Politics OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

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Captn EO

Well-Known Member
There's a certain naivety in continually pushing the singular idea that all problems would be solved by Disneyland reopening.

You may remember that I said, back in June that reopening itself wasn't the hard part. That was echoing something I tried to community back in March: the return to normal will not happen until people feel safe to return to normal, and that is just as much about public perceptions as it is shelter-in-place orders. If people don't feel safe to travel, they will not travel, regardless of what is or is not open.

The perfect example of this now is Walt Disney World, where, with a 'business-friendly' government they are operating with no restrictions imposed on them. That push to be 'business-friendly' and put the economy first, has overall hurt Florida's image as being safe for tourists. WDW is operating at a fraction of their available capacity due to the lack of tourism in the state. They have laid off more people in Florida than they have at Disneyland.

The same will happen at Disneyland if people do not feel it is safe to return. Thankfully, the state's stringent guidelines for reopening promote a sense of taking this virus seriously and promoting safety over reopening. That is the key to maintaining the image as a safe travel destination and will be the key to continuing to attract out-of-state and international travelers in the future. People have to feel safe in order to return to Disneyland.

Waving a wand to remove restrictions does absolutely nothing to make people feel more safe and will do absolutely nothing to help Disneyland return to normal. There has to be more done, at the community level, to promote health and safety. Only after people feel we are taking this seriously, can they consider returning as a tourist.
Other things to keep in mind are:

People are not speanding as much money as they used to (due to fear of job loss)

Going to another state requires a 2 week quarantine in most jobs. Most people don't have that amount of time off.

I don't think it's about Florida being seen as unsafe by any means. No outbreaks have been linked to Disneyworld or Universal.

Whether Disneyland reopened in July 2020, or July 2022, there are always gonna be people uncomfortable with it post pandemic. I don't think people believe Florida is unsafe, but I do think people will be uncomfortable with traveling (for leisure) for many years.
 

GimpYancIent

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Other things to keep in mind are:

People are not speanding as much money as they used to (due to fear of job loss)

Going to another state requires a 2 week quarantine in most jobs. Most people don't have that amount of time off.

I don't think it's about Florida being seen as unsafe by any means. No outbreaks have been linked to Disneyworld or Universal.

Whether Disneyland reopened in July 2020, or July 2022, there are always gonna be people uncomfortable with it post pandemic. I don't think people believe Florida is unsafe, but I do think people will be uncomfortable with traveling (for leisure) for many years.
Excellent, correct! Captn EO you hit it on the head. No sensationalism, no graphs, no charts, no conflicted volumes of data. Just some common sense. No this is a refreshing post.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's about Florida being seen as unsafe by any means. No outbreaks have been linked to Disneyworld or Universal.

Not directly, but that's only because the state has really refused to explore the matter with any depth. The lack of support at the state level, and the cavalier attitude toward supporting it, has continually kept Florida in the news as one of the hardest hit COVID hot spots. That kind of news tends to drown out any tourism messages trying to be put out.

I do think you're generally right that tourism will just be down for awhile no matter what.

California is slightly different, especially for Disneyland, since so much of their audience is locals and at least for now, the locals are strongly supportive of the actions being done to control the virus. So convincing people that it's safe to return to Disneyland is also trying to convince people that their opinions and expectations are wrong, which would be exceptionally hard to do from a PR standpoint. That's why (so far) Disney has been losing the PR battle in reopening.
 

LastoneOn

Well-Known Member
You really need to rephrase some of your wording. But you being a new member I understand.
Dear kind sir, I must most vehemently disagree with your assertion that my phraseology is in some way in need of modification. There are moments, and the example you have cited being one of those moments, when the situation calls forth a requirement for creativity and a banishment of convention. Being a long time visitor of this forum I have myself experienced as a reader an enormous variety of prose, a variety of course that one must accept as this forum is composed, one can only assume for one has no direct knowledge of the user base, of a variety of individual human beings each with their own level of educational accomplishment, understanding and comprehension of English, English being the chosen language of this forum, and each with their own unique writing and general communication styles.

Could be worse. Ulysses has a 4300+ word sentence.

And we're just talking, having fun. If we can't poke at each other a bit then why play :)
 
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lazyboy97o

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Other things to keep in mind are:

People are not speanding as much money as they used to (due to fear of job loss)

Going to another state requires a 2 week quarantine in most jobs. Most people don't have that amount of time off.

I don't think it's about Florida being seen as unsafe by any means. No outbreaks have been linked to Disneyworld or Universal.

Whether Disneyland reopened in July 2020, or July 2022, there are always gonna be people uncomfortable with it post pandemic. I don't think people believe Florida is unsafe, but I do think people will be uncomfortable with traveling (for leisure) for many years.
People stopped traveling before any restrictions. Job losses are not across the board and some industries are booming. Those people are still not traveling.

Businesses restricting employees’ personal travel is a huge example of people being concerned and voluntarily acting. Many companies are still working from home and a quarantine requirement doesn’t mean much if you have to spend two weeks working from home when you would otherwise be working from home. It’s also not just personal travel. Companies have massively cut back on business travel and it’s not just a result of cost cutting.
 

Captn EO

Well-Known Member
Not directly, but that's only because the state has really refused to explore the matter with any depth. The lack of support at the state level, and the cavalier attitude toward supporting it, has continually kept Florida in the news as one of the hardest hit COVID hot spots. That kind of news tends to drown out any tourism messages trying to be put out.

I do think you're generally right that tourism will just be down for awhile no matter what.

California is slightly different, especially for Disneyland, since so much of their audience is locals and at least for now, the locals are strongly supportive of the actions being done to control the virus. So convincing people that it's safe to return to Disneyland is also trying to convince people that their opinions and expectations are wrong, which would be exceptionally hard to do from a PR standpoint. That's why (so far) Disney has been losing the PR battle in reopening.
Youre right that the news angle right now is totally against Florida's favor, but its important that like you said, to acknowledge that the entire travel industry is going to be low for a few years at least.

I would have to disagree about thinking locals are into these closures. I know people on all areas of the political spectrum, none of which seem happy with business closures. No one's going to want to do leisure trips period, but I think people are pro reopening, even if they dont wish to attend themselves.

Now that we have colder weather again and rates are going up, I do see support waning for reopening places.
 

cmwade77

Well-Known Member
Youre right that the news angle right now is totally against Florida's favor, but its important that like you said, to acknowledge that the entire travel industry is going to be low for a few years at least.

I would have to disagree about thinking locals are into these closures. I know people on all areas of the political spectrum, none of which seem happy with business closures. No one's going to want to do leisure trips period, but I think people are pro reopening, even if they dont wish to attend themselves.

Now that we have colder weather again and rates are going up, I do see support waning for reopening places.
Don't say no one wants to do leisure trips, many of us do and are doing them. Now that isn't to say that you be stupid about them, but it is quite possible to do so safely.
 

Tay

Active Member
Florida governor is a moron who opened up the states to early. We are all grown and know that there are Covid cases linked to WDW And USO that are unreported. Newsom is doing the right thing. DL and USH aren’t nearly as big as the parks in Florida. California is one of the least vaccinated states and has had multiple measles breakouts at DL and USH. They can’t even control a disease that has had an effective vaccine for decades yet he is on a power trip because he doesn’t want to risk a huge outbreak of an unknown disease?

It’s unfortunate that so many people’s livelihoods are being affected right now while the idiots in charge of us bicker over giving citizens a measly $1200 but we are in a pandemic with a strange disease that’s affecting everyone differently. You can’t buy a life. I would rather be broke than dead. This issue is making the theme park community look really bad.
 

George Lucas on a Bench

Well-Known Member
Florida governor is a moron who opened up the states to early. We are all grown and know that there are Covid cases linked to WDW And USO that are unreported. Newsom is doing the right thing. DL and USH aren’t nearly as big as the parks in Florida. California is one of the least vaccinated states and has had multiple measles breakouts at DL and USH. They can’t even control a disease that has had an effective vaccine for decades yet he is on a power trip because he doesn’t want to risk a huge outbreak of an unknown disease?

It’s unfortunate that so many people’s livelihoods are being affected right now while the idiots in charge of us bicker over giving citizens a measly $1200 but we are in a pandemic with a strange disease that’s affecting everyone differently. You can’t buy a life. I would rather be broke than dead. This issue is making the theme park community look really bad.

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cmwade77

Well-Known Member
Florida governor is a moron who opened up the states to early. We are all grown and know that there are Covid cases linked to WDW And USO that are unreported. Newsom is doing the right thing. DL and USH aren’t nearly as big as the parks in Florida. California is one of the least vaccinated states and has had multiple measles breakouts at DL and USH. They can’t even control a disease that has had an effective vaccine for decades yet he is on a power trip because he doesn’t want to risk a huge outbreak of an unknown disease?

It’s unfortunate that so many people’s livelihoods are being affected right now while the idiots in charge of us bicker over giving citizens a measly $1200 but we are in a pandemic with a strange disease that’s affecting everyone differently. You can’t buy a life. I would rather be broke than dead. This issue is making the theme park community look really bad.
Actually, we are all grown and can look at numbers objectively and understand that no cases are linked to any theme park anywhere in the world at present.

Here is the bottom line, someone asked a very valid question in one of these thread and it bears repeating, along with the appropriate answer:
  • Question: How many Americans would you let die before giving up your freedom?
    • Answer: Every single one, myself included, because there are many, many Americans who literally died to ensure that we have the freedom we do today. If we give up that freedom, all of those deaths become meaningless.

I don't know about you, but I don't think giving up freedom for some "temporary safety" is a good way of handling things.

If you are fearful of a virus which you are unlikely to catch and has at least a 98% survival rate, even for those with preexisting conditions, then by all means stay at home, but don't try to force everyone else into doing the same to "protect your health". If you start making others responsible for your health, then they can start forcing you to change your diet, making you exercise, etc.

The bottom line is the ONLY people responsible for keeping me healthy are my doctor and myself. We need to get back to a world where everyone takes personal responsibility and not expect everyone else to bend over backwards so that you can feel safe.

Additionally, we know that the safety would only be temporary, there will be no solution until the majority of the population gets COVID, there will likely be no safe vaccine, so let's stop acting like there will be and accept that life has risks and move on.
 

truecoat

Well-Known Member
Actually, we are all grown and can look at numbers objectively and understand that no cases are linked to any theme park anywhere in the world at present.

Here is the bottom line, someone asked a very valid question in one of these thread and it bears repeating, along with the appropriate answer:
  • Question: How many Americans would you let die before giving up your freedom?
    • Answer: Every single one, myself included, because there are many, many Americans who literally died to ensure that we have the freedom we do today. If we give up that freedom, all of those deaths become meaningless.

I don't know about you, but I don't think giving up freedom for some "temporary safety" is a good way of handling things.

If you are fearful of a virus which you are unlikely to catch and has at least a 98% survival rate, even for those with preexisting conditions, then by all means stay at home, but don't try to force everyone else into doing the same to "protect your health". If you start making others responsible for your health, then they can start forcing you to change your diet, making you exercise, etc.

The bottom line is the ONLY people responsible for keeping me healthy are my doctor and myself. We need to get back to a world where everyone takes personal responsibility and not expect everyone else to bend over backwards so that you can feel safe.

Additionally, we know that the safety would only be temporary, there will be no solution until the majority of the population gets COVID, there will likely be no safe vaccine, so let's stop acting like there will be and accept that life has risks and move on.

You seem to ignore the growing list of complications many survivors are having. Strokes, lung damage, heart damage, brain damage or just lingering symptoms for months. On top of this, hefty medical bills.
 

Dr. Hans Reinhardt

Well-Known Member
Actually, we are all grown and can look at numbers objectively and understand that no cases are linked to any theme park anywhere in the world at present.

I really wish you would quit parroting this nonsense from Central Florida officials and theme park executives. There is simply no way to state this as fact without a comprehensive national contact tracing program.
 

October82

Well-Known Member
The bottom line is the ONLY people responsible for keeping me healthy are my doctor and myself. We need to get back to a world where everyone takes personal responsibility and not expect everyone else to bend over backwards so that you can feel safe.

So well said. Thank you!

Speaking of responsibility - it amazes me how often some choose to forget their most basic responsibilities to people other than themselves.
 
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Travel Junkie

Well-Known Member
The bottom line is the ONLY people responsible for keeping me healthy are my doctor and myself.

That is categorically untrue. Human health is highly dependent on your environment and surroundings. This stands for both physical and mental health. Drunk driving laws by definition limit "freedom" but the law is in place to protect human health. Environmental conditions affect your physical and mental health. I could go on, but the point is clear. As much as you and others that talk about personal freedom and such fail to admit is that your health depends on the actions of others.
 

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