Opinion: Runaway Railway is as much of a classic as Pirates of the Caribbean and Haunted Mansion

Pepper's Ghost

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Notice we never saw World of Motion or Spaceship Earth go to any other resort.

Explain how Spaceship Earth makes sense at any other park? It's a geodesic sphere and it's the central landmark of EPCOT. You can't have a castle at the center of another park like Disneyland Tokyo, and next to it have a giant geodesic sphere for Spaceship Earth. The argument against SE at another park doesn't hold water.
 

RobWDW1971

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Explain how Spaceship Earth makes sense at any other park? It's a geodesic sphere and it's the central landmark of EPCOT. You can't have a castle at the center of another park like Disneyland Tokyo, and next to it have a giant geodesic sphere for Spaceship Earth. The argument against SE at another park doesn't hold water.
Hey, they plopped down Tron next to Space Mountain, put the world's largest warehouse next to the Universe of Energy, and had a hideous castle monster eat the Hong Kong castle, everything is now possible.
 

HongKongFooy

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Is this seriously the only rebuttal I'm going to get? It's been open for two seconds so therefore it's not a classic? Has nobody ever heard of instant-classics? But even that aside, could we explore the topic a bit more than shutting it down with a reply that could've been made without reading a single word of what I wrote in the actual thread? You know... why I would already declare this an instant classic?


Excellent....
Talk to 'em!
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
... put the world's largest warehouse next to the Universe of Energy...
Not even close...
"1. BOEING EVERETT FACTORY, WASHINGTON

The biggest warehouse in the world is the Boeing Everett Factory, in Everett, Washington (USA). Measures in an amazing 4.3 million square feet, it is also the largest building in the world. It was constructed to build the Boeing 747, it now houses assembly for 767s, 777s and the 787 Dreamliner. Just to get the real picture, you could fit 80 football pitches into it and still have some room left over."
 

RobWDW1971

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Not even close...
"1. BOEING EVERETT FACTORY, WASHINGTON

The biggest warehouse in the world is the Boeing Everett Factory, in Everett, Washington (USA). Measures in an amazing 4.3 million square feet, it is also the largest building in the world. It was constructed to build the Boeing 747, it now houses assembly for 767s, 777s and the 787 Dreamliner. Just to get the real picture, you could fit 80 football pitches into it and still have some room left over."
But can you see it if it's painted blue?
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
But can you see it if it's painted blue?
Parts of it ARE painted blue... can you see them?

Boeing_Everett_Plant.jpg
 

HongKongFooy

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Almost none of the criticism has much to do with the ride itself. Instead, opting to criticize the location of the ride and rationalizing that since it is a kid-friendly dark ride (Haunted Mansion is too guys...) it MUST belong in Fantasyland. Others are simply bitter that it replaced a charming, but hopelessly outdated attraction

Those types of negative criticisms are misplaced and irrelevant because they don't address the topic at hand: the actual merits(or lackthereof) of the Mickey Runaway attraction. The other complaints are outside and independent of the subject attraction.
 

justintheharris

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Original Poster
Explain how Spaceship Earth makes sense at any other park? It's a geodesic sphere and it's the central landmark of EPCOT. You can't have a castle at the center of another park like Disneyland Tokyo, and next to it have a giant geodesic sphere for Spaceship Earth. The argument against SE at another park doesn't hold water.
IT DOESN'T. That was a point I was trying to make. Spaceship Earth does not make sense anywhere other than EPCOT. That is why EPCOT classics are a whole separate category together. Those attractions are branded together for a reason.

And given how obsessive half the forum is over classic Epcot attractions, I thought that was clearly understood here.
 

Pepper's Ghost

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IT DOESN'T. That was a point I was trying to make. Spaceship Earth does not make sense anywhere other than EPCOT. That is why EPCOT classics are a whole separate category together. Those attractions are branded together for a reason.

And given how obsessive half the forum is over classic Epcot attractions, I thought that was clearly understood here.

Sorry, I didn't pick up on that, but I follow you now. My bad.
 

HongKongFooy

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justintheharris,
I gave you a like on your opening post even though I really don't agree with you too much on your important points. Ultimately it's a screen ride attraction and I'm terribly biased against those. I enjoy rides with tangible, full sets and AA's like Pirates and Mansion.
I appreciate your interesting take and you created a worthy topic for discussion. So I gave a like.

Oh and keep using the word 'classic' as I find it appropriate considering the context here. Too many want to discredit you or distract us from the real conversation by applying some narrow definition. English expands and contracts and its elasticity allows us to breathe with ideas.
 

justintheharris

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Original Poster
Sorry, I didn't pick up on that, but I follow you now. My bad.
And @MrConbon makes an interesting observation that Spaceship Earth is changed every so often and usually the change is warmly received while a change to Haunted Mansion or Pirates causes a riot. And perhaps that could be one way (of MANY, I mean.. we could always just call it an Epcot classic when it was in Epcot of course) to distinguish an Epcot classic from a standard Disney classic. Classic Epcot attractions REQUIRED changes every few years to keep their overall purpose in place. However, Disney quickly saw how that became impractical due to the high costs and how much downtime the rides would have and that contributes to why there are very few classic Epcot attractions left. I would guess that Spaceship Earth has probably only been spared the same fate as Horizons, World of Motion and Universe of Energy because of the fact that it's in the icon of the park.

Meanwhile, the standard Disney classics go decades without a single change and it's not due to the attractions not receiving proper maintenance (different can of worms) but it's because they often struggle to find out how they could improve it. For example, every time I go on Haunted Mansion with someone who's never been to Disney before I love asking "are these projections?" and then explaining pepper's ghost effect and how projections would probably look very out of place in the ballroom. Therefore, pepper's ghost works just fine and probably is better suited for the scene than modern day projection technology and if they ever did switch over, it would probably not be a welcomed update.
 
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Pepper's Ghost

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And @MrConbon makes an interesting observation that Spaceship Earth is changed every so often and usually the change is warmly received while a change to Haunted Mansion or Pirates causes a riot. And perhaps that could be one way (of MANY, I mean.. we could always just call it an Epcot classic when it was in Epcot of course) to distinguish an Epcot classic from a standard Disney classic. Classic Epcot attractions REQUIRED changes every few years to keep their overall purpose in place. However, Disney quickly saw how that became impractical due to the high costs and how much downtime the rides would have and that contributes to why there are very few classic Epcot attractions left. I would guess that Spaceship Earth has probably only been spared the same fate as Horizons, World of Motion and Universe of Energy because of the fact that it's in the icon of the park.

Meanwhile, the standard Disney classics go decades without a single change and it's not due to the attractions not receiving proper maintenance (different can of worms) but it's because they often struggle to find out how they could improve it. For example, every time I go on Haunted Mansion with someone who's never been to Disney before I love asking "are these projections?" and then explaining pepper's ghost effect and how projections would probably look very out of place in the ballroom. Therefore, pepper's ghost works just fine and probably is better suited for the scene than modern day projection technology and if they ever did switch over, it would probably not be a welcomed update.

I agree with almost everything in this post. The one thing I'll mention is that both PotC and HM have gone through several changes, some I liked, and others I didn't. I guess I'm okay with tasteful changes even to classics, but not all of them are. For example:

HM - I liked when they added the room of illogical staircases. I know not everyone like it, but it was much better than a very dark room with spiderwebs. I thought it added a neat dimension to the ride. That's probably where my likes ended. 😁 The new graveyard queue is an abomination... as were the changed ghosts-in-the-doom-buggies illusion at the end of the ride. AWFUL! I hate the Constance Hatchaway update to the bride. It's terrible, and now she looks like a man instead of a ghost. The floating Leota orb is very bad. I'm just praying they don't change anything else. The only one that might be half acceptable is Hattie... if done tastefully.

PotC - The ride that inspired a movie, that in turn inspired the ride. I liked the addition of "Jack Sparra'" to the ride in multiple scenes. Loved the movies, so this actually worked for me. I liked when they added the Davey Jones projection to the mist near the beginning, but I think that's permanently gone now unfortunately. I hate the changes to the wench auction. I understand the reason for it, but to me it's overboard political correctness. I apologize if I offend anyone with that opinion, but I have the right to my opinion. At the same time I love the scene were the women are chasing the pirates with brooms. 🤣
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Well, a Disney classic is going to be different than a Six Flags classic. And perhaps this thread was done with the point of provoking the thought "what makes a ride a classic?" And there's no one size fits all. As I made clear, I think story telling is a defining feature but even I admit the holes in my explanation. Some may say popularity but, let's be real guys, Carousel of Progress is not exactly the attraction with the highest demand and is considered a classic by many. Is it a ride Walt worked on? Splash Mountain wasn't touched by Walt and is near unanimously a classic. And some may just say time but I think there's more to it than that. I wouldn't call Astro Orbitor a classic on the sole basis it's been there a long time.
Most people in the thread seem to be in agreement that time is required to be a classic attraction although, if you believe in instant classics, Runaway Railway has many dimensions of one.


Alas, I could make a counter case: Any ride that closes less than two weeks after it opens = a flop or a WDW albatross.. This new ride isn't drawing any $ to WDW right now.

*****
The idea of any attraction being a classic, is always going to be subjective. One person, or one marketer, calling something is 'classic' doesn't make it true. There has to be some wider group that all agrees.

And even then, it is always going to be an opinion.

I feel like perhaps you are confusing opinion with fact. You opinion is only your own opinion. A widely held opinion is still only a widely held opinion. Other people are allowed to have different opinions, no matter how much anyone tries to say otherwise.
 

NickMaio

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MMRR is a perfect* Disney attraction.

*with a slight imperfection in that the 4th car gets a poor show imo.
This is a slight imperfection........

Honestly to the OP's question......
No I dont think it will be a classic ride.
"Not by a long shot"
 

DisneyAndUniversalFan

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Yea as others said, no. It literally just came out, give it some time to consider it a “classic.” I’m honestly so confused with everything your trying to prove now. This comment section is fantastic though. You should think about posting these “opinions.”
 
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