On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[marni1971]

A current tip actually isn't a subsidy. It encourages people that otherwise wouldn't get into or stay in the profession to do so. Because providing excellent service will result in greater monetary reward than what a higher established hourly wage would. The higher hourly wage is actually the subsidy because it subsidizes poor service. Their is no reward for quality service because you are going to get paid the same as the person busting their but to deliver quality service.

Look, if you don't want to reward bad service while still not denying a server some sort of decent hourly wage just tip 10% to 15%. I always tip at least 15% no matter how bad the service because I worked in the industry and know even the best servers can have a bad hour or two. But I am a really generous tipper when I get good service and I worked in the industry at one point. It shouldn't be expected for others to tip like I do.

If you get bad service on a meal where a tip percentage higher than what you think is deserved is automatically added to your bill, ask to speak to manager before you pay your bill. Most places will adjust the charge to what you believe is appropriate for the service.

The sad fact is if you go to the higher hourly wage to replace tipping, tipping is going to basically disappear for quality service. In almost every restaurant where prices have been raised to support a higher hourly wage, servers have been banned by the employer from accepting any tip. If a customer still leaves a tip on the table the money must go to a charity if the customer refuses the return of the money. So good servers have had to take a huge pay cut and have been leaving the business in areas where local ordinances have required that servers be paid a full minimum wage amount.

Look, the Cambridge English Dictionary definition of a tip:

“to give someone who has provided you with a service an extra amount of money to thank them”

The sad fact is if you go to the higher hourly wage to replace tipping, tipping is going to basically disappear for quality service.

It works outside of the US. It’s not my fault your system is flawed.

 

[Heppenheimer]

It works outside of the US. It’s not my fault your system is flawed.

There's a whole lot of simple things that work everywhere else that we seem to be incapable of here, mainly for lack of trying.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If the service is good then they deserve a tip. If it’s not then it’s the fault of the employer for not paying the going rate in the first place.

Which in effect is what the tip is. So increase the price by 20% and receive a tip on top if service warrants it.

A tip is a tip. Not a subsidy.

The Cambridge English dictionary of a tip:

“to give someone who has provided you with a service an extra amount of money to thankthem”

In the US...a tip is not a subsidy.

It is basically the entire salary. Its whether a person can live or cannot.

That’s what it is.

And to be clear: this is something we do stupidly...it’s a terrible model and a way for employers to schlept costs on the consumer above what they charge for their product.

 

[marni1971]

In the US...a tip is not a subsidy..

A tip is a tip. Or it would be called a subsidy.

Or is like football vs soccer?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A current tip actually isn't a subsidy. It encourages people that otherwise wouldn't get into or stay in the profession to do so. Because providing excellent service will result in greater monetary reward than what a higher established hourly wage would. The higher hourly wage is actually the subsidy because it subsidizes poor service. Their is no reward for quality service because you are going to get paid the same as the person busting their but to deliver quality service.

Look, if you don't want to reward bad service while still not denying a server some sort of decent hourly wage just tip 10% to 15%. I always tip at least 15% no matter how bad the service because I worked in the industry and know even the best servers can have a bad hour or two. But I am a really generous tipper when I get good service and I worked in the industry at one point. It shouldn't be expected for others to tip like I do.

If you get bad service on a meal where a tip percentage higher than what you think is deserved is automatically added to your bill, ask to speak to manager before you pay your bill. Most places will adjust the charge to what you believe is appropriate for the service.

The sad fact is if you go to the higher hourly wage to replace tipping, tipping is going to basically disappear for quality service. In almost every restaurant where prices have been raised to support a higher hourly wage, servers have been banned by the employer from accepting any tip. If a customer still leaves a tip on the table the money must go to a charity if the customer refuses the return of the money. So good servers have had to take a huge pay cut and have been leaving the business in areas where local ordinances have required that servers be paid a full minimum wage amount.

Most of this is counteract by labor studies and/or effective models in other countries.

It’s what I call “Gipperwashing”

 

[MisterPenguin]

Iger should be ashamed of his tipping legacy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A tip is a tip. Or it would be called a subsidy.

Or is like football vs soccer?

What i’m saying is that in practice a tip is the difference between having staff or not.

I get what you’re saying about semantics and oxford English...but you know we Americans are terrible at English...

Trust only what we do...not what we say. Tips are salaries for tens of millions of service workers. Because it’s better for the business owners. And so it shall be.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Iger should be ashamed of his tipping legacy.

Que?

 

[marni1971]

What i’m saying is that in practice a tip is the difference between having staff or not.

I get what you’re saying about semantics and oxford English...but you know we Americans are terrible at English...

Trust only what we do...not what we say. Tips are salaries for tens of millions of service workers. Because it’s better for the business owners. And so it shall be.

If that’s the case, there’s no argument for tourists not tipping if they don’t consider the service deserved it.

Deserved is not propping up an insufficient wage. If the system is broke don’t expect the customer to fix it.

God we are bored today aren’t we?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Que?

So you *don't* look what thread you're posting in!! Haha!!!



Mira el título.

 

[Heppenheimer]

What i’m saying is that in practice a tip is the difference between having staff or not.

I get what you’re saying about semantics and oxford English...but you know we Americans are terrible at English...

Trust only what we do...not what we say. Tips are salaries for tens of millions of service workers. Because it’s better for the business owners. And so it shall be.

That probably goes part of the way to explaining why rapid table turn-over in the US is so pronounced.

 

[Mac Tonight]

"I think we're tipping people now just for the absence of outright hostility." - Jerry Seinfeld

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If that’s the case, there’s no argument for tourists not tipping if they don’t consider the service deserved it.

Deserved is not propping up an insufficient wage.

I’m not arguing that stance.

But th proletariat fights back too...word gets out.

You’ll get the “special sauce” on your sandwich if you place yourself in a “no tip” demographic.

 

[marni1971]

I’m not arguing that stance.

But th proletariat fights back too...word gets out.

You’ll get the “special sauce” on your sandwich if you place yourself in a “no tip” demographic.

Love to let them try it. Only I don’t turn green.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That probably goes part of the way to explaining why rapid table turn-over in the US is so pronounced.

Like in Walt Disney world?

Absolutely.

They rack you for huge fees...the waiters get large tips on those fees to do little for each party.

What a scam, huh??

One thing is for sure: no Stammtisch will be allowed!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Love to let them try it. Only I don’t turn green.

...oh...your intestines/spleen would beg to differ

 

[marni1971]

...oh...your intestines/spleen would beg to differ

Been there. Done that. California Grill.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So you *don't* look what thread you're posting in!! Haha!!!



Mira el título.

This was never really about Spray Tan Bob...And there’s been 487 tangents since the start.

Besides...his crappy dining plan is always a spectre worthy of discussion.

Perturbationibus fieri

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Been there. Done that. California Grill.

Bravo...well played, sir

 

[marni1971]

Bravo...well played, sir

I felt sorry for the janitor who went into the lobby gents after I’d left. Wish I could apologise despite not being my fault.

Annddd..... that’s too much information I think.