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nWo-Thunder...RIP
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Had he ONLY been spamming, it would have been overlooked. Had he only been arguing with Jay-Rod, it would have been ignored (by Steve) Had he only been debating with Now & I about his anti-gay stance, he would not have been banned. The list goes on...it was not one specific action, but a culmination of several events that led to his termination. Had these events been spread over time, he probably wouldn't have been banned! He came in here, and in barely one week, managed to irritate several members, then bragged about how he likes to "liven" up discussion groups! My personal feeling is that , even if it were not his initial intention, after a few days, his main purpose turned to disrupting this forum! The exchanges were getting more and more heated, and a major flame war was brewing. Steve has a right to maintain order on this forum, and the majority of the people here appreciate it.
This is only my opinion, and I certainly do not speak for everyone, or even the majority, on this board. As I mentioned to him in one of my posts, it is always a good idea to lurk a bit before jumping into a new group to get a feel for how members interact. The whole mess started with his assuming an insult from Jason aimed at Mr P was directed at him. When they both assured him that it was not, instead of saying "Oh, nevermind, your post wasn't clear, OK" he made a big stink about it! From that point on, if his subsequent posts could be taken more than one way, they were taken in a negative sense by members involved in that exchange. Surely you have allowed people you like get away with behavior you would never tolerate in someone you dislike! I'm afraid that's what happened here.
Other people (myself included) have gotten off on the wrong foot. Sometimes, apologizing just to keep the peace, even if you feel you've really not done anything wrong, is necessary. Just a little bit of humility, and a "Let us agree to disagree on this point" attitude would have prevented his being banned.
Sorry this is so long! I real enjoy this forum, and these incidents really do upset me!
mightyduck
Well-Known Member
Well said, Marcia. Tom, nWo's attitude was hostile and abusive, and anyone who would sent the kind of messages he sent privately to abuse and harass members here as a result of this forum is not someone I want to have anything to do with....
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks, Steve.
mightyduck
Well-Known Member
Oh, and Tom, there is a premium members lounge where the graphic nature of nWo's attack was listed....It is not appropriate for the public area of the forums, and I can assure you, it was beyond offensive...
Scooter
Well-Known Member
While I realize that I am not a major contributor I believe that I do, on occasion, contribute some helpful information to this site. (patting self on the back)
I come here to receive and hand out tips to make mine and hopefully other peoples trips to Disney World and other Central Florida destinations a more pleasureable experiance.
This site has been a great help over the past year for me. I am kept informed of closings and other recent changes in the parks. I am greatful to Steve and all who have contributed to this forum.
However...(You KNEW this was coming didn't you?) I am a little dissapointed at some of the attitudes of the members of this forum recently. Without naming names (You know who you are)
I see alot of people trying to run this discussion board like it was their own. I think it's Steves job, as the forum moderator to analyze, interpret, and then weed out any bad eggs here, not mine or anyone elses. I respect Steve and believe he has the intelligence to know when enough is enough and will act accordingly when the need arises.
I also feel that some of the regulars are guilty of "Spamming" in here just to run up their post counts and should not be throwing stones at people who they say are doing it.....again...I am not trying to pick on any one individual here...that's not my point at all...I enjoy ALL your company and look forward to all your future posts...I just hope in the year 2002, they are made to inform and help, not just to run up numbers.
I know I am going to catch slack for this post. I expect that. But if I can make a few of you think before you post, then it may be worth the hassle I get from some of you.
To Steve and all the members of this Discussion board, I wish you a Happy New Year and I hope we can continue our friendship here in the years to come.
I come here to receive and hand out tips to make mine and hopefully other peoples trips to Disney World and other Central Florida destinations a more pleasureable experiance.
This site has been a great help over the past year for me. I am kept informed of closings and other recent changes in the parks. I am greatful to Steve and all who have contributed to this forum.
However...(You KNEW this was coming didn't you?) I am a little dissapointed at some of the attitudes of the members of this forum recently. Without naming names (You know who you are)
I see alot of people trying to run this discussion board like it was their own. I think it's Steves job, as the forum moderator to analyze, interpret, and then weed out any bad eggs here, not mine or anyone elses. I respect Steve and believe he has the intelligence to know when enough is enough and will act accordingly when the need arises.
I also feel that some of the regulars are guilty of "Spamming" in here just to run up their post counts and should not be throwing stones at people who they say are doing it.....again...I am not trying to pick on any one individual here...that's not my point at all...I enjoy ALL your company and look forward to all your future posts...I just hope in the year 2002, they are made to inform and help, not just to run up numbers.
I know I am going to catch slack for this post. I expect that. But if I can make a few of you think before you post, then it may be worth the hassle I get from some of you.
To Steve and all the members of this Discussion board, I wish you a Happy New Year and I hope we can continue our friendship here in the years to come.
Originally posted by Scooter
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However...(You KNEW this was coming didn't you?) I am a little dissapointed at some of the attitudes of the members of this forum recently. Without naming names (You know who you are)
I see alot of people trying to run this discussion board like it was their own. I think it's Steves job, as the forum moderator to analyze, interpret, and then weed out any bad eggs here, not mine or anyone elses. I respect Steve and believe he has the intelligence to know when enough is enough and will act accordingly when the need arises.
I also feel that some of the regulars are guilty of "Spamming" in here just to run up their post counts and should not be throwing stones at people who they say are doing it.....again...I am not trying to pick on any one individual here...that's not my point at all...I enjoy ALL your company and look forward to all your future posts...I just hope in the year 2002, they are made to inform and help, not just to run up numbers.
I know I am going to catch slack for this post. I expect that. But if I can make a few of you think before you post, then it may be worth the hassle I get from some of you.
To Steve and all the members of this Discussion board, I wish you a Happy New Year and I hope we can continue our friendship here in the years to come.
I'm sorry if you have been hassled, and hope it was an isolated incident.
I can see the validity of most of what you said, and certainly can recognize myself as one of the "mini" Steve's! Sometimes it's very hard to tell when a difference of opinion is (or will be) escalating into a major dispute, and Steve needs to be called in. I guess we try to settle things among ourselves first before calling on Steve , which oftentimes makes the situation worse! I'm afraid it's part of my personality to be a meddler, but my New Year's resolution will be to try to keep it under control!
As far as the spamming to increase post count goes, I can only speak for myself when I say I don't really know what mine is! I'm afraid most of my spam is really thread drift...you know, someone will post something which reminds me of something else...you get the picture. it might just be a sign of old age.
Anyways, I get your point. A lot of us use this as a sort of private club, which is wrong. We should all make an effort to confine the frivolities to chit chat and Premium Members lounge, and keep the forums on topic.
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Scooter
While I realize that I am not a major contributor I believe that I do, on occasion, contribute some helpful information to this site. (patting self on the back)
I come here to receive and hand out tips to make mine and hopefully other peoples trips to Disney World and other Central Florida destinations a more pleasureable experiance.
This site has been a great help over the past year for me. I am kept informed of closings and other recent changes in the parks. I am greatful to Steve and all who have contributed to this forum.
However...(You KNEW this was coming didn't you?) I am a little dissapointed at some of the attitudes of the members of this forum recently. Without naming names (You know who you are)
I see alot of people trying to run this discussion board like it was their own. I think it's Steves job, as the forum moderator to analyze, interpret, and then weed out any bad eggs here, not mine or anyone elses. I respect Steve and believe he has the intelligence to know when enough is enough and will act accordingly when the need arises.
I also feel that some of the regulars are guilty of "Spamming" in here just to run up their post counts and should not be throwing stones at people who they say are doing it.....again...I am not trying to pick on any one individual here...that's not my point at all...I enjoy ALL your company and look forward to all your future posts...I just hope in the year 2002, they are made to inform and help, not just to run up numbers.
I know I am going to catch slack for this post. I expect that. But if I can make a few of you think before you post, then it may be worth the hassle I get from some of you.
To Steve and all the members of this Discussion board, I wish you a Happy New Year and I hope we can continue our friendship here in the years to come.
A lot of us joke around about the post count thing but I don't think that most people really care. As for spammers, I look at someone like nWo who in less than a week racked up something like 130 posts most of which were either a plug for his site, a pointless comment someplace (like in the favorite hotel gift shop thread he said "I don't know because I've never been to any of them") or a hostile remark. His very first post was a hostile remark directed towards me in response to my posting of the car pictures in the back lot at Universal. A lot of us (myself included) tend to thread drift out there and play around but there is at least one other person involved. When he posted, the only person he seemed to be playing with was himself. I felt bad after he and I went around a few times and he backed down. If you go back and look in the Universal threads you'll see most of that conversations in my posts (with his posts quoted since all his posts are now gone). I tried to be nice to him several times. I asked him at least a half dozen times to use the quote feature so that we would all know what he was talking about and he would either ignore me or tell me why he didn't need to use it (I was responding to the original question in the thread) only to not use it when responding to me half way through the thread. Also, if there was any doubt, it was put to rest in the members section. Posted there are the transcripts of some of the harassing remarks that he made (and apparently is continuing to make) to some of our members. I'm sure that the reason they do not appear out here is because of their rather graphic nature and the large amount of bad language used in t hem. When I saw some of that I was really, really sorry that I tried to be nice to the guy.
Some of us should probably focus our off topic posting to chit-chat and the members lounge more often (myself included) and Marcia is right in saying that we sometimes confuse this place for some kind of a private club but I'm pretty sure that just about ALL of the members who have been here for any length of time consider this group a family. We do have a sense of order here where people remain nice to each other for the most part. As a person who was there when it started, I can say that nWo brought what happened to him on himself. He even got hostile towards Steve a few times in the Universal threads. And anyone who has ever read Steve's posts knows that he's a just about the most tolerant person on here.
If Steve seems a little erratic sometimes letting some of us who have been here break rules that he doesn't let new people break there is good reason. He knows us. He knows we don't mean any harm and that we do contribute to the group. When somebody comes in and right off the bat starts stirring the pot and bragging about it - that's a sign of trouble. I was a part of Steve's email list and I can tell you that Steve was a lot more democratic in the way he ran that group which resulted in a group that argued constantly about stupid things. We would get people (like nWo) who would start right in on a Disney sucks banter and it was like, why the hell did someone like you even join this group? Personally, I'd rather have things the way they are over here any day and if it means Steve telling me to shut up or to do better at keeping on topic or to make my posts shorter so be it. All he has to do is say the word.
BTW, happy new year's to you and everyone else here as well!
:sohappy:Jay-Rod Jr
New Member
Originally posted by MrPromey
A lot of us joke around about the post count thing but I don't think that most people really care. As for spammers, I look at someone like nWo who in less than a week racked up something like 130 posts most of which were either a plug for his site, a pointless comment someplace (like in the favorite hotel gift shop thread he said "I don't know because I've never been to any of them") or a hostile remark. His very first post was a hostile remark directed towards me in response to my posting of the car pictures in the back lot at Universal. A lot of us (myself included) tend to thread drift out there and play around but there is at least one other person involved. When he posted, the only person he seemed to be playing with was himself. I felt bad after he and I went around a few times and he backed down. If you go back and look in the Universal threads you'll see most of that conversations in my posts (with his posts quoted since all his posts are now gone). I tried to be nice to him several times. I asked him at least a half dozen times to use the quote feature so that we would all know what he was talking about and he would either ignore me or tell me why he didn't need to use it (I was responding to the original question in the thread) only to not use it when responding to me half way through the thread. Also, if there was any doubt, it was put to rest in the members section. Posted there are the transcripts of some of the harassing remarks that he made (and apparently is continuing to make) to some of our members. I'm sure that the reason they do not appear out here is because of their rather graphic nature and the large amount of bad language used in t hem. When I saw some of that I was really, really sorry that I tried to be nice to the guy.
Some of us should probably focus our off topic posting to chit-chat and the members lounge more often (myself included) and Marcia is right in saying that we sometimes confuse this place for some kind of a private club but I'm pretty sure that just about ALL of the members who have been here for any length of time consider this group a family. We do have a sense of order here where people remain nice to each other for the most part. As a person who was there when it started, I can say that nWo brought what happened to him on himself. He even got hostile towards Steve a few times in the Universal threads. And anyone who has ever read Steve's posts knows that he's a just about the most tolerant person on here.
If Steve seems a little erratic sometimes letting some of us who have been here break rules that he doesn't let new people break there is good reason. He knows us. He knows we don't mean any harm and that we do contribute to the group. When somebody comes in and right off the bat starts stirring the pot and bragging about it - that's a sign of trouble. I was a part of Steve's email list and I can tell you that Steve was a lot more democratic in the way he ran that group which resulted in a group that argued constantly about stupid things. We would get people (like nWo) who would start right in on a Disney sucks banter and it was like, why the hell did someone like you even join this group? Personally, I'd rather have things the way they are over here any day and if it means Steve telling me to shut up or to do better at keeping on topic or to make my posts shorter so be it. All he has to do is say the word.
BTW, happy new year's to you and everyone else here as well!
Well said ****head! ROTFLAMO! Sorry couldnt resist!
Due to the following outburst we 've had on the forums of late. the following comment I just made was towards Mr. P and only Mr.P not anyone else!:lol:
And of course he only knows I kidding! See me laughing!:lol:
DisJosh
Well-Known Member
Scooter, if you're refering to the rubbish and all the thread drifts here in Chit Chat as spam then you are very wrong. The Chit Chat forum is here for this foolishness...and posts here dont go towards your post count. I don't recall seeing any of the "regulars" of the board spam, except for my self when I first showed up and these guys took action and set me strait,
Jay-Rod Jr
New Member
Originally posted by MrPromey
Steve was alerted to the creation of this account before you even said anything. So it's only a matter of time.
lol I hope your not implying this is thunder! lol
Jay-Rod Jr
New Member
Originally posted by MrPromey
What else should I think? The idea of there being more JayRods in the world is just too frightening to imagine!
And I would think you would know your freinds by now!:lol:
Jay-Rod Jr
New Member
lol thanks! LMAO!!!! I'm far from thunder or a Mr.P would call me I'm the lightening Rod!:lol:
Jay-Rod Jr
New Member
Originally posted by MrPromey
Okay, now I know you are an imposter if you think Jay and I are friends!
:lol:
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
I don't know who it was that made the comment about him posting to drive up his count but consider this: In each members profile there is an average daily post count recorded which does not take into account the number of posts in this section. He never posted to this section at all and if you go to members and pull up the list of the top ten posters under their profiles you will see that the average daily post count for all of us is about 6.5 with Jay having the highest at 8.01. In contrast, nWo had an average daily post count of nearly 17 which is double that of even the highest of the rest of us. The only other person that I have ever seen with an average count that high is the last person on that top 10. It's gone down a LOT because he's been gone for a few months (thankfully) but you have only to look at when he joined and when his last post was to understand what I'm talking about.
Tramp
New Member
Sheeesh.....I only have 650+ posts.....seems to me i've been talking alot and sayin' nuttin'!
Spamming to drive up a post count is a non-issue for me cuz it's harmless....it was more of an ongoing joke awhile back if you recall...Mr P said no one cares and he's right....who cares?
Maybe it's a stretch but spamming in the forum to promote another website can be argued to be an infringement of Steve's rights...the loss of members can easily devalue his forum, lose potential commercial advertisement and even force him to close up shop...
I don't feel sorry for nWo....he made his intentions clear in his posts and confirmed them in his emails to members of our forum...
unless you read those emails he sent to forum members, you will never understand why some of us feel his loss can only be our gain...