Oscar Nominations 2014

[Sped2424]

Yeah, no way the general population would give a guy who married his daughter (Woody Allen) a Lifetime Achievement Award.

I did say many times politics overrule the right decision, now is Woody allen disgusting? Sure, even though his work is wonderful the man is far from it and shouldn't be excused. Whats crazy is even his own SON dug at him and the globes for doing that, also the globes wasn't what I was talking about, I meant the academy I should have specified.
Edit- I did specify apparently

 

[RandomPrincess]

I did say many times politics overrule the right decision, now is Woody allen disgusting? Sure, even though his work is wonderful the man is far from it and shouldn't be excused. Whats crazy is even his own SON dug at him and the globes for doing that, also the globes wasn't what I was talking about, I meant the academy I should have specified.
Edit- I did specify apparently

His son's dig at hm was actually based on another sister who accused Woody of molesting her as a child.

 

[Sped2424]

His son's dig at hm was actually based on another sister who accused Woody of molesting her as a child.

By doing that I meant the tribute in general lol But yeah I know about all that, I am not defending him btw I think he is a terrible person.

 

[RandomPrincess]

By doing that I meant the tribute in general lol But yeah I know about all that, I am not defending him btw I think he is a terrible person.

I didn't think you were defending him. I was just pointing out that he has a questionable history with 2 of his daughters.

 

[Sped2424]

I didn't think you were defending him. I was just pointing out that he has a questionable history with 2 of his daughters.

That is so gross lol Like how, why, I feel like if the grammys held a tribute to chris brown everyone would be up in arms.

 

[RandomPrincess]

That is so gross lol Like how, why, I feel like if the grammys held a tribute to chris brown everyone would be up in arms.

Chris Brown was caught red handed so to speak and there are still plenty of people who defend him. It's a sad part of human nature that people do not want to believe or can't believe that others could be doing these things. Woody has just accusations so people are even more likely to not believe or defend him.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Yeah, no way the general population would give a guy who married his daughter (Woody Allen) a Lifetime Achievement Award.

Yet, Midnight in Paris is a fantastic film.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

His son's dig at hm was actually based on another sister who accused Woody of molesting her as a child.

From Polanski to Allen Hollywood bestows their every beloved child molester with awards.

But when a movie about Walt wins an award, they engage in tirades about obscure notes that show 'the dark prince of Hollywood' Walt wasn't yet a feminist in 1938.

Hollywood removed from mainstream morality? You'd think so. (Ha! Who'd have thought I'd ever pick the moral majority over the 'experimental, liberated' morality of the creative world!)

 

[Magenta Panther]

It's a Disney film featuring our lord & savior Walt. Of course there is going to be gnashing of teeth when the Academy snubs something our Pixie Dusters find worthy of praise. It's sad to them that there are many other (more) quality films under other studio names beside Disney. A fact of life; but hard to accept for many.

Oh, knock off the stereotyping. I dissed Frozen in my review of it, oh yeah, I'm a total Pixie Duster. And - gasp - I like Woody Allen's "Purple Rose of Cairo". But the man is a pervert, plain and simple, by ANYONE'S definition, and yet Walt gets dissed by a member of the Hollywood elite for flaws he didn't possess, while Allen gets a pass, praise and awards. The only entity more unfair than life is Hollywood.

And despite "Saving Mr. Banks" being snubbed by an arrogant Hollywood, it's still in the top 10, even with new movies being released. It's going to be a money-maker - even though it was THE most downloaded (pirated) movie in the world during the last weeks of December. People seemed to want to see it, for some reason...

 

[Californian Elitist]

Oh, knock off the stereotyping. I dissed Frozen in my review of it, oh yeah, I'm a total Pixie Duster. And - gasp - I like Woody Allen's "Purple Rose of Cairo". But the man is a pervert, plain and simple, by ANYONE'S definition, and yet Walt gets dissed by a member of the Hollywood elite for flaws he didn't possess, while Allen gets a pass, praise and awards. The only entity more unfair than life is Hollywood.

You're acting as if Allen's never been called out on his actions before, and Disney's never been praised for his accomplishments. Allen has been criticized MANY times, and Disney has been praised MANY times.

And despite "Saving Mr. Banks" being snubbed by an arrogant Hollywood, it's still in the top 10, even with new movies being released. It's going to be a money-maker - even though it was THE most downloaded (pirated) movie in the world during the last weeks of December. People seemed to want to see it, for some reason...

Again, just because a movie is popular doesn't mean its worthy of an Oscar nomination. What does the movie being the most pirated at the time have anything to do with the subject?

 

[Magenta Panther]

You're acting as if Allen's never been called out on his actions before, and Disney's never been praised for his accomplishments. Allen has been criticized MANY times, and Disney has been praised MANY times.



Again, just because a movie is popular doesn't mean its worthy of an Oscar nomination. What does the movie being the most pirated at the time have anything to do with the subject?

But Walt's still getting dissed for things he never did. Where is Meryl Streep's outrage at Allen's behavior? Even Rosie O'Donnell was disgusted by him. Name one other industry where a known incestuous pedophile would be able to prosper. You can't even get away with that in politics.

I just mentioned the pirating because it probably effected SMB's box office take to some extent. We've already discussed the fact that Oscar voters don't care about a film's popularity. That is true. But that does not exonerate them for completely snubbing "Banks". OR explain the hilarious notion that they have better taste and judgement than moviegoers. I have yet to see any real arguments made for that here - just snobby assumptions.

 

[Tony Perkis]

But Walt's still getting dissed for things he never did. Where is Meryl Streep's outrage at Allen's behavior? Even Rosie O'Donnell was disgusted by him. Name one other industry where a known incestuous pedophile would be able to prosper. You can't even get away with that in politics.

I just mentioned the pirating because it probably effected SMB's box office take to some extent. We've already discussed the fact that Oscar voters don't care about a film's popularity. That is true. But that does not exonerate them for completely snubbing "Banks". OR explain the hilarious notion that they have better taste and judgement than moviegoers. I have yet to see any real arguments made for that here - just snobby assumptions.

Walt Disney is a character in the film, so many people, myself included, believe the film portrayed him a bit too much with a cheery rose tint. The film would actually have been a lot better if they added more depth to his character.

Also, the most pirated film of 2013 was The Hobbit.

 

[AndyLL]

It's a Disney film featuring our lord & savior Walt. Of course there is going to be gnashing of teeth when the Academy snubs something our Pixie Dusters find worthy of praise. It's sad to them that there are many other (more) quality films under other studio names beside Disney. A fact of life; but hard to accept for many.

Oh Please.

It was big news outside of Disney forums that both Thompson and MU did not get nominations.

With MU it was more of a surprise that both Croods and DM2 got in over MU then what they thought of the quality of MU.

But it was a huge surprise that Thompson did not get the nomination and some thought Banks would side into the 10th best picture spto.

 

[Travel Junkie]

But Walt's still getting dissed for things he never did. Where is Meryl Streep's outrage at Allen's behavior? Even Rosie O'Donnell was disgusted by him. Name one other industry where a known incestuous pedophile would be able to prosper. You can't even get away with that in politics.

I just mentioned the pirating because it probably effected SMB's box office take to some extent. We've already discussed the fact that Oscar voters don't care about a film's popularity. That is true. But that does not exonerate them for completely snubbing "Banks". OR explain the hilarious notion that they have better taste and judgement than moviegoers. I have yet to see any real arguments made for that here - just snobby assumptions.

Thought’s about Woody Allen: Talent in any industry will give you multiple chances to screw up and people will look the other way at your indiscretions. Whether it is Hollywood, sports, politics or whatever field, talented people get endless chances. I bet most have experienced that one person at work who gets chance after chance and you can’t seem to figure out why they haven’t been fired that anyone else would have been. It’s probably because they have a lot of talent and management is going to give them more rope. If Allen or Polansky for that matter were average filmmakers they would have never made another movie after their indiscretions were made public. Because they were very talented, they continued to get work and thrive.


Thompson probably deserved a nomination for Banks, but it certainly was not going to get a Best Picture nod. The movie is not thought of that well within the Hollywood community.


To add the snobby Hollywood image yes, those who make movies do have better judgment than the average movie goer at what makes a quality film, just as you have better knowledge than the average person at whatever industry you work in for a living. There are a lot of subtleties that go over the average person’s head. You may know a movie worked or didn't work, but not why. Yes, Saving Mr. Banks worked but at a very simplistic emotional level. The films that were nominated for best picture worked at a higher more complex level. They had more depth to them. That is the difference.

 

[Matt_Black]

Honestly, the Academy is just as whacked in taste as the mainstream audiences, just in different ways. Studio politics, genre preferences over the quality of the film, and flat out shmaltzy sentimentality often are the rule when they dole out awards (calling it now- Bruce Dern is taking home the Best Actor, because he's old, and he didn't win the last time he was nominated).

 

[Tony Perkis]

Honestly, the Academy is just as whacked in taste as the mainstream audiences, just in different ways. Studio politics, genre preferences over the quality of the film, and flat out shmaltzy sentimentality often are the rule when they dole out awards (calling it now- Bruce Dern is taking home the Best Actor, because he's old, and he didn't win the last time he was nominated).

McConaughey will win. He's campaigning even harder than Bruce Dern is, and he's got the comeback kid story that drove Argo to be last year's big winner. He's already won the Globes, and more important, the SAG Award for Best Actor. The latter actually has substantial overlap with Oscar voters.

 

[Matt_Black]

McConaughey will win. He's campaigning even harder than Bruce Dern is, and he's got the comeback kid story that drove Argo to be last year's big winner. He's already won the Globes, and more important, the SAG Award for Best Actor. The latter actually has substantial overlap with Oscar voters.

Yes, but he's still young, in Hollywood terms. It's been nearly 40 years between Oscar nods for Dern, and he's almost 80. He's probably not going to have another shot, so they'll probably give it to him.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Yes, but he's still young, in Hollywood terms. It's been nearly 40 years between Oscar nods for Dern, and he's almost 80. He's probably not going to have another shot, so they'll probably give it to him.

I don't see it.

The Academy didn't award Peter O' Toole once in his career except for a token Lifetime Achievement Award.

With all due respect to Dern, he's no O' Toole. And as the Academy has shown as recently as one year ago, age and experience do not matter. Jennifer Lawrence could be a two-time winner after this year.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Walt Disney is a character in the film, so many people, myself included, believe the film portrayed him a bit too much with a cheery rose tint. The film would actually have been a lot better if they added more depth to his character.

Also, the most pirated film of 2013 was The Hobbit.

The film was really about Ms. Travers, not Walt. And here's a story about how piracy might have affected "Banks" box office: http://if.com.au/2013/12/31/article/Pirates-devour-Saving-Mr-Banks/RSOFKMJWPA.html

 

[Tony Perkis]

The film was really about Ms. Travers, not Walt. And here's a story about how piracy might have affected "Banks" box office: http://if.com.au/2013/12/31/article/Pirates-devour-Saving-Mr-Banks/RSOFKMJWPA.html

Yes, I'm aware of the story. I'm aware Thompson was the lead actress, and Hanks was the supporting actor. Travers was lead, Disney was supporting. That doesn't mean his character was excused from depth. It was a one-note, simplistic role, and Hanks played one-note and simplistic very well.

It was incredibly clear that Disney executives did not give the filmmakers free reign in making this film. It was obvious that they were protecting the image of Walt Disney in this one.

This had to have been one of the cleanest, least controversial PG-13 films I've ever seen, and while there is always a place for good, wholesome entertainment (which Banks was), the choice not to dig deeper into the Travers/Disney relationship is a big reason why so many people don't include as one of the year's absolute best.

Metacritic, which I consider to be the primary source for consensus opinions, has a solid but unspectacular 65/100 from critics and 7.5/10 from users. Compare that to Wolf of Wall Street (75 and 7.9), American Hustle (90 and 7.8), Gravity (96 and 8.2), 12 Years a Slave (97 and 8.1), and Dallas Buyers Club (84 and 8.1). Simply put, your love for the film exceeds that of the average moviegoer and critic.

Thompson maybe should have been nominated for Best Actress (though she would have lost to Cate Blanchett or Amy Adams), but to suggest that Hanks should have been nominated is nuts. His performance in Captain Phillips is substantially better than anything in Banks.