Not the most helpful monorail hours :)

Woody13

New Member
Is the glass half full or half empty? The pedantic truth about time!

Check this link:

http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/general/misc.htm#Anchor-57026



Are noon and midnight 12 a.m. or 12 p.m.?

This is a tricky question. The answer is that the terms 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. are wrong and should not be used.

To illustrate this, consider that "a.m" and "p.m." are abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean "before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Noon is neither before or after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor "p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12 hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m. or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be ambiguous as to the date intended.

When a specific date is important, and when we can use a 24-hour clock, we prefer to designate that moment not as 1200 midnight, but rather as 0000 if we are referring to the beginning of a given day (or date), or 2400 if we are designating the end of a given day (or date).

To be certain of avoiding ambiguity (while still using a 12-hour clock), specify an event as beginning at 1201 a.m. or ending at 1159 p.m., for example; this method is used by the railroads and airlines for schedules, and is often found on legal papers such as contracts and insurance policies.

If one is referring not to a specific date, but rather to several days, or days in general, use the terms noon and midnight instead of 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. For example, a bank might be open on Saturdays from 8 a.m. to noon. Or a grocery store might be open daily until midnight. The terms "12 noon" and "12 midnight" are also correct, though redundant.


Therefore, you can't say this is wrong and be right! :lol:
 

TimeTrip

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
But that page seems to ignore the fact that every clock i've ever seen refers to midnight as 12am and noon as 12pm when set to display in AM/PM style :)
 

kurros

New Member
Don't worry, it's just Woody trying to cause contention as usual.

Even if you want to be so pedantic, fine. So it's not officially AM the next day until 12:00:00.001 (or however precise you want to go). Why make a fuss about a fraction of a second.
 

cherrynegra

Well-Known Member
Oh, Lord what a typo. I work as a court reporter in the criminal justice system and let me tell you. A misplaced comma can make all the difference in the world. Obviously these guys need to hire a proofreader. Hmmmm...maybe I could be a new kind of Imagineer. The Proofreader Imagineer. I bet you I'd have tons of work to do.
 

raven

Well-Known Member
Why don't they just say 7AM - Midnight? But then some guests would be on a different time zone and argue that its only 8PM on their watch and the monorail is closed. Oh well, can't please everyone I guess. :lol:
 
Re: Is the glass half full or half empty? The pedantic truth about time!

Originally posted by Woody13

To illustrate this, consider that "a.m" and "p.m." are abbreviations for "ante meridiem" and "post meridiem." They mean "before noon" and "after noon," respectively. Noon is neither before or after noon; it is simply noon. Therefore, neither the "a.m." nor "p.m." designation is correct. On the other hand, midnight is both 12 hours before noon and 12 hours after noon. Therefore, either 12 a.m. or 12 p.m. could work as a designation for midnight, but both would be ambiguous as to the date intended.


<pedantic>
Beware the pedant.

The correct suffix for Noon is "M" (being on the meridian). There is no correct suffix for midnight.
</pedantic>

Having said this, noon is usually considered "PM" because the majority of the hour (after 12:00:00) is, in fact, post meridan. midnight is usually considered "AM" using equivalent reasoning.
 

Invero

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by DisneyInsider
If someone tells a Cast Member, I am sure it will get fixed.

Ugggghhh... It's been like that since before I was a monorail pilot... (and that was 3 years ago)
 

Poncho1973

New Member
Well... I forwarded it to the only person I personally know connected with the issue. Maybe she'll do something or have someone do something about fixing it.
 

SirNim

Well-Known Member
QUESTION!

Anybody know if Disney corrected the mistake on the signage in Ice Station Cool, and specifically, the panel of information on the beverage "Beverly" on the dispensers?

Here's a pic from BenS:
5862Picture2_036.jpg


Quote:
Beverly, with it's bitter flavor, is a popular non-alcoholic aperitif.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "it's" a contraction of "it" and "is"? "It's" does not indicate possession. "Its" indicates possession... in this case... the Beverly's possession of "its bitter flavor."

So... can anybody follow up on this? :lol: (I'm so picky! But so should be Disney's proofreaders!) ;)
 

MouseMadness

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by SirNim
QUESTION!

Anybody know if Disney corrected the mistake on the signage in Ice Station Cool, and specifically, the panel of information on the beverage "Beverly" on the dispensers?

Here's a pic from BenS:
5862Picture2_036.jpg


Quote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "it's" a contraction of "it" and "is"? "It's" does not indicate possession. "Its" indicates possession... in this case... the Beverly's possession of "its bitter flavor."

So... can anybody follow up on this? :lol: (I'm so picky! But so should be Disney's proofreaders!) ;)

I am the same way, Nimmy. :)

*sends Disney proofreaders the copy of "Woe is I" I received by accident from Barnes and Noble* :lookaroun (I ordered books for the kids, and got "Woe is I" and a video about Abba. :hammer: Go figure! :lol: )
 

Tramp

New Member
Originally posted by SirNim


Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't "it's" a contraction of "it" and "is"? "It's" does not indicate possession. "Its" indicates possession... in this case... the Beverly's possession of "its bitter flavor."

So... can anybody follow up on this? :lol: (I'm so picky! But so should be Disney's proofreaders!) ;)


One of my grade school teachers taught me to remember that an "it" can't own anything, so it doesn't deserve an apostrophe as the possessive. :wave:
 

Woody13

New Member
It's is a contraction for it is or it has.

Its is a possessive pronoun meaning, more or less, of it or belonging to it.

:wave:
 

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