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On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace
- Thread starter pheneix
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Well, considering Cedar Fair owns thirteen parks in the US, all but two of which are seasonal, you could say they've spread their footprint into a much more regional focus, diluting the "national draw" aspect (other than Cedar Point) and concentrating their trade in the summer months. With those limitations, they still manage to hit 25 million people a year across their enterprise...
DznyGrlSD
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UNCgolf
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Doesn't Six Flags draw even more people than that yearly while operating on a similar model (i.e. a lot of regional parks that are only open seasonally)? Although I think Six Flags has more than 13 locations, so they may draw less on a per park basis.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Anyone that suggests I-76 or I-80 are “highways” have obviously never driven through Pennsylvania
brb1006
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Really interested in this.*logs in*
“Oh, 27 pages”
*walks away from monitor*
I’ll be back to add more later on.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Are you seriously that oblivious to what's going on in the rest of the country? People in these states are not allowed to travel to Florida without quarantining for 14 days on their return, by order of their governors. It has nothing to do with employers, these are state mandates. The list includes all six New England states plus New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Walt Disney World cannot survive on domestic tourism when all six New England states plus New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania aren't allowed to travel.
Connecticut - population 4 million
Washington DC - population 1 million
Chicago - population 3 million
Kansas - population 3 million
Kentucky - population 4 million
Maine - population 1 million
Massachusetts - population 7 million
New Hampshire - population 1 million
New Jersey - population 9 million
New Mexico - population 2 million
New York - population 19 million
Ohio - population 12 million
Pennsylvania - population 13 million
Rhode Island - population 1 million
South Carolina - population 9 million
Vermont - population 1 million
_caleb
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I’m fine with the whole “Super-Team of Insiders dropping in to convince all the hoaxers that things are indeed really bad inside of Disney” thing because I agree with their message. But it seems more and more like I’m reading a reputation management campaign than a fan forum here.
I asked Steve if multiple members posting here (on this thread, in particular) from the same IP address—which would indicate that it’s a few people posing as a larger number of members—something that would help me as a member and casual participant know how to interact on here.
UNCgolf
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The point went right over your head, didn't it?
First of all, as I already said, most of those states are not within easy driving distance of Disney. Not impossible and some people do it, but most would fly and most people aren't going to fly right now regardless. Beyond that, some of those quarantine orders aren't being enforced. I know for a fact South Carolina's is not enforced for anyone who is driving. You're being naive if you think the quarantine orders are having any kind of significant effect on WDW attendance.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
You said, and I quote, "there are plenty of people who could go to Disney if they wanted without having to deal with any of those issues."
When New England and the mid-Atlantic are banned from outbound tourism, there are not, in fact, "plenty of people" to go to WDW. I'm not sure where you think WDW visitors come from, but it ain't Wyoming or even California.
UNCgolf
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Even throwing out South Carolina as a quarantine state (despite the fact that SC citizens could go to Disney without quarantining if they felt like it), there are over 50 million people who could be going to WDW just in Florida, North Carolina, and Georgia. Throw in Tennessee, Alabama, and Louisiana, and you're up to 65+ million. I think that counts as plenty of people.
peter11435
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Listen. The quarantine orders and travel restriction are absolutely having a significant impact on WDW. WDW does not survive normaly on guests within driving distance.
Sure there are million who live within driving distance but the vast majority of WDW visitors typically do not. So you shouldn’t expect those that are “local” to come in higher percentages than they do normally
Twice as many locations. But I gotta say, tracing Six Flags' corporate history is like trying to trace a Wall Street bank's heritage...
TeriofTerror
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I live 20 miles from Cedar Point. I've been to WDW around two dozen times since the last time I visited CP. It's not all about location.
peter11435
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Exactly. If cedar point was as popular as WDW then Sandusky would be the vacation capital of the world and not Orlando.I live 20 miles from Cedar Point. I've been to WDW around two dozen times since the last time I visited CP. It's not all about location.
That just tells me that (a) you're not a coaster junkie, (b) you're addicted to Disney, and (c) do you have a spare room you'd like to rent?I live 20 miles from Cedar Point. I've been to WDW around two dozen times since the last time I visited CP. It's not all about location.
tirian
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I’ve been suspecting the same thing for a few weeks, even before all the poop hit the fan.
UNCgolf
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Of course they don't, but you're assuming there's some kind of huge backlog of people who would absolutely be coming to Disney if there were no quarantine orders. That seems incredibly naive to me. I'm sure there would be some and attendance would increase, but if every single quarantine order was lifted today Disney would not suddenly have a mass influx of visitors rushing to the parks. I think you guys are vastly overestimating how much the average American pays attention to or cares about something like a quarantine order if it's not being strictly enforced (and while it may be in some states, it certainly isn't in all).
People aren't going to Disney because of Covid.
Air travel restrictions are a different topic to me. That definitely has a bigger effect even just with less flights available and less capacity on those flights, beyond anything else mandated by the states.
Sandusky doesn't have the room (or the climate) to be the vacation capital of Ohio, much less the world.
peter11435
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I never meant to imply that there would suddenly be a mass influx of visitors. The point is that WDW generally pulls from a global pool of guests, and now due to travel restrictions and quarantine orders they are pulling from a drastically smaller pool of potential visitors and most of them are rightfully apprehensive at the moment.