PC Redhead Meet and Greet

[Donaldfan1934]

Yeah, I don't think you have any actual data to make such a claim. We do have fairly reliable attendance reporting and our own observations though to inform us that "everyone", despite endlessly complaining about this stuff online, seems to end up embracing everything they do. Therefore I wouldn't expect Redd to be any different. We'll see, maybe it'll be different this time.

Well I'm basing my thoughts on my own observations and they say that the general public hates it. If you just take a look at any form of social media, you'll see that the negative reactions almost always outweigh the positive regardless of whether the page posting about the redo is Disney related or not. And that's saying something considering how often people blindly to Facebook's like button in particular.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

If you just take a look any form of social media, you'll see that the negative reactions almost always outweigh the positive regardless of whether the page posting about the redo is Disney related or not.

That's true, but I've stopped taking most of the negative comments seriously because 1) most of it is just anonymous keyboard ranting and 2) record attendance and guest spending is proof that Disney has created a new formula for success. Disneyland Resort is on fire right now and has been for several years, so the data contradicts most of what the critics are saying.

 

[brb1006]

If anyone actually goes up to the people who are friends with Redd and treats them poorly, that's a whole other kind of crazy that needs to be given a swift kick from the park. They are actors, it's a face character, life will be okay.

I hope this doesn't end up like the Jack Sparrow incident a long time ago where it was reported that female guests were doing some inappropriate things to him at the parks. Which could explain why you hardly see him in the parks outside of the Boo To You Parade at WDW or some shows.

 

[Darkbeer1]

In regards to shills, I can tell you that some major websites will never say really bad things about Disney, because they want to keep the Press Pass and access to all the goodies that come with it. I got free rooms, meals, exclusive gifts you can sell online for a lot of money, better pictures and video, etc. when I was a rated Press Reporter/Photographer.

So you can easily fall into a company shill, even if Disney doesn't pay you. But better access usually means more advertising revenue, therefore more money.

Then some folks got smart, and did things like the Unofficial Guides, and other Travel Sites/Books that clearly state they pay for the trips out of their own pocket.

I much preferred the freedom to say what I truly thought, And I think my relationships with Senior Theme Park folks came from being honest, and not sugar coating things. They got what they wanted/needed to hear, the truth, and not a yes person.

Now, some folks want warm and fussy, I did a series of articles with a lot of photos and nice words for airline magazines, and they clearly stated what they wanted, and what they thought their readers wanted.

To each their own, and why I always look at news features with a big grain of salt. Same with politics, and where the money is coming from.

 

[Practical Pig]

Of course I know that, but why would they be out and about during a pirate attack and why would they be in the village instead of on the sugar plantations?

History is more complex than we are taught in school or theme parks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaçage#Noted_plac.C3.A9es

and:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_people_of_color

 

[drizgirl]

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This is without question the funniest thing Disney has ever tried to pull off.

Definitely funny. But I still think the prize goes to the "Test Track Singers".

 

[TragicMike]

Are you suggesting Pirates of the Caribbean should have an African slave auction on the ride to increase non-white representation?

 

[999happyhants]

I think Disney is mostly seeing the way public opinion is going in regards to the #metoo movement and the like and taking an initiative to clean themselves up before there are any really big complaints. Do I think they could have done better with the updates? Yes, the voice acting is pretty bad. But you have to admit the Auction a Bride scene was always one where people were saying "how is this still around?" Especially after the change in the 90s. I think Disney is putting a band-aid on the situation and perhaps down the road they will change the voice acting to something better. I think the concept itself it great, though!

 

[TROR]

Nothing wrong with helping willing women find husbands

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I hope this doesn't end up like the Jack Sparrow incident a long time ago where it was reported that female guests were doing some inappropriate things to him at the parks. Which could explain why you hardly see him in the parks outside of the Boo To You Parade at WDW or some shows.

Ah, forget it, boyos. Yer just like have angels fly out of yer as get next to the likes a her.

 

[Practical Pig]

Nothing wrong with helping willing women find husbands

If this is a response to me, it's a very weak dodge. To the point, earlier you said:

I don't know why there necessarily would be any non-whites. Yes, it's the Caribbean, but it's a Spanish colony so it's understandable the villagers are Spaniards and pirates were historically English as those buccaneers would attack the Spanish ships carrying their gold from the Americas back to Europe.

I provided you with two very informative links that clearly demonstrated why the village scene, if it were a held to historical standards, would likely include many faces of African heritage. Here's more:

Free people of color played an important role in Spain's New World empire as soldiers, sailors, artisans, and laborers. Manumission, by which slaves were granted or purchased their freedom, had been customary in the Iberian Peninsula as far back as Roman times and was transplanted by the Spanish and Portuguese to their American colonies, giving rise to a large and vibrant population of free people of color.​

and:​

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In some ways, the French had a similar outlook, imagining a society where class was more important than race and in which everyone was entitled to fair treatment, provided they had been baptized into the Catholic Church. For all its harshness, the French Code Noir, adopted in 1685, included articles protecting the rights of freed slaves, which were essentially the same as those of whites, with the exception that they could not vote, hold public office, or marry a white person. ​

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from: https://www.lib.lsu.edu/sites/all/files/sc/fpoc/history.html

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Of course I know that, but why would they be out and about during a pirate attack and why would they be in the village instead of on the sugar plantations?

This is purely obtuse. At best.

Here's a painting: Free Women of Color with Their Children and Servants in a Landscape by Agostino Brunias

It depicts two sisters in stylish European dress, and their mother, all free women of color, together with their children and servants on the grounds of a sugar plantation in the Caribbean . It is thought to have been commissioned by the white plantation owner patriarch mated to one of the sisters, and I think it speaks volumes.

What "free" meant for them is complicated, but these women, together with some part or all of this entourage would shop, dine, and socialize whenever possible in the village which would already be populated with both free and enslaved POC leading diverse lives and fulfilling diverse functions, because: History.

I'm not the one who brought up there being a slave auction. I said they wouldn't be in the village which is why they're not represented.

And you were wrong. Your segregation of this complex, and in some ways more egalitarian society than that which followed, into your polarized portrayal of "whites in village" and "blacks on plantation" would be better informed by history.

 

[Practical Pig]

As for meeting Redd, I like the potential, but await the evidence of execution.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

If this is a response to me, it's a very weak dodge. To the point, earlier you said:



I provided you with two very informative links that clearly demonstrated why the village scene, if it were a held to historical standards, would likely include many faces of African heritage. Here's more:

Free people of color played an important role in Spain's New World empire as soldiers, sailors, artisans, and laborers. Manumission, by which slaves were granted or purchased their freedom, had been customary in the Iberian Peninsula as far back as Roman times and was transplanted by the Spanish and Portuguese to their American colonies, giving rise to a large and vibrant population of free people of color.​

and:​

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In some ways, the French had a similar outlook, imagining a society where class was more important than race and in which everyone was entitled to fair treatment, provided they had been baptized into the Catholic Church. For all its harshness, the French Code Noir, adopted in 1685, included articles protecting the rights of freed slaves, which were essentially the same as those of whites, with the exception that they could not vote, hold public office, or marry a white person. ​

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from: https://www.lib.lsu.edu/sites/all/files/sc/fpoc/history.html

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This is purely obtuse. At best.

Here's a painting: Free Women of Color with Their Children and Servants in a Landscape by Agostino Brunias

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It depicts two sisters in stylish European dress, and their mother, all free women of color, together with their children and servants on the grounds of a sugar plantation in the Caribbean . It is thought to have been commissioned by the white plantation owner patriarch mated to one of the sisters, and I think it speaks volumes.

What "free" meant for them is complicated, but these women, together with some part or all of this entourage would shop, dine, and socialize whenever possible in the village which would already be populated with both free and enslaved POC leading diverse lives and fulfilling diverse functions, because: History.



And you were wrong. Your segregation of this complex, and in some ways more egalitarian society than that which followed, into your polarized portrayal of "whites in village" and "blacks on plantation" would be better informed by history.

Why are the dogs so small? lol

 

[MisterPenguin]

Why are the dogs so small? lol

They aren't small. People were giants in ancient times.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

They aren't small. People were giants in ancient times.

lol I don't know about that..
https://www.livestrong.com/article/542877-the-average-height-of-humans-over-time/

Were dogs just really small 100's of years ago?

 

[Practical Pig]

Why are the dogs so small? lol

I know, huh! The dogs kind of fascinate me. One white. One black. And one of mixed coloration at the feet of and gazing up towards the sister who is the main subject of the painting.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

....what has happened to this thread???

 

[note2001]

I want a meet & greet with the dog holding the jail cell keys.
And the chickens.

 

[Model3 McQueen]

I know, huh! The dogs kind of fascinate me. One white. One black. And one of mixed coloration at the feet of and gazing up towards the sister who is the main subject of the painting.

Excellent analysis! I didn't even notice that. It's definitely a thought provoking piece of art.

 

[Kram Sacul]

....what has happened to this thread???

I know. It was a discussion about Disney’s goofy decision to market their butchered character and it turned into an art history lesson.