On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Nubs70

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Always wanted that ski resort. Now you are making me think again, if done right how amazing something like that could have been.
I have trouble how a Disneyfied ski resort would be received.

To theme areas with a bunch of toons would be tacky. To theme the resort as a ski resort, it already is a ski resort.

To have a huge amount of after ski activities would presume a high demand for after ski activities for which most do not have the energy after a day skiing. Everyone from age 5 on up ski all day. There is no stroller parking at Vail, the kids are active.

The only differentiator would be in service. However, most ski resorts have already WDW beat hands down in level of service.
 

Heppenheimer

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I have trouble how a Disneyfied ski resort would be received.

To theme areas with a bunch of toons would be tacky. To theme the resort as a ski resort, it already is a ski resort.

To have a huge amount of after ski activities would presume a high demand for after ski activities for which most do not have the energy after a day skiing. Everyone from age 5 on up ski all day. There is no stroller parking at Vail, the kids are active.

The only differentiator would be in service. However, most ski resorts have already WDW beat hands down in level of service.
I think a Mont Tremblant-style resort would work for Disney:


Ever hear of Apres-Ski? Its practically a way of life in European resort towns.
 

Nubs70

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I think a Mont Tremblant-style resort would work for Disney:


Ever hear of Apres-Ski? Its practically a way of life in European resort towns.
Yes I know of Apres Ski. I have skied all over the Rockies for years and go from first tracks to last off the mountain. By the end of the day, I am beat. I do a good hot tub with drinks, dinner,.a bit of TV then to bed.

Nothing like hip deep powder. The closest thing to floating on a cloud.
 

DisneyDebRob

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I have trouble how a Disneyfied ski resort would be received.

To theme areas with a bunch of toons would be tacky. To theme the resort as a ski resort, it already is a ski resort.

To have a huge amount of after ski activities would presume a high demand for after ski activities for which most do not have the energy after a day skiing. Everyone from age 5 on up ski all day. There is no stroller parking at Vail, the kids are active.

The only differentiator would be in service. However, most ski resorts have already WDW beat hands down in level of service.
Agree for the most part. Maybe a adults only ski resort. Tons of hot tubs.. beer flowing.... maybe a nude mogul run.. ok, that last one would hurt, and be a bit cold. Anyway, I agree no way on Disney characters but I bet they could come up with something amazing.
As for ski resorts beating WDW in service, some yes. I’ve been to Stowe, Killington and Mt.Snow on the east coast and Vail and Big Sky. Service has been good but compared to Disney of the 70’s and 80’s, no comparison, Disney wins hands down. Maybe today it’s a lot closer but haven’t been out west in awhile but Disney still beats the east coast resorts.
 

tirian

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This narrative is revisionist, but go off.
Not really. WDW’s legacy is the result of the Disneyland standards built within a relatively small creative studio, and its reputation is based on nostalgia for quality that was there “once upon a time.” I haven’t been keeping up with this thread and don’t know how the comment fits into a greater context, but this one post is accurate. :cool:
 

tirian

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I’d give him 5/10 for the following reason:

Movies. Buying marvel (&pixar) was probably Iger‘s smartest move. MCU was already in progress but disney reaped a lot of the benefits. Lucasfilm has been a mess but could be ok in the long run. The rest of the movie business has been disappointing rehashing of the past. Live action remakes and sequels very few original films withdrawing from hand drawn animation, ending the relashonship with ghibli, bruckhiemer etc. Pre Isner disney was much more rounded with touchstone, Hollywood pictures, miramax and new franchises like Pirates, National treasure etc if this had continued Disney probably wouldn’t have needed to buy fox for adult content.

tv. Not living in the US I know enough about the us tv market to really comment on this. Others im sure will know more about the ecconomics of ESPN etc. From a UK perspective Disney lost sky to comcast. Longer term Disney+ will help the transition from cable but disney need to develop a whole household solution worldwide rather than just kiddy content.

parks. Shanghai got built. Money was spent to undo some of the timid investments of the late Eisner era with DCA redo and investment in Hong Kong. DLP was fully bought out. Too much spent on the wrong things like the whole magic band project rather than building things so the parks stagnated for too long. Lots of cost cutting and closures with no replacements, reduction in show quality to improve bottom lines and brand harvesting from charging top dollar for reduced experience will harm Disney long term. Changing the resorts, especially WDW to child based marketing rather than whole household is a mistake IMO creating retreating back to the 70/80s dorky image
Much of recent spend was reactionary and in response to Universal - galaxy edge & Pandora are attempting to replicate Harry potter land rather than be their own thing (See various attempts to make a marketable butterbeer through blue milk etc) Too much reliance on IP which will date product. DVC became more prominent at the expense of regular resorts. Expansions away from the parks was timid Hawaii was built but projects like national harbour were dropped. Elsewhere the cost cutting and price rises are risking long term gains for short term profit. I think the best you can say is that after Iger you still have to go to Japan for the best experience

corporate/other rising share price and growth but from acquisitions and raising prices rather than growing into new businesses, except streaming. Fox may or may not be a good move longer term but Disney probably overpaid. Reduced quality in other areas like turning disney stores into toy shops

overall - Disney has grown by addition rather than creation often at the expense of reducing the value of existing assets Iger did well financially but not creatively and may have harmed the company in the longer term from short term gains.

It’s a fairly accurate take on things. I’ll also give Iger credit for restoring the parks during his first few years, but it didn’t take long for him to lose interest and re-focus on becoming a media behemoth. Considering how things have turned out with Pixar and Lucasfilm, and how the company now gushes money and depends on tentpole films and crowded parks to be profitable, I’d also give him a 5/10.

Maybe we could knock it to a 4 if we considered the ultra-low creative quality of almost every WDP film or Disney Channel series. The company is making money hand over fist, especially through the MCU, yet the majority of its Disney-branded output is creatively below its past standards. It feels like we’re heading back to the levels of ‘70s live-action, but now including animation and television.
 
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SteamboatJoe

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How about more stand-alone resorts? Maybe try venturing outside of their warm-weather comfort zone with something like a ski resort? It was one of the projects that Walt wanted to develop.

I'd like to see Disney's take on agritourism. It could also mix-in some old-school Frontierland attractions, a Fort Wilderness campground, and an indoor water park.
 

_caleb

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I'd like to see Disney's take on agritourism. It could also mix-in some old-school Frontierland attractions, a Fort Wilderness campground, and an indoor water park.
Agritourism!
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_caleb

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Not really. WDW’s legacy is the result of the Disneyland standards built within a relatively small creative studio, and its reputation is based on nostalgia for quality that was there “once upon a time.” I haven’t been keeping up with this thread and don’t know how the comment fits into a greater context, but this one post is accurate. :cool:
Thanks. Edited my post calling @Prog 's take "revisionist."
 

Ldno

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If you get laid off do you get to keep the benefits? I am pretty sure one of the low key perks is employee pricing for ticketing, but still
 

JoeCamel

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If you get laid off do you get to keep the benefits? I am pretty sure one of the low key perks is employee pricing for ticketing, but still
Pricing? If you work for the mouse you are granted so many entrances a year. If you are laid off you get nothing, if you are furloughed they are paying health care benefits nothing more.
 

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