Orlando shootings and the parks

[raven]

Orlando, as with most of Florida, is built and thrives on tourism. Canceling a vacation due to recent events only hurts the local economy even more. This could've happened anywhere in the country. Security is being stepped up everywhere here in Orlando and guests should feel safe.

I have friends of friends who were at the club and were hospitalized after their injuries. Also a coworker of mine lost a friend in this tragedy. He used to work for him at a local mall. So this is hitting very close to home for me.

 

[Kylo Ken]

Any guesses how long it will take to install metal detectors and bag check at Disney Springs? I'm guessing lightning speed, given this news.

http://www.people.com/article/omar-mateen-disney-world-scouted-attacks

That's scary. Honestly though, how realistic is it to install metal detectors and institute a bag check at EVERY entrance-way to Disney Springs? That's no small task. This will definitely lead to a more physical presence of OCSO and other law enforcement agencies though.

 

[Matt_Black]

Regarding Disney Springs, it's quite possible that some of the tenants have various observation and preventative measures. Like how TARGET has one of the top criminal forensics labs in the country.

 

[ToTBellHop]

That's scary. Honestly though, how realistic is it to install metal detectors and institute a bag check at EVERY entrance-way to Disney Springs? That's no small task. This will definitely lead to a more physical presence of OCSO and other law enforcement agencies though.

It can be done. I was honestly shocked that they didn't take the opportunity to do this when they started rebuilding Downtown Disney.

I looked and there are somewhere around 12 entry points now. Through a combination of fences and limiting entrypoints (they could probably function with just 6 of those 12 entries), it could be done. Airports did it.

 

[rioriz]

And nowhere did I dispute that. Claiming an affiliation does not mean he was actually affiliated before hand.

Splitting hairs I guess but the fact that ISIS warned of a FL attack 3 days before and the shooter detailing his relationship during the 911 call,
and the group’s official news agency issued a bulletin quoting “a source” confirming that the shooter was acting on the Islamic State’s behalf. Splitting hairs, but ISIS, much life the Christian belief, have decreed that no matter at which point it is done, if you simply claim your belief and allegiance then you are in essence a part of that organization...

 

[Kylo Ken]

It can be done. I was honestly shocked that they didn't take the opportunity to do this when they started rebuilding Downtown Disney.

I looked and there are somewhere around 12 entry points now. Through a combination of fences and limiting entrypoints (they could probably function with just 6 of those 12 entries), it could be done. Airports did it.

Never said it couldn't be done. I just mentioned that it would be difficult.

Well I can see why it wasn't a thought when Disney started or even announced the rebuilding in 2013. The theme parks at that time didn't even have metal detectors. The world has changed a lot in 3 short years.

 

[DVC91]

Was at Disney Springs yesterday and the increase in foot security was palpable. Saw a bunch of OCPD walking around as well, saw a family sitting in their car and security asked them what they were doing (waiting for their teenagers). Security in World of Disney as well now that I think about it. Someone I work with lost somebody in the events. Sick to my stomach over it and everywhere I go around Orlando has an atmosphere of nervousness and feeling on edge

 

[rob0519]

It can be done. I was honestly shocked that they didn't take the opportunity to do this when they started rebuilding Downtown Disney.

I looked and there are somewhere around 12 entry points now. Through a combination of fences and limiting entrypoints (they could probably function with just 6 of those 12 entries), it could be done. Airports did it.

It's a mall, not a walled in Amusement Park or a single contained building. Once again, if a determined individual wants to commit a devastating act, he/she/they will find a way to do it. I'll put up with the inconvenience of the theater of security to get into a building, an airplane, an amusement park, but I draw the line at not being able to freely come and go at a something as public as a mall. The crowds and inconvenience of Disney Springs is already at times past frustrating. If you're afraid to go out in public, fine, stay home. If gates and metal detectors are added to Disney Springs, I will simply not go. That's just my decision and I am not advocating anyone else to stay away under those circumstances. However, the more freedoms we take away from ourselves, the more these terrorists win.

 

[21stamps]

I was speaking of the system that has been in place since Christmas. I don't believe I attacked their process yesterday, so kindly back off with your attitude mister.

It's at all theme parks now. We have season passes to our local theme park- on opening day we went in as we always do. A few weeks later- outside of the turnstiles was security bag checks and metal detectors. I've heard from other people though that this is not a daily occurrence, so I won't pretend to know the rhyme or reason, but apparently several theme parks have a cause for this additional security recently.

 

[csmat99]

Bag checks and the presence of security makes guests feel safe so they will not stay away. They may be more alert or suspicious of others in line next to them for a while until time passes and the incidents are forgotten. Disney makes people feel safe and relaxed. They communicate that its the outside world theyve left behind thats dangerous. Disney will continue doing well until an incident happens on property ... then guests will rethink trips.

bag checks are meaningless and we shouldn't be giving guests a false sense of security. Everyone should be alert and keep their eyes on their surroundings around them and not on their phones.

 

[skimbob]

WDW has been heavy on security for a long time. The new additions are just a little extra protection. There are things seen and not seen in and around the parks that have always been there. Do I expect it is totally safe NO but as others have said we all need to be vigilant anywhere we go. The only way to stay truly safe is to stay home. Life would not be much fun if you do that.

 

[ford91exploder]

Daesh stated months ago that believers should carry out this sort of attack. I believe the media inspired term is lone wolf, possible because they are fond of goats. People need to stop trying to rationalise things like this. These headbangers are not going to enter into any form of discussion, deluded politicians and their ilk will not accept that there are problems and that square pegs dont fit in round holes. Debate is silenced, criticism vilified and reality ignored at all costs, because it will mean accepting responsibility or taking decisions which may upset some of the elements in your core electorate support.

^^^ THIS ^^^

 

[zero creativity]

This just came across http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats...sney-before-pulse.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

 

[Clyde Birdbrain]

Click Orlando has an article about a CM who has pictures on his Facebook page of hundreds of Disney and Universal employees showing their support: http://www.clickorlando.com/theme-parks/disney-world-employees-share-support-with-orlando

If you click through to his Facebook page there many more.

 

[Belle_MTL]

In regards to the impact on tourism, I think tourism in the US will generally decrease. I'm saying this from an outsiders perspective. It's not just because of this horrific incident, but a combination of things. A lot of conversations that I have lately have been with people saying that instead of vacationing in the US they're going to take the time to travel elsewhere. I know families who camp in the US every summer, and now this year they are not. As for myself, I am seriously reconsidering our upcoming WDW vacation.
As for security, I'm relieved to see that they've put in metal detectors, and I would fully support guests being screened at the resorts before they board the buses/boats (we like to stay at FW).

 

[Cesar R M]

So because you saw a few African Americans get searched, that means they're racially profiling? That's about as absurd as the person who came on here to say security was picking out all women in lines just so they could frisk them.

It happens more often than you think. But many people just want to tap their hears shut and claim "NO RACISM HERE.. WE RE ALL FRIENDLY.. OUR COPS ARE PERFECT!"

http://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked...-planted-drugs-on-black-men-for-years/211745/

 

[Cesar R M]

Unfortunately the ruling elite across Europe want cheap labour, and refuse to accept that there is an issue.
I would say more but its too political for this site and handwringers would get upset.

how is that different form the USA post TLC(NAFTA)?
I mean , its a love hate relationship by using cheap labor (even Trump loves them when its convenient)

And nowhere did I dispute that. Claiming an affiliation does not mean he was actually affiliated before hand.

Agree with you. I honestly believe he (just like the post Columbine massshooters) wanted attention. Nothing more relevant than raising Islamic terrorism connection to get your name splattered everywhere.

 

[Dead2009]

Just read a report on one of the Florida news sites that says they're investigating whether or not WDW was a potential target and that they're arresting someone that helped the shooter carry this out.

 

[TaoBoxer]

Just read a report on one of the Florida news sites that says they're investigating whether or not WDW was a potential target and that they're arresting someone that helped the shooter carry this out.

Apparently, Disney Springs was a potential target. According to the news wire.

 

[disney4life2008]

It happens more often than you think. But many people just want to tap their hears shut and claim "NO RACISM HERE.. WE RE ALL FRIENDLY.. OUR COPS ARE PERFECT!"

http://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked...-planted-drugs-on-black-men-for-years/211745/

I am black male, i got searched at ak and epcot within hours of each other. I also saw a disproportionate number of other black people being searched.