

[Scar Junior]

I presume "Lane Closures" means that they won't be operating all four lanes. (They don't operate all 4 at once most days anyway, so no huge deal)

As for the "barriers", my guess is that they're building more substantial walls between the raceway and the construction site for safety reasons, as they'll have Guests in close proximity to an active construction zone.

-Rob

That makes more sense than the idea that their building a wall to keep the two attractions/lands separate...

 

[ryanduggers]

Maybe they have to build a short wall between the race tracks and Dumbo just to fix the grade between them. It could be as simple as that.

 

[jt04]

Exactly.
They never released any prints that showed Dumbo by the Speedway. The only ones seen here were fan-made, and whoever made them made it appear as though the Speedway would be changing.

I do have the revised prints showing that area, and just looked at them. Dumbo fits nicely in the little nook there, and the Speedway looks unchanged.
Possibly what we are hearing about with Speedway is temporary while the Dumbo construction is going on.
(I don't have a program that will let me do an overlay to be sure, so I'm just eye-balling it. Speedway looks the same.)

BTW- I miss the old permits that had plans/diagrams.

The drawing I saw showed a slice cut out of the track but the rails unchanged. So, if that is indeed what happens I will have to believe it is not a coincidence. The drawing I saw was not a photoshop in my opinion. In any case the track will be very close to the Dumbo structure so it is going to take some serious soundproofing I'd guess. I do like that they are using every square inch possible. Even the MK only has so much space.

 

[Tom]

The drawing I saw showed a slice cut out of the track but the rails unchanged. So, if that is indeed what happens I will have to believe it is not a coincidence. The drawing I saw was not a photoshop in my opinion. In any case the track will be very close to the Dumbo structure so it is going to take some serious soundproofing I'd guess. I do like that they are using every square inch possible. Even the MK only has so much space.

I think I saw the same drawing you're thinking of, but I didn't download it because I knew it was just someone's fairly convincing Photoshop work.

The "slice" out of the track you saw was probably just an accidental erasure from the cut/paste job.

Regardless, after reading even more of the thread, I'm beginning to think they'll just be blocking a few of the lanes so that they can build a new "retaining wall" or "sound/visual barrier" along the north end of the speedway.

I be that's what they're calling "barricades". They'll be "future" looking on one side, and "circus" looking on the other, and will prevent the Speedway from seeing the back of the new circus tent building. There's only so much you can do with trees, and they can't afford the space it takes to build a berm.

The lanes will probably only be blocked as long as it takes them to build this new wall.

I'm anxious to see what they come up with.

 

[danlb_2000]

Another thing to remember is the work that was done at the Speedway back in September. There were construction walls put up within the loop of the track that is near where Dumbo is going to be. I don't remember if there was ever any confirmation about what was done there.

Dan

 

[Tom]

Another thing to remember is the work that was done at the Speedway back in September. There were construction walls put up within the loop of the track that is near where Dumbo is going to be. I don't remember if there was ever any confirmation about what was done there.

Dan

I don't think anyone ever confirmed what they did. Someone (SeaCastle) predicted they were moving a fuel storage tank, and a permit filed later made that seem logical. But I don't think anything was ever confirmed.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I've said this before, but I think the Speedway is the one attraction at Disney World that needs Fastpass the most.

 

[jmuboy]

I have been to CA, Paris, WDW and seen pics of HKDL and it seems that the WDW speedway has the most bland design (and also the shortest) track of all the MK parks. I'd be happy to see the Speedway removed or removed and replaced with a HKDL version - which is the best one to date from what I can see.

 

[Tom]

I've said this before, but I think the Speedway is the one attraction at Disney World that needs Fastpass the most.

Whachu talkin' bout Willis?

I have been to CA, Paris, WDW and seen pics of HKDL and it seems that the WDW speedway has the most bland design (and also the shortest) track of all the MK parks. I'd be happy to see the Speedway removed or removed and replaced with a HKDL version - which is the best one to date from what I can see.

I want it to just go away. That's a nice piece of property and could accommodate lots of things. To me, there is nothing magical (and absolutely nothing futuristic) about a bunch of go-carts that are loud and stink.

 

[Master Yoda]

I want it to just go away. That's a nice piece of property and could accommodate lots of things. To me, there is nothing magical (and absolutely nothing futuristic) about a bunch of go-carts that are loud and stink.

But for the thousands of kids that go on it every day it is. Not every attraction can me made to please every person. You or I might see the speedway as the most boring thing on the planet but to my 9 year old daughter it gives Space Mountain a run for its money.

 

[TomHendricks]

I agree about the noisy and smelly part, I really wish they would switch the cars to electric.

 

[juan]

I have been to CA, Paris, WDW and seen pics of HKDL and it seems that the WDW speedway has the most bland design (and also the shortest) track of all the MK parks. I'd be happy to see the Speedway removed or removed and replaced with a HKDL version - which is the best one to date from what I can see.

I agree! WDW's is :snore::snore:

I like DLR's, especially how it branches off to parts where it's one track alone and goes over rocky road.

 

[Tom]

But for the thousands of kids that go on it every day it is. Not every attraction can me made to please every person. You or I might see the speedway as the most boring thing on the planet but to my 9 year old daughter it gives Space Mountain a run for its money.

I know. I'm don't dislike it because it's boring (I skip lots of other attractions that I still think are worthy of their presence). I dislike it because it comes off as a lame use of that property.

They could replace it with something else that kids could enjoy, or even a better (modern....or futuristic) ride of a similar nature.

If it must stay, perhaps use electric/battery powered cars so they are silent and have no fumes. Change the cars to look like cars from the future (ala Spaceship Earth's animation). Heck, make them steer like bumper cars, where you can spin the car around as you drive forward on the track.

I've never understood its place in Tomorrowland, and the only time I've ever been excited about it was when they added the Indy Speedway overlay (since I have personal ties to the real Indy Speedway). Even as a kid I wasn't enthralled with it because we could travel less than an hour from home and ride go-carts - or go to King's Island or Kentucky Kingdom to drive the "old fashioned cars", which are essentially the same thing.

It just screams cheap and un-Disney to me, and always has. There's so much potential, but it just takes money and a desire from Disney's end....and I don't see it happening.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I've said this before, but I think the Speedway is the one attraction at Disney World that needs Fastpass the most.

Whachu talkin' bout Willis?
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To me, it's a mediocre ride that takes up a lot of space. I'd be all for getting rid of it - but kids really enjoy it, and it typically generates long enough waits to necessitate Fastpass. I almost always skip it, but I think I'd be more inclined to go on it if I could use Fastpass.

I want it to just go away. That's a nice piece of property and could accommodate lots of things. To me, there is nothing magical (and absolutely nothing futuristic) about a bunch of go-carts that are loud and stink.

What I'd like to see is a track that winds between other attractions, or at the very least has more to look at. The fact that the tracks run parallel makes it uninteresting - I've heard that Hong Kong's has tracks that don't run parallel, so that in itself would make the attraction better.

I've obviously made no secret about my interest in the Fastpass system, and I see that there are several attractions that should have it implemented on at the very least a seasonal basis.

 

[devoy1701]

To me, it's a mediocre ride that takes up a lot of space. I'd be all for getting rid of it - but kids really enjoy it, and it typically generates long enough waits to necessitate Fastpass. I almost always skip it, but I think I'd be more inclined to go on it if I could use Fastpass.



What I'd like to see is a track that winds between other attractions, or at the very least has more to look at. The fact that the tracks run parallel makes it uninteresting - I've heard that Hong Kong's has tracks that don't run parallel, so that in itself would make the attraction better.

I've obviously made no secret about my interest in the Fastpass system, and I see that there are several attractions that should have it implemented on at the very least a seasonal basis.

DL's Autopia tracks also veer away from each other for part of the time.

 

[Tom]

To me, it's a mediocre ride that takes up a lot of space. I'd be all for getting rid of it - but kids really enjoy it, and it typically generates long enough waits to necessitate Fastpass. I almost always skip it, but I think I'd be more inclined to go on it if I could use Fastpass.

What I'd like to see is a track that winds between other attractions, or at the very least has more to look at. The fact that the tracks run parallel makes it uninteresting - I've heard that Hong Kong's has tracks that don't run parallel, so that in itself would make the attraction better.

I've obviously made no secret about my interest in the Fastpass system, and I see that there are several attractions that should have it implemented on at the very least a seasonal basis.

Agreed on all accounts.