OC Register - Disneyland and Universal Studios ask Newsom not to finalize theme park reopening plans just yet

[cmwade77]

The issue is IF Disneyland and many other amusement park open, how much COVID spike will it cause? We don’t need more death case to spark up in the name of economy. Our safety of society health matter more than money!

I would laugh at Anahiem and others who pushed for no restriction in place if they had their way.

The answer is absolutely no spikes at all, this have been proven world wide with theme parks. Yes, there needs to be reasonable restrictions to accomplish this, but it can be done.

And you say health matters more than money, but ignore mental health, health of those whose livelihoods depend on the theme parks, after all if they can't eat, how can their health be good? The list goes on and on and yet there isn't a single case of COVID spread attributed to a theme park anywhere in the world.

 

[cmwade77]

They are reporting cases are up 41% than just a month ago. That's nuts!!! And that's really the issue I think. They barely have a grip on it now here in California and they are desperately trying to make the numbers move south but the second you open all these parks, then all the progress can disappear in a matter of weeks.

I hear everyone that wants these parks open. Even I'm inching to go back to Disneyland now. But same time, you look at where things are nationally and I'm sorry I can't blame them for this move, especially given everyone is so afraid it can get worse once winter comes. Reality is there just needs to be a real national plan. Or we are gong to have this yo-yo effect for possibly years or at least until a vaccine comes. America should've done what so many other places did and most of these parks would be open now. Sure its easy to get upset over what the Governor is doing, but let's also remember majority of theme parks in the country are still closed. Florida is the only big exception. And to be fair it seems to be OK, but that state too is now going back up in cases, so yeah.

Actually, the only ones closed are the seasonal parks and even many of them are open.

 

[October82]

They are reporting cases are up 41% than just a month ago. That's nuts!!! And that's really the issue I think. They barely have a grip on it now here in California and they are desperately trying to make the numbers move south but the second you open all these parks, then all the progress can disappear in a matter of weeks.

I hear everyone that wants these parks open. Even I'm inching to go back to Disneyland now. But same time, you look at where things are nationally and I'm sorry I can't blame them for this move, especially given everyone is so afraid it can get worse once winter comes. Reality is there just needs to be a real national plan. Or we are gong to have this yo-yo effect for possibly years or at least until a vaccine comes. America should've done what so many other places did and most of these parks would be open now. Sure its easy to get upset over what the Governor is doing, but let's also remember majority of theme parks in the country are still closed. Florida is the only big exception. And to be fair it seems to be OK, but that state too is now going back up in cases, so yeah.

A big part of the problem is normalcy bias. The idea that things will remain much as they have been in the past. Initially that manifested in calls for businesses to reopen and opposition to mask-wearing. Once limits on business and mask wearing became the normal, the belief that the "new normal" is good enough has become really common, and the calls for the parks to reopen have gotten louder.

Your post is spot on. Right now, the winter looks like it is going to be really bad. We are likely to see 100-200,000 deaths in the next four months. We never got to where we should have over the summer - nor has there really been any effort to get there - and so we are going into the winter with a significant starting disadvantage.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I vote we start injecting Regeneron in between everyone's toes. But that's me.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

See, you're doing a thing that will destroy this thread. You guys are always hitting that Political Self Destruct button.

 

[ThreadMaster5]

Steakhouse 55 is a fun restaurant (and will probably not close completely), but the target demographic of convention goers and business dealers won't be returning for quite some time. I'd imagine Napa Rose will have some issues going forward too.

You would think that but they surprisingly were hit the least, only a few were let go, it is a third party tho so that could be why

 

[TP2000]

Steakhouse 55 is a fun restaurant (and will probably not close completely), but the target demographic of convention goers and business dealers won't be returning for quite some time. I'd imagine Napa Rose will have some issues going forward too.

It would appear they're cutting their losses on the Disneyland Hotel and casting it adrift. They weren't going to reopen it last July when they tried to reopen the first time. Why would they try a second time if they can reopen next March?

The Walt Disney Company still has capital to draw from, and they still have some basic cashflow coming in from their parks all around the world that have already reopened except for the ones in dirty, unhealthy, deadly Anaheim where the WalMart people go. If they can get Disneyland Resort kind of reopened by this winter or early spring, they'll survive.

But they certainly won't need the Disneyland Hotel in 2021. They'll piece together some weird business model that has a stripped down Paradise Pier Hotel operating on floors 1 thru 6 only and no room service or bellmen, and two of the four wings of the Grand Californian with a breakfast option at Storyteller's and a dinner option at Napa Rose. It will be a shell of its former self, but at least it will still kind of exist and a few remaining Grand Californian CM's who think providing Airport Sheraton level customer service is "World Class!" will still give big cheesy grins under their masks as they tell you they can't help you with pressing your slacks or delivering a BLT to your room after 9pm but "Have A Grand Day!!!!" anyway.

But I'm beginning to think that if Disneyland can't piece together that reduced and stripped down business plan by next March, and this closure drags on past the one year mark, they may need to pack it in on the Disneyland Resort.

As you've said repeatedly with very little detail, Anaheim needs to think beyond tourism. Might as well start now, if they don't get Disneyland reopened within six months. Bulldoze the Disneyland Resort and turn it into 2,000 apartments, three Starbucks, a Happy Nails and a Trader Joe's. But since it's west of I-5 and a tad too non-white, Trader Joe's won't touch it and it will just be an Aldi instead.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I'm Vegan but I'd go down the street to that Fleming's Steakhouse at the new Westin if it opened. Looks great.

 

[TP2000]

I'm Vegan but I'd go down the street to that Fleming's Steakhouse at the new Westin if it opened. Looks great.

They'd be able to do a tasty artichoke thing, and a great salad with a sparklingly fresh vinaigrette, and a berry-based dessert. Because it's Flemings, the service is really top-notch. It's not Steakhouse 55, and you won't ever be told "no".

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I don't want to see anything at DLR close, even the crap I don't like.

 

[TP2000]

Just wanted to chime in and say that the night before our DL Hotel wedding (a few years ago) valet, the front staff, and steakhouse 55 all made our experience really special (comped valet, free dessert, upgraded hotel room). The meal was fantastic too (Dry Rub Ribeye, Truffle Macaromi, Garlic Potatoes, 24 Layer Cake) as was the service.



We also had the pleasure of going on Mar 7 this year (last Saturday Disneyland was open) and had a great time.

Napa Rose definitely has better service, but I haven't had bad luck at all with SH55.

I'm sad to see it go away.

Storytellers was also a special place to us but they ruined it by changing it into all buffet dining.

I'm honestly glad to hear they had a good night for you!

I have had some good steaks there over the years. Although the sides always kind of fell flat. And the service, well...

But as a local who has popped in there every couple years since the 50th, I've been left disappointed far more times than I've been impressed. And it seemed to be getting worse in the latter 2010's, especially their bar and their hostess staff. Gawd, one night there around '18 was just a comedy of errors and messy-messy CM lumps in sad sack polyester vests with greasy hair lumping around the dining room like a closing shift at Coco's.

Like I said, I was not at all surprised to hear that the staff at Steakhouse 55 was "decimated" in the current layoffs.

Honestly, what was the point of keeping that place alive?

The Disneyland Hotel is dead, so its mediocre restaurants should also be dead.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Literally nothing you just posted makes any sense.

 

[TP2000]

Literally nothing you just posted makes any sense.

I had to read it twice, and I'm still confused. And it's a Monday night and I've only had one glass of wine.

I'm pretty sharp on a Monday night.

 

[Darkbeer1]

This how Terminator starts.

You meant The Outer Limits!

 

[Darkbeer1]

Disneyland Providing Multiple Methods of Free COVID-19 Testing For Cast Members - Anaheim Independent

The Disneyland Resort is offering three different ways for cast members to obtain free COVID-19 tests. “We have finalized a plan for all working cast members of the Disneyland Resort to have access to free, easily accessible testing options,” Disney theme parks chief medical officer Pamela Hymel...

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>>The most militant Resort union, UNITE-HERE Local 11, appears to be in no hurry for the Resort to re-open so it’s members can return to work. The Anaheim Resort shutdown – not only of Disney properties but the general area hotel shutdown – had resulted in approximately 90% of Local 11 members being laid-off or furloughed.

An estimated 950 Local 11 members will be included among the 28,000 cast members being laid off. However, the militantly progressive union is apparently applying no pressure on Governor Newsom to allow the Resort to re-open so its members can return to work.

“The union will engage in bargaining with the company over issues including job security and healthcare coverage,” was Local 11’s only comment.<<

 

[Darkbeer1]

State agencies plan visits of California theme parks this week to develop reopening plans

Newsom commented on amusement parks reopening guidelines during a news conference on Monday, Oct. 12.

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>>Newsom’s top concerns about reopening large theme parks like Disneyland focused on the mixing of large crowds and encouraging national and international travel during a global pandemic.

“They’re small cities,” Newsom said of theme parks. “They’re people from all around the world that descend, not just people that are proximate to these theme parks that come together and mix.”

Newsom anticipates his administration will issue separate reopening guidelines for smaller and larger theme parks in the state.

“I am very mindful, for example — if you have a park, in a city, with a Ferris wheel — that that’s not a ‘theme park’ in the sense so many of us consider,” Newsom said during the news conference. “So one has to distinguish between the two.”<<

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Someone send him a copy of Roller Coaster Tycoon.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

You meant The Outer Limits!

Harlan would certainly say so!

 

[Darkbeer1]

Harlan would certainly say so!

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[el_super]

It would appear they're cutting their losses on the Disneyland Hotel and casting it adrift. They weren't going to reopen it last July when they tried to reopen the first time.

The hotel has been under refurbishment. That's why they were not planning to reopen in July. That also indicates that they are not casting it 'adrift.'