Oh no, say it ain't so, Joe..

[Magicart87]

So we armchair imagineer on our podcast and my suggestion was to have the entrance to a gondola based Asian safari begin inside the track footprint of Kali. To get there they would need to make another bridge over the Kali track (roughly by the existing restrooms).

Great idea! If they can't extend Kali's track, adding a bridge crossover would at least add more visuals and possibly allow Imagineering to incorporate some makeshift waterfall or tunnel scene using that bridge as a show element. Yes, please!

 

[RSoxNo1]

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I have to believe he was handed a lousy assignment and did what he could with it. In the case of this, yes it's over the top, but if he was told to retheme a 50 foot building and he did that, the complaints would be reduced. Tower of Terror stood out in that park from day one and was a visual intrusion to Cars Land well before it's makeover to Mission Breakout. Aesthetics aside, Mission Breakout is also a better ride than DCA's Tower.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Just an opinion...

But I think “the oasis” was a mistake from the start...like early 1998 before the park was open to the public kinda mistake.

The grade up and down from the gates was unnecessary. I get they were going for a “grand reveal”...but when you can see 3/4 of the damn tree from the parking lot...and Osceola parkway...it just became unnecessary.

And hence it’s a choke point. DAK’s modified “spoke” pattern doesn’t quite work either...the area around the tree is too big and no development between Asia and dinoland made it ineffective at the time.

The park might just be a tad too big. And not enough obvious flow such as Epcot or the magic kingdom.

While I like the Oasis entrance, I can kind of see your point here. I'm not sure what the answer would be as there were several entrance proposals outlined in Joe's wife's book about the making of the Animal Kingdom. I still believe they should have animals upon entering the park, but perhaps done a bit differently. Perhaps keep with the two main paths, but have the center section be a large exhibit as well instead of the ability to criss/cross.

As for the gradient aspect of it, I'm not sure if there's a functional purpose to that. At castle parks there's a slight grade down that serves the purpose of "speeding you up" as you enter and "slowing you down" as you leave.

 

[tirian]

Ok...

You’re quoting joke comments.

 

[tirian]

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Dictated from clueless execs, but yeah, it’s ugly.

 

[dreday3]

Wait...people don't like Animal Kingdom?

That park is pure gold.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dictated from clueless execs, but yeah, it’s ugly.

...all will fall beneath the boot of “brand symmetry”

 

[HongKongFooy]

And hence it’s a choke point.

There's that choke talk again.........


Just when I thought we dropped it off at the last exit here it is again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wait...people don't like Animal Kingdom?

That park is pure gold.

Some people don’t like it...most Disney fans do.

But...and this is where we never can all agree...it costs waaayyyyy too much to operate each day and it’s been a disappointment as compared to the costs/goals of the park when it was conceived and built.

It’s not all on the park or the designers though...old Mikey didn’t realize where was an invisible 7 day barrier on most travel. It was a legitimate mistake...but one that could have been anticipated.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There's that choke talk again.........


Just when I thought we dropped it off at the last exit here it is again.

It is a choke point...I’m not gonna try to argue it...it’s not that significant...but it is

 

[HongKongFooy]

The meandering walkways and other decisions based on making you feel like you’re on an adventure only work in WDI Theoretical Happy World Land where there are no crowds and no rush to get to FP or dining reservations

Not quite .........as proven by some testimony here it works for guests, too.

 

[MisterPenguin]

You’re quoting joke comments.

Oopsie!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The meandering walkways and other decisions based on making you feel like you’re on an adventure only work in WDI Theoretical Happy World Land where there are no crowds and no rush to get to FP or dining reservations.

This is one of those things Eddie Sotto, Tony Baxter, Tim Delaney, and others got incredibly right at DLP.

Not quite .........as proven by some testimony here it works for guests, too.

There is a battalion of ardent DAK defenders that really have made approval of the layout to seem much higher than it probably is with the whole customer base.

I love DAK...but I think Tirian is more right than wrong here.

 

[HongKongFooy]

The grade up and down from the gates was unnecessary.

I want it. Changing elevations, even slightly, gives opportunity for a more natural feel especially for water movement and jungle walking.

 

[Crazydisneyfanluke]

So, we have:

• DAK is a masterpiece
• DAK is trash

Which is right? Well, somewhere in between saying DAK is great but has specific issues. Which is what I've been saying, so...

All I know is its not a zoo....

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I want it. Changing elevations, even slightly, gives opportunity for a more natural feel especially for water movement and jungle walking.

Fair

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I have to believe he was handed a lousy assignment and did what he could with it.

And it's still ugly.

The decision to retheme ToT was not his idea, but the end result is what his team decided was best. It did not have to be that ugly.

 

[HongKongFooy]

And it's still ugly

The topic is "Joe" and there is some hate about AK layout and the Guardian facade is ugly.




Time to play Ugly Kid Joe's' song "hate everything about you"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And it's still ugly.

The decision to retheme ToT was not his idea, but the end result is what his team decided was best. It did not have to be that ugly.

The outside was DOA...the ride itself?? I kinda like it. The rocket is one of the best AAs as far as pure enjoyment for me

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The topic is "Joe" and there is some hate about AK layout and the Guardian facade is ugly.




Time to play Ugly Kid Joe's' song "hate everything about you"

We don’t know about what’s up with Joe...

So we’re talking about his history/work.

You busy on this here chatboard?