Out with the Vikings, in with princess

[RandomPrincess]

Even that bothers me ... why would characters from a movie about South America be considered appropriate themeing for a Mexico pavilion?

Panchito is from Mexico and part of Three Caballeros takes place there.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Even that bothers me ... why would characters from a movie about South America be considered appropriate themeing for a Mexico pavilion?

What about Kronk, Kuzco, and Yzma? What about them they are South American..

 

[Matt_Black]

True, I was just referencing the killing and rape comment.

The Viking stance on rape was actually a bit more complex than you'd think.

 

[RandomPrincess]

The Viking stance on rape was actually a bit more complex than you'd think.

Unlike the pirates who hang out in the neighboring park auctioning off women for lord knows what.

 

[Matt_Black]

Unlike the pirates who hang out in the neighboring park auctioning off women for lord knows what.

Actually, now that you bring that up, pirates get an unfair rap a lot, too...

 

[RandomPrincess]

Actually, now that you bring that up, pirates get an unfair rap a lot, too...

I'm not speaking for all pirates but the one in the Magic Kingdom are definitely up to no good. I don't think they want the Redhead to make them pies

 

[Bairstow]

Even that bothers me ... why would characters from a movie about South America be considered appropriate themeing for a Mexico pavilion?

Because at least one of those characters is explicitly Mexican?

 

[Matt_Black]

I'm not speaking for all pirates but the one in the Magic Kingdom are definitely up to no good. I don't think they want the Redhead to make them pies

You don't know that.

 

[Sped2424]

Even that bothers me ... why would characters from a movie about South America be considered appropriate themeing for a Mexico pavilion?

yeah although I do love me the finale song of the ride, that doesn't mean they couldn't have written an original finale song for an actual band to sing, or famous Mexican singer. Maybe a ride showcasing mexico's culture and music, and at the end having a cool finale scene could up the ante. At least showcase Mexican culture, rather than having the three caballero's running around for a last minute concert. The ride is far to short in my opinion. If I had it my way I would make it longer, and showcase Mexican culture and music evolving. Put in a 90's portion with selena and you have me (and many other Hispanic and Latin american's) sold

 

[Sped2424]

Because at least one of those characters is explicitly Mexican?

Don't get me wrong I love the 3 caballero's (and I do love the current ride) but in no way shape or form should they be representative of Mexican culture. Since the ride is in the mexico pavilion and by that logic should represent mexico, Panchito (an american caricature of mexican culture) does not and should not qualify as an accurate reasoning for removing Mexican culture from the ride. These cartoon characters don't really do much to accurately showcase and pay respect to those cultures. Besides half the ride is spent looking for Donald instead of focusing on anything really related to mexico. This is something I am hoping that when dia de los muertos (Tentative title for pixar's upcoming day of the dead film) comes out we can actually have a character that is really representative of Latin cutlure (and a film that goes and showcases that culture), then by all means I am okay with them putting cartoon characters into the ride. Because most likely the characters that pixar will make will for the film will be more educational, and insightful than the current offering we know have.

 

[JerseyDad]

I enjoy that sort of exhibit. Stave churches are fantastic, and uniquely Norwegian. Alas, architecture is one level too deep for 2000's Disney, so it had to be replaced by Vikings, who are attractive because they kill and rape. But even this aspect of Norwegian history is too much for 2010's audience, who want real or cartoon celebs everywhere, all of the time.

Or is that just Disney's marketing, appreciated by only a minority of guests? Maybe there are a lot of us, responsible middle class families who would pay a killing to any company that manages the feat of making the educational fun and the fun educational. Maybe we should raise our voices more, we are driven out by and for the Honeybooboo crowd which is taking over Disney, dragging it ever further down the cultural ladder. Disney marketing injects cartoons everywhere, this lowers the cultural sophistication of WDW, which means it attracts persons of lower cultural taste, to whom Disney then caters by lowering its cultural standard even further. It's a vicious circle


And bring back the Viking ship.

....definitely a 'dumbing down' trend happening in Epcot. Case in point is the narration in Spaceship Earth by Judi Dench ....she is speaking as if the audience is a bunch of 4 yr olds.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Because at least one of those characters is explicitly Mexican?

The Avengers stars a Norse God (Thor) ... does that mean an Iron Man exhibit in the Stave Church would be appropriate? How about a Hulk Meet & Greet?

 

[Bairstow]

The Avengers stars a Norse God (Thor) ... does that mean an Iron Man exhibit in the Stave Church would be appropriate? How about a Hulk Meet & Greet?

I'm sure it occurred to them, but thankfully there's a contract standing in their way.

Instead, that's going into Disneyland's Innoventions. Because that makes sense.

Don't get me wrong I love the 3 caballero's (and I do love the current ride) but in no way shape or form should they be representative of Mexican culture. Since the ride is in the mexico pavilion and by that logic should represent mexico, Panchito (an american caricature of mexican culture) does not and should not qualify as an accurate reasoning for removing Mexican culture from the ride. These cartoon characters don't really do much to accurately showcase and pay respect to those cultures. Besides half the ride is spent looking for Donald instead of focusing on anything really related to mexico. This is something I am hoping that when dia de los muertos (Tentative title for pixar's upcoming day of the dead film) comes out we can actually have a character that is really representative of Latin cutlure (and a film that goes and showcases that culture), then by all means I am okay with them putting cartoon characters into the ride. Because most likely the characters that pixar will make will for the film will be more educational, and insightful than the current offering we know have.

Sure, but my point is that Panchito is Mexican, and part of "Three Caballeros" is set in Mexico.

For the record, I hate, hate the Gran Fiesta Tour overlay, even worse than I hate Stitch's Great Escape and The current Figment abomination. Unlike those other two attractions, Gran Fiesta has no redeemable qualities whatsoever.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Sure, but my point is that Panchito is Mexican, and part of "Three Caballeros" is set in Mexico.

For the record, I hate, hate the Gran Fiesta Tour overlay, even worse than I hate Stitch's Great Escape and The current Figment abomination. Unlike those other two attractions, Gran Fiesta has no redeemable qualities (or animatronics) whatsover.

Yes, but my point is that Thor is Norse, and part of "The Avengers" is set in Asgard. But it's absurd to suggest all of the Avengers are appropriate for the Norse Pavilion (none of them are, including Thor, but I digress). At least we both agree Grand Fiesta Tour sucks.

 

[doctornick]

The Avengers stars a Norse God (Thor) ... does that mean an Iron Man exhibit in the Stave Church would be appropriate? How about a Hulk Meet & Greet?

As an aside, an exhibit based on Norse mythology at Norway would be pretty cool. It could certainly also include Thor (though not specifically the Marvel version).

 

[Sped2424]

I'm sure it occurred to them, but thankfully there's a contract standing in their way.

Instead, that's going into Disneyland's Innoventions. Because that makes sense.

Sure, but my point is that Panchito is Mexican, and part of "Three Caballeros" is set in Mexico.

For the record, I hate, hate the Gran Fiesta Tour overlay, even worse than I hate Stitch's Great Escape and The current Figment abomination. Unlike those other two attractions, Gran Fiesta has no redeemable qualities whatsoever.

That still doesn't justify the characters inclusion in the ride, you took something that had actual cultural relevance and demoted it to a short cartoon featuring characters who only one out of the three actual has any cultural ties to. Would it be justified to re do the American adventure show with mickey an the gang since they are considered american cartoons?

 

[Bairstow]

That still doesn't justify the characters inclusion in the ride, you took something that had actual cultural relevance and demoted it to a short cartoon featuring characters who only one out of the three actual has any cultural ties to. Would it be justified to re do the American adventure show with mickey an the gang since they are considered american cartoons?

I'm not justifying the crappy overlay, I'm just explaining the reasoning behind its creation, in response to the comment that @SunsetLament made.

The Three Caballeros was Walt Disney's attempt to showcase "Latin" countries (including Mexico's) and cultures to American audiences... which is exactly what the Mexico pavilion does... or is supposed to do.

 

[Sped2424]

I'm not justifying the crappy overlay, I'm just explaining the reasoning behind its creation, in response to the comment that @SunsetLament made.

The Three Caballeros was Walt Disney's attempt to showcase "Latin" countries (including Mexico's) and cultures to American audiences... which is exactly what the Mexico pavilion does... or is supposed to do.

Then all for the pochahontas overlay over at the american adventure pavilion?

There really isn't any more reasoning then tying two loose connections to make something more marketable.

 

[Bairstow]

Then all for the pochahontas overlay over at the american adventure pavilion?

Pocahontas wasn't a film intended to introduce American audiences to a foreign country.
So no, that wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Sped2424]

Pocahontas wasn't a film intended to introduce American audiences to a foreign country.
So no, that wouldn't make any sense.

Just like panchito doesn't make any sense being in mexico, The american pavilion is meant to show our past as a country correct? Pocahontas takes place in an very early time in american history just when the colonies were starting to sprout. By your logic it totally makes sense.