Park Builders Unite!

[spacemt354]

This park sounds way cool ! I love the idea of bringing over a land like Discoveryland or Mysterious Island !

I haven't watched the podcast (yet), but the idea of an attraction based on Around the World in 80 fascinates me. It's been several years since I've read it, so correct me if I'm wrong, but in addition to the adventure bits, I remember that book being pretty humorous. For instance, in America, they take the train east from CA, and on the way a whole giant herd of buffalo comes and halts the train for a long time, and the scene Verne paints of that is pretty amusing. I remember there being other scenes like this, but can't remember exactly what...
But I think the subject would be perfect for a dark ride with Marc Davis-esque visual gags. (Of course, we'd have to be super careful so as to not accidentally be offensive or racist)
I'm thinking a boat ride in the style of Sindbad from Tokyo DisneySea?
I would also place it in London, not Paris, because the book starts and ends in London, and the main character is English.

(also, hello everybody. I've come back to armchair imagineering after a huge break - I used to be on SYWTBAI under the username frontierlandfan. Nice to meet you-)

Welcome aboard!

Nice to meet you too and glad to see you here! I really am intrigued by your boat ride idea...I'm wondering where it would fit in the park because the location is about the size of DCA.

 

[OwlSong74]

Thanks for the welcome ! ^^

Oh, nice to see you then, AdvBlueDude !

Obviously the land is very limited, so we're going to have to cut down no matter what we do, I'm thinking. Sidbad's not a very big ride (I don't think), but I can see why attractions that interact with each other in some form would be preferred.

Yeah, London is very filled, so putting 80 days elsewhere does makes sense. Here are some other suggestions for Paris though:
Le Petit Prince would be a fun blacklight show or small Fantasyland darkride.
Something in the Catacombs.
The fables by La Fontaine could be an interesting subject for a small garden (like the Tangled sitting area in MK), with little figures from the stories.

 

[spacemt354]

Thanks for the welcome ! ^^

Oh, nice to see you then, AdvBlueDude !

Obviously the land is very limited, so we're going to have to cut down no matter what we do, I'm thinking. Sidbad's not a very big ride (I don't think), but I can see why attractions that interact with each other in some form would be preferred.

Yeah, London is very filled, so putting 80 days elsewhere does makes sense. Here are some other suggestions for Paris though:
Le Petit Prince would be a fun blacklight show or small Fantasyland darkride.
Something in the Catacombs.
The fables by La Fontaine could be an interesting subject for a small garden (like the Tangled sitting area in MK), with little figures from the stories.

Good points.

Actually I feel like we said the Catacombs in the podcast and I forgot to right it down. If we didn't then, I really like that suggestion! Based on what we have i could try to get a rough sketch of the park map so we have a visual to go off of. Though that will probably have to be sometime tomorrow!

 

[JokersWild]

Good points.

Actually I feel like we said the Catacombs in the podcast and I forgot to right it down. If we didn't then, I really like that suggestion! Based on what we have i could try to get a rough sketch of the park map so we have a visual to go off of. Though that will probably have to be sometime tomorrow!

I almost mentioned the catacombs, but thought that Phantom would suffice.

We also forgot about Les Mis. If we want to try that at all.

 

[OwlSong74]

^ I'm thinking Les Mis (at least in it's non-Disneyfied book/musical form) might be a bit too dark.. :/

 

[JokersWild]

^ I'm thinking Les Mis (at least in it's non-Disneyfied book/musical form) might be a bit too dark.. :/

It is, but it's probably the most famous Hugo work (with Hunchback.) I just thought it would be recognizable.

 

[OwlSong74]

Definitely very recognizable.. I would just be careful about using it for a whole attraction. Maybe references to it can be put around the land? "Ursula"'s hankerchief, an elephant statue (probably not made of plaster this time), broadsides on the walls, maybe even name/base a counter service restaurant on Le Cornithe or Le Café Musain... ? idk. We could try to make an attraction of it. After all, Hunchback is pretty dark too.

What if the dinosaur land was put underground? That would save space, and we could have cool descending cave entrances from the other lands.

 

[JokersWild]

Definitely very recognizable.. I would just be careful about using it for a whole attraction. Maybe references to it can be put around the land? "Ursula"'s hankerchief, an elephant statue (probably not made of plaster this time), broadsides on the walls, maybe even name/base a counter service restaurant on Le Cornithe or Le Café Musain... ? idk. We could try to make an attraction of it. After all, Hunchback is pretty dark too.

What if the dinosaur land was put underground? That would save space, and we could have cool descending cave entrances from the other lands.

That could work absolutely. It would probably work better than a proper attraction, as you said.

And I would absolutely love to put there dinosaur land underground. It'd give an amazing Journey to the Center of the Earth/ Mysterious Island vibe.

 

[spacemt354]

Definitely very recognizable.. I would just be careful about using it for a whole attraction. Maybe references to it can be put around the land? "Ursula"'s hankerchief, an elephant statue (probably not made of plaster this time), broadsides on the walls, maybe even name/base a counter service restaurant on Le Cornithe or Le Café Musain... ? idk. We could try to make an attraction of it. After all, Hunchback is pretty dark too.

What if the dinosaur land was put underground? That would save space, and we could have cool descending cave entrances from the other lands.

Underground land...I like it!

I wonder if we could design the park like the MK where the "2nd floor" is the park and the underground is the utilidors...except this time it's the entrance to our land.

 

[spacemt354]

Let's try to get this discussion going again. I think we had a really solid concept with the literature based theme park!

If anyone is interested...feel free to look through the brainstorming we have done so far...and add your thoughts! Then we can move on to actually designing the park with content

 

[spacemt354]

Here are some notes from the podcast about what we were talking about for the park
(Though disclaimer halfway through I refreshed the page and lost the notes so Tiki or Jokers can fill in anything I miss.)

In the brainstorming the last thing we discussed was trying to make this a literature based park (somewhat inspired by a mix of AK/Disney SEA)
We started talking about the "Main Street" of the part being a old-time London area with Big Ben being the icon of the area.

Attractions
- A Sherlock Holmes attraction in Big Ben
- Dickens Christmas Carol dark ride
- In a closed off space, a 1984 inspired attraction
- The Time Machine
- Shakespeare Midsummer's Night Dream boat ride behind Big Ben
- Hanzel and Gretel attraction

Entertainment and Shops
- Ms Lovett's Meat Pies Shop
- Oliver Twist Walk-Around characters
- and more

Next was a transition to the left of London, across a bridge, to a Paris themed land
- Phantom of the Opera attraction
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame attraction (with the cathedral)
- Around the World in 80 Days
- Probably more I'm forgetting

Next was a waterfront town that acted dueling as a New England Fishing town front as well as Long Island of the 1920s
- Moby **** attraction
- Nataniel Hawthorne inspired attraction
- Great Gatsby dark ride
- House of Seven Gables restaurant

Next was a Mysterious island type land servicing an attraction inspired by The Lost World and including underground dinosaurs in some capacity. Treasure Island was also mentioned as a possibility. And finally we had an African land with a Tarzan inverted roller coaster as well as a potential tie in with sci-fi. This aspect we didn't really narrow down but it's still on the table for now for everyone to discuss.

So now after the podcast - it comes back to the thread...what do you guys think and what would you like to see at Disneyland's 3rd gate...comment below and discuss!

Here's just some ideas that we talked about on the podcast

 

[DlpPhantom]

I love the idea of and underground land. I think a version of Journy into the center of the earth would be perfect for the land and with the dinosaur ride being the big E ticket maybe making it a roller coaster isn't the best idea but maybe something like my version that I made for my Improving Disneyland Paris thread would work.

journey into the center of the earth. Weaving through the laboratory of captain Nemo we come across him and he explains we will be boarding a vehicle that will take us to the center of the earth. He also explains that the cars are armed with laser guns to protect our selves from what might be down there. We board a steam punk looking hover car and pick up our laser guns. The score board from buzz is reused as a locator and it shows us how far down we are.

The ride starts and we venture in to a dark cavern but as we turn the corner we see a very bright red glow as we pass the magma layer in a glass tube. We leave the tube and enter another cavern to find glowing plants and unthinkable creatures some of them show anger towards you so you shoot them with your gun it startles them and they back off. You enter a circular cave and a huge monster pops up you use your gun but it does nothing but make it angrier. Lava starts to appear out of. Cracks in the wall using projections the to make it look like you are moving much faster than you are to make it look like you are hurrying to the surface. You make it to the surface and captain Nemo greets you back congratulating you on your journey to the center of the earth.
You exit in to a shop and can see and buy a picture of you on the ride.

 

[MA Screamin']

Words can't really describe how fond I am of this concept! This is all despite the fact that you'll never find me cozying up to a book; the stories, however, are always inspiring. Here are my ideas:

• Roald Dahl could inspire some great family / younger children experiences. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been in the back of my mind for a while now for a Haunted Mansion-style D Ticket. Other than that, The Witches could inspire a dark ride a la Peter Pan or Mr. Toad (I'll come back to him in a few), the same for James and the Giant Peach, Fantastic Mr. Fox, or any other of his novels.
• Comic books seem like another interesting place to venture into, but the transition into the land would have to be something to take note of, based on the architecture I'm assuming would go into the England and Paris lands. Marvel seems like the obvious route, but if anyone is inspired by graphic novels like Amulet or Bone, they seem to have potential. I'm not the expert on either, just my younger brother used to read and enjoy them.
• The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and The Wind in the Willows could lead us to a revamped Mr. Toad or a Headless Horseman attraction.
• @DlpPhantom The visuals you have depicted sound great, and I agree with you in having it not be the big E-Ticket. Something in general I would like to bring up is something I haven't really seen outside of The Great Movie Ride: alternate plot-points. I think having guests having to decide how they venture through the attraction sounds fun. The most basic thing I can think of is there being a fork in the road, and each way leads to different scenes. Each would have a similar ending, which you reaching the surface. I feel like if we ran with a concept like this, it could be very rewarding.

I love to help out with this more once I finish my finals. Tell me what you guys think!

 

[DlpPhantom]

Words can't really describe how fond I am of this concept! This is all despite the fact that you'll never find me cozying up to a book; the stories, however, are always inspiring. Here are my ideas:

• Roald Dahl could inspire some great family / younger children experiences. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been in the back of my mind for a while now for a Haunted Mansion-style D Ticket. Other than that, The Witches could inspire a dark ride a la Peter Pan or Mr. Toad (I'll come back to him in a few), the same for James and the Giant Peach, Fantastic Mr. Fox, or any other of his novels.
• Comic books seem like another interesting place to venture into, but the transition into the land would have to be something to take note of, based on the architecture I'm assuming would go into the England and Paris lands. Marvel seems like the obvious route, but if anyone is inspired by graphic novels like Amulet or Bone, they seem to have potential. I'm not the expert on either, just my younger brother used to read and enjoy them.
• The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and The Wind in the Willows could lead us to a revamped Mr. Toad or a Headless Horseman attraction.
• @DlpPhantom The visuals you have depicted sound great, and I agree with you in having it not be the big E-Ticket. Something in general I would like to bring up is something I haven't really seen outside of The Great Movie Ride: alternate plot-points. I think having guests having to decide how they venture through the attraction sounds fun. The most basic thing I can think of is there being a fork in the road, and each way leads to different scenes. Each would have a similar ending, which you reaching the surface. I feel like if we ran with a concept like this, it could be very rewarding.

I love to help out with this more once I finish my finals. Tell me what you guys think!

What if the ride changes if you shot different things. Like if you shot a rock a cave would open and your car would go that way leaving the rest of the vehicles. That would also provide some thrill into the attraction.

 

[IAmNotAHufflepuff]

Words can't really describe how fond I am of this concept! This is all despite the fact that you'll never find me cozying up to a book; the stories, however, are always inspiring. Here are my ideas:

• Roald Dahl could inspire some great family / younger children experiences. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has been in the back of my mind for a while now for a Haunted Mansion-style D Ticket. Other than that, The Witches could inspire a dark ride a la Peter Pan or Mr. Toad (I'll come back to him in a few), the same for James and the Giant Peach, Fantastic Mr. Fox, or any other of his novels.
• Comic books seem like another interesting place to venture into, but the transition into the land would have to be something to take note of, based on the architecture I'm assuming would go into the England and Paris lands. Marvel seems like the obvious route, but if anyone is inspired by graphic novels like Amulet or Bone, they seem to have potential. I'm not the expert on either, just my younger brother used to read and enjoy them.
• The Legend of Sleepy Hollow and The Wind in the Willows could lead us to a revamped Mr. Toad or a Headless Horseman attraction.
• @DlpPhantom The visuals you have depicted sound great, and I agree with you in having it not be the big E-Ticket. Something in general I would like to bring up is something I haven't really seen outside of The Great Movie Ride: alternate plot-points. I think having guests having to decide how they venture through the attraction sounds fun. The most basic thing I can think of is there being a fork in the road, and each way leads to different scenes. Each would have a similar ending, which you reaching the surface. I feel like if we ran with a concept like this, it could be very rewarding.

I love to help out with this more once I finish my finals. Tell me what you guys think!

To piggyback on the Chocolate Factory concept, how about we make it a POTC-style ride on the chocolate river throughout the factory?

I think we could go with a DC land here.. They did kick-start the comic business after all..

 

[MA Screamin']

@DlpPhantom That sounds cool! An issue I see is timing, being from when a guest shoots something to when the vehicle shifts to follow the corresponding track. I feel like then guests would need a queue, something prominent. How do you feel about a narration element? Then, that form of narration could hint at things like "Oh, these rascally plants have been known to send explorers off course," or "That cavern is uncharted territory," leading to guests to shoot certain things for a corresponding plot change. Do you know what I mean?

@IAmNotAHufflepuff Now that I think about it, POTC sounds way better! As for a DC land, I would personally prefer Marvel, but if you are inspired by it, go for it and I'll follow your lead.

 

[Flippin'Flounder]

I think we could go with a DC land here.. They did kick-start the comic business after all..

But Disney owns Marvel, why would they make a DC land, which they would have to pay for.

 

[MA Screamin']

@Flippin'Flounder Because Blue Sky.

 

[spacemt354]

Welcome back @MA Screamin' !

Dahl would be a very interesting choice and that could be pretty neat with a full scale area. Good for the whole family too!

 

[MA Screamin']

@spacemt354 Thanks, man; hopefully I stick around a little longer this time around!

Can I start fleshing out a full land?