No New Star Tours or Mermaid

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[jt04]

I'm just so sick of people like John Lasseter who only care about Disneyland. WDW is a much more global destination, thus it should get some sort of attention. Disney execs better get used to lower attendance because people will be much more inclined to go to Universal instead of Disney after Harry Potter opens. If Disney unwilling to spend the big bucks in Orlando, then they deserve to lose money.

I think Disney wants to restructure from top to bottom so lower attendance in the short term might be doing them a favor by allowing them the excuse they need to perform said restructuring. Have fun in Potterville.

:wave:

 

[hoke2007]

I think Disney wants to restructure from top to bottom so lower attendance in the short term might be doing them a favor by allowing them the excuse they need to perform said restructuring. Have fun in Potterville.

:wave:

I never said I'm going to universal. I'm not going anywhere. I'm just sick of reading about Disneyland/DCA getting over $1 billion in new rides/overall improvements while also reading about WDW getting their budget slashed and new rides are being postponed for years.

If Disney really wants to restructure, then they should maybe cut the DCA budget in half.

 

[jt04]

I never said I'm going to universal. I'm not going anywhere. I'm just sick of reading about Disneyland/DCA getting over $1 billion in new rides/overall improvements while also reading about WDW getting their budget slashed and new rides are being postponed for years.

If Disney really wants to restructure, then they should maybe cut the DCA budget in half.

They will never make that mistake again of not doing a project right. At least as long as Iger is there. So DCA will be fixed right and in a way that will last. The silver lining is that WDW's infrastructure is getting the investment it needs. Someday WDW will have it's attractions renewal similar to what DCA is getting. In the meantime have fun at Stitchland :wave:

 

[hoke2007]

They will never make that mistake again of not doing a project right. At least as long as Iger is there. So DCA will be fixed right and in a way that will last. The silver lining is that WDW's infrastructure is getting the investment it needs. Someday WDW will have it's attractions renewal similar to what DCA is getting. In the meantime have fun at Stitchland :wave:

Yeah, why does Disney have this obsession with Stitch? Terrible movie, terrible attraction. Why does he get more stuff?

 

[jt04]

Yeah, why does Disney have this obsession with Stitch? Terrible movie, terrible attraction. Why does he get more stuff?

I feel your pain. And until they fix Tomorrowland I will only refer to it as Stitchland because that is what it is in every sense. :brick:

 

[hoke2007]

I feel your pain. And until they fix Tomorrowland I will only refer to it as Stitchland because that is what it is in every sense. :brick:

Pretty much. I won't go near that SGE because its honestly the worst thing at the MK. I love Buzz Lightyear and the TTA, but thats about it. Hopefully after Space Mountain gets through its rehab it'll be back up in my favorites.

 

[GothMickey]

Yeah, why does Disney have this obsession with Stitch? Terrible movie, terrible attraction. Why does he get more stuff?

Be fair. Lilo and Stitch was not a bad movie. Not a classic, but not terrible. However, the attraction, yea, that's terrible.

 

[hoke2007]

Be fair. Lilo and Stitch was not a bad movie. Not a classic, but not terrible. However, the attraction, yea, that's terrible.

It was kind of annoying. Yeah, I've seen way worse movies, but it was very average. But at least we can agree that the attraction is terrible

 

[GothMickey]

It was kind of annoying. Yeah, I've seen way worse movies, but it was very average. But at least we can agree that the attraction is terrible

Yea, average is a good way to describe it. I wish we could call the attraction average. It is way below average.

 

[SirGoofy]

People seriously need to calm down. Things are on the way. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but they're coming.

Things have been really bad for a while, but they're getting better.

 

[jt04]

Pretty much. I won't go near that SGE because its honestly the worst thing at the MK. I love Buzz Lightyear and the TTA, but thats about it. Hopefully after Space Mountain gets through its rehab it'll be back up in my favorites.

I agree but TTA bothers me. They need at some point to fix the clanking of the track. I'm not sure if that means a new continuous weld track or new vehicles that run on tires (kinda of a slow moving version of Test Track technology) or maybe new maglev technology but something needs to be done someday. Otherwise I love the TTA.

 

[GothMickey]

People seriously need to calm down. Things are on the way. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but they're coming.

Things have been really bad for a while, but they're getting better.

I hope and pray you are right. And when they do come, I hope they are all worth the wait and not some screen techonology garbage like a dancing Stitch in Tomorrowland. Oh wait...

 

[SirGoofy]

I hope and pray you are right. And when they do come, I hope they are all worth the wait and not some screen techonology garbage like a dancing Stitch in Tomorrowland. Oh wait...

:lol:

Don't worry. I'm hearing about some actual fun coming to WDW in the coming years.

 

[GothMickey]

:lol:

Don't worry. I'm hearing about some actual fun coming to WDW in the coming years.

Like some pop music blasting on Main Street and dancing CMs wearing brightly colored costumes, loud DJs screaming stuff about celebrating something 1000 times? Oh, geez, nevermind again.....

 

[WDW1974]

He's right about the Little Mermaid ride (even if his details about the why part aren't entirely true), but he's full of baloney about Star Tours II. The FL managers are not and have not turned down a cheap refurbishment that automatically changes an existing ride from an oft walk-on to an E-Ticket. They would be overridden even if they tried to pull that crap.

Disney and Lucas didn't sink millions into CGI and audio to scrap it because "FL Managers" decided they didn't want to join in the fun. Once again, that story is total fabrication.

I would in no way categorize Star Tours 2.0 as a 'cheap refurbishment' ... of course, you then contradict yourself when you talk (correctly, I might add) about the millions Disney/Lucas has spent.

If you know about the history of the redo, then I assume you know the original timeline had it in soft openings about ... now!

If you know anything about the whole One Disney deal, then it would be fair to assume you'd understand how decisions made in Orlando could/would impact Anaheim.

Calling Al's story a 'total fabrication' is hyperbole at best and an outright misstatement at worst.

Al's story was quite accurate. Orlando has dragged its heels on doing anything ... everything planned went into a 'creep mode' in early fall 2008 and then went into a cold dead stop before the holidays.

Star Tours 2.0 will happen. But it will happen a lot later then it was going to ... and WDW's exec 'leadership' team's desire to not spend a penny, while cutting left and right (don't know if it was reported yet, but they just layed off approximately 80% of their research staff today) has prevented it from getting done.

As for Mermaid, I have NEVER believed that WDW management (even if things were doing as well as they were 2-3 years ago) would pay for something like that in the MK ... when's the last time they opened a new E-Ticket? Oh yeah ... 1992. You're more likely to see this in Paris first ... while WDW's 40th can be a bunch of LE pins, a new parade (if we're lucky) and perhaps a fanboi event.

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[WDW1974]

Yeah, I always enjoy Lee's posts here. I went and looked at Star Tours 2 thread, and Lee's "updated" position doesn't change much. But maybe because what Lee clarified is what I already assumed he was saying to begin with?

"Let me rephrase what I said:
I surely have not heard that the delay in the project for DHS was in any way having an impact on DL. However, knowing that the project is ready to roll, and hasn't, what Lutz said is possible to some extent." -Lee

Makes sense to me. And it still doesn't refute the passing comment Al Lutz made about WDW's position on giving the greenlight to Star Tours 2. Sounds like it is definitely on hold out there in Florida.

It is.

Everything in Florida, except what you can see happening right now (which ain't much) is on hold.

People can dance around this as much as they want because there are 'plans' for WDW ... and there are. The thing is none of those plans are being actively worked on with an 'install' date ... nothing.

And Star Tours 2.0 is ready to go. They could shut the attraction today and start doing some work tomorrow if they wanted.

But people can spin it anyway they like because Disney never announced it (even if people involved have been spilling for 18 months or longer).

I don't see this opening before 2011 ... and that is way behind what was planned.

And other projects that aren't so far along and haven't had so much spent on them?

I'd guess we'll see some of them ... at some point ... down the line ... but not in the near future.

Is that vague enough?

Because that's kind of how TDO is operating these days.

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[jt04]

:lol:

Don't worry. I'm hearing about some actual fun coming to WDW in the coming years.

I'm all ears

 

[WDW1974]

This whole thing has me a bit bothered. WDW could use a little new blood, especially in something as stale as Star Tours (which i wish now I'd added to my list of things needing work). And for real, we need the Little Mermaid ride.

Here's my thing. People seem to be more obsessed about the magic of DL over WDW. There's countless albums and collections documenting DL, whereas there is infinitely less for WDW, and I know DL has like 16 years on WDW, but come on. WDW has so much more to it, and I dunno. I feel like WDW could use the sttraction more. There is so much negativity aimed at WDW and it could really use the win. I don't believe that "management" has the power to permanantly WDW's needed growth. Sigh. I just....ugh.

I'd disagree ... a decade plus of bad, shortsighted management that has watered down/WalMarted/homogenized the WDW product can most definitely cause permanent harm to the resort.

DL locals, fans and APers tend to get what real Disney quality is supposed to be about, where a large portion of WDW fans tend to believe what has been offered this decade is the best Disney can offer.

Not ... Even ... Close.

I've been to WDW and DL. DL was magical, but the names say it all. Disneyland is a magical, beautiful "land." You can finish it up in 3-4 days (which is how I did everything in the two parks (excepting some of the kiddie stuff, and one or two things closed in DCA). Walt Disney World is just that - it's a massive, sprawling world of magic and fun and you can't hope to do everything in a week. I know that I just said it all - DL needs more to make it last longer, while WDW has a ton, but more people more frequently visit WDW, it needs new things, changes to make the average person want to come back.

I hate DL vs. WDW arguments. They both need leadership with vision that runs the resorts with the goal of exceeding guest expectations while upholding the Disney Legacy.

And, indeed, it is the fact WDW grew too big, too fast that has largely led to the staleness that is entrenched in O-Town.

But it isn't a question of DL getting something or WDW ... or DLP or TDL or HKDL ... every resort is a seperate business entity and organic entity. You don't allow any of them to stagnate ... that's the opposite of how a creative company should be run.

Sigh. I hope Al Lutz is wrong. What's his usual accuracy rating?
-Nicholas

A lot higher than many WDW fanbois would like to believe.

Al gets it right the vast majority of the time.

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[WDW1974]

I never said I'm going to universal. I'm not going anywhere. I'm just sick of reading about Disneyland/DCA getting over $1 billion in new rides/overall improvements while also reading about WDW getting their budget slashed and new rides are being postponed for years.

If Disney really wants to restructure, then they should maybe cut the DCA budget in half.

You don't understand how TWDC operates.

DCA's money has NOTHING to do with what happens or doesn't happen at WDW.

NOTHING.

I need to write that in the sky.

If you have issues with WDW's more conservative than Sarah Palin management sitting on their hands instead of investing in their parks, then I feel your pain.

But don't take it out on DLR or any other Disney resort worldwide.

Blame the people who are letting the parks grow stale because they are the problem.