News Paradise Pier Becoming Pixar Pier

Rich T

Rich T

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lazyboy97o said:
Everything and anything being called theme and theming removes meaning from the term and any sense of accomplishment from the most celebrated themed experiences.
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I really wouldn't worry about the term "theme" being diluted. The most celebrated creations at the parks don't even need that description; they speak for themselves. These are theme parks. They're full of themes, huge and tiny, grand and subtle, ingenious and ill-conceived... really, really ill-conceived.
 
Castle Cake Apologist

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dweezil78 said:
It's funny how people whined and moaned for years about how the pier was so basic and unthemed, but now they want to cling to that...
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Yes, and Disney literally spent a lot of money to fix many of the issues that Paradise Pier had. Much effort was put into place-making and trying to unify the theme and storytelling of the area. Most people were pretty happy with the new Paradise Pier.

This whole Pixar Pier nonsense could not be more Six Flags in its design philosophy if it tried. I don't understand why that is difficult for people to see.
 
dweezil78

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DisneyExpert said:
Yes, and Disney literally spent a lot of money to fix many of the issues that Paradise Pier had. Much effort was put into place-making and trying to unify the theme and storytelling of the area. Most people were pretty happy with the new Paradise Pier.

This whole Pixar Pier nonsense could not be more Six Flags in its design philosophy if it tried. I don't understand why that is difficult for people to see.
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I don't believe any of the work they did in the renovations they did to fix those issues is being eliminated in any way, is it? Seems to me just about everything here is being done to areas that were mostly untouched during those renovations or simple re-dressing of it. Swings, Fun Wheel, Garden Grill, Goofy, etc are all not being modified in any way are and left separate from this project (other than the gondolas on the fun wheel). This time we're finally getting an updated coaster station, new games (the terror!!!), and removal of the outdated Little Mermaid restaurant and carousel. Are there some kind of evil plans to go and remove all the Victorian-esque facades just for the heck of it that I'm not aware of?

Like I said, not super pumped about things being everything Pixar, but I also don't understand whey people are so offended by what appear to be very minimalist changes either.

Also, clearly you have not set foot in a Six Flags park in quite some time if you think this is any way similar to what they do over there.
 
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Castle Cake Apologist

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dweezil78 said:
I don't believe any of the work they did in the renovations of the work they did to fix those issues is being eliminated in any way, is it? Seems to me just about everything here is being done to areas that were mostly untouched during those renovations or simple re-dressing of it. Swings, Fun Wheel, Garden Grill, Goofy, etc are all not being modified in any way are and left separate from this project (other than the gondolas on the fun wheel). This time we're finally getting an updated coaster station, new games (the terror!!!), and removal of the outdated Little Mermaid restaurant and carousel. Are there some kind of evil plans to go and remove all the Victorian-esque facades just for the heck of it that I'm not aware of?

Like I said, not super pumped about things being everything Pixar, but I also don't understand whey people are so offended by what appear to be very minimalist changes either.

Also, clearly you have not set foot in a Six Flags park in quite some time if you think this is any way similar to what they do over there.
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They are absolutely destroying the careful work that went into unifying the area by randomly throwing characters onto rides that do not need them. These changes do nothing to further the story of Paradise Pier, and just kind of create an unnecessary convoluted mess.

And you clearly did not understand what I meant by design philosophy. Clearly this will look better than it would have if executed by Six Flags, but the design philosophy is very much the same. Disney is better than this.
 
dweezil78

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DisneyExpert said:
They are absolutely destroying the careful work that went into unifying the area by randomly throwing characters onto rides that do not need them. These changes do nothing to further the story of Paradise Pier, and just kind of create an unnecessary convoluted mess.

And you clearly did not understand what I meant by design philosophy. Clearly this will look better than it would have if executed by Six Flags, but the design philosophy is very much the same. Disney is better than this.
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Ok... so Little Mermaid characters on a carousel adjacent to a Toy Story ride do a better job of unifying a theme than having, well, related Toy Story characters on a carousel? Especially when there's a Little Mermaid attraction on the other side of the bay now. You must be right on this, you have 'Expert' in your screenname. I stand corrected.

You keep talking about careful work and philosophy. I hate to break it to ya bud, Paradise Pier was horribly shallow themed area that got a slightly better upgrade with some new carnival game facades a few years ago. To me, we all break even with this change. It's not an upgrade, not a downgrade, just a change of characters and some color choices. It's still a pier with pier rides that probably should have never been built in a Disney park in the first place. You either like that, or you don't.
 
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dweezil78 said:
Ok... so Little Mermaid characters on a carousel adjacent to a Toy Story ride do a better job of unifying a theme than having, well, related Toy Story characters on a carousel?
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If one were to be nit-picky it could be argued that King Triton and his sea creatures make more sense on a seaside pier than Toy Story does, and I think that sums up why some people are struggling wrapping their heads around the decision to add Pixar to the pier. Other than trying to promote Pixar it doesn't make sense. I completely get your general point though.

I see a lot of similarities between this project and MB. Neither is a particularly terrible concept on its own, but neither jibes with the base subject matter in their respective locations. There's never been an explanation for why The Collector has a fortress in 1930s Hollywood, and I expect the same deliberate lack of awareness from WDI when Pixar Pier opens next year.
 
TwilightZone

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
If one were to be nit-picky it could be argued that King Triton and his sea creatures make more sense on a seaside pier than Toy Story does, and I think that sums up why some people are struggling wrapping their heads around the decision to add Pixar to the pier. Other than trying to promote Pixar it doesn't make sense. I completely get your general point though.

I see a lot of similarities between this project and MB. Neither is a particularly terrible concept on its own, but neither jibes with the base subject matter in their respective locations. There's never been an explanation for why The Collector has a fortress in 1930s Hollywood, and I expect the same deliberate lack of awareness from WDI when Pixar Pier opens next year.
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it won't be 1930s hollywood for very long though
rip hollywoodland 01-??
 
lazyboy97o

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DisneyExpert said:
Yes, and Disney literally spent a lot of money to fix many of the issues that Paradise Pier had. Much effort was put into place-making and trying to unify the theme and storytelling of the area. Most people were pretty happy with the new Paradise Pier.

This whole Pixar Pier nonsense could not be more Six Flags in its design philosophy if it tried. I don't understand why that is difficult for people to see.
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Theme has been conflated with stuff. As long as there is more stuff, it is considered better “themed”.
 
Antaundra

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If Disney wants to theme every ride on the Pier to Pixar wouldn't it make more sense to theme California Screamin to Inside Out. It could be the Train of Thought and they could create a queue area and load building that actually blends in with the surrounding Victorian style. The mid century style of Incredibles is so jarring in the midst of the the Victorian Pier. Maybe it will look better in person than it does in the concept art.
 
Practical Pig

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I'm coming to peace with the mixed architectural styles of the Pixar version of the pier. It's not the idealized homogenous themed style of, say, turn-of-the-20th-century Main Street, where all the facades represent a similar period. But the juxtaposition of various period styles certainly follows a real-world model where a mid-century modern structure next to a Victorian is nothing unusual.

Where I live, I am surrounded by Victorian structures. Some still have their original facades. Some were remodeled mid 20th century, with their gingerbread stripped, their sides stuccoed, and awkward mid-century elements that didn't fit were tacked on. Some of those have been restored to their Victorian origins, and new, badly-proportioned faux-Victorians have been built with cheaply-milled gingerbread strewn haphazardly about. Time happens to neighborhoods and piers.

People can argue that we go to Disney to escape the real world, and I won't disagree, but my brain will process the incongruent IncrediCoaster styling as simply being a mid-century addition to the Victorian pier, as seen in real life.

None of that means I have any particular respect for this project.
 
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I'm holding out hope that at least Ariel's will finally receive the kind of lavish redo a restaurant in such a prominent location deserves. Currently it has one of the most dated looking interiors of any Disney operated dining spot at the Resort.

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It's laughably bad. Did the designers shop for the butt ugliest dining tables and chairs they could find?
 
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TwilightZone

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
I'm holding out hope that at least Ariel's will finally receive the kind of lavish redo a restaurant in such a prominent location deserves. Currently it has one of the most dated looking interiors of any Disney operated dining spot at the Resort.

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It's laughably bad. Did the designers shop for the butt ugliest dining tables and chairs they could find?
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wasn't this a high class restaurant at one point? how the mighty have fallen if that's the case
or was the restaurant it replaced looked this awful too
 
SSG

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The permit process has started:

BLD2017-05704 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Bldg 501 - Tenant Improvement: Facade demolition only; includes removal of awnings, signs, show set towers, parapet and lattice, canopy for future Tenant Improvement.

BLD2017-05705 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Bldg 510 - Tenant Improvement: Facade demolition only; includes exterior wall siding and doors, awnings, roof, columns and footings, parapet and steel framing for future tenent improvement.

BLD2017-05707 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Hot Dog Cart area 500 - Tenant Improvement: Facade demolition; removal of roof and signs for future Tenant Improvements.

BLD2017-05708 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Turkey Leg Cart - Tenant Improvement: Facade demolition; removal exterior plaster, doors, windows and roofing future Tenant Improvements.

BLD2017-05709 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Entry Pavillion -

BLD2017-05711 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - 503 / Coaster - New commercial construction:

BLD2017-05712 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - 503/ Coaster - Tenant Improvement: 1,456 s.ft new detached canopy structure to existing queue. Added 807 roof structure to East over existing unload platform. Extend 1,108 s.ft roof canopy structure to the north over the existing control tower and unoccupid track area.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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SSG said:
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BLD2017-05712 DCA - Paradise Pier Enhancements - Added 807 roof structure to East over existing unload platform. Extend 1,108 s.ft roof canopy structure to the north over the existing control tower and unoccupid track area.
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Could this be for a show scene at the end of the attraction?
 

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