No more free drinks at All Star Sports Resort

KevinYee

Well-Known Member
I'll be very surprised if lifetime mugs are going to get any accommodation. Disney breaks its word all the time (Rocket Rods, Light Magic, MSEP glowing away).
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
My understanding is that if the RFID chips aren't built into something, it's pretty easy to slap a small patch on it. I would guess this is what they would do for the "lifetime" mugs, if they exist and are honored.

Thats correct, IF they have the patches available. Chances are, they wouldn't, since they are built into the mugs.
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
This. If guests are abusing other Disney policies that Disney feels may result in a loss of revenue, we may soon see pool wristbands also.

Or even better they put a chip on you and if you try to get into a pull where you are not allowed the pool just spits you right out.
 

Uncle Lupe

Well-Known Member
:lol:

Enhanced experience indeed. I'm not sure the other addition to the Next Gen bathroom experience will go over well. Of course, I'm referring to the disembodied voice telling you that you've had enough buffets for one trip when you perch yourself on the porcelain pedestal.

"Due to your frequent trips, we suggest you avoid the Mexico pavilion dining. Have a magical day. Also, wash your hands please."
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
"If you need assistance washing your hands, instructions are posted by the sinks"

Yes! And if you try to exit without washing, sprinklers will release a fine mist of sanitizer and the door to the outside world won't be unlatched until your surface bacterial level is below a certain pre-determined level.
 

gustaftp

Well-Known Member
So do the machines dispense only a measured amount of a given flavor?

I'm one of those people who likes to blend pop together. I've gotten a few of my friends to try mixed Coke and Fanta - for their very own Mezzo!
 

fosse76

Well-Known Member
There is a saying that goes "Get it in writing". Even if Michael Eisner had been at Port Orleans telling people they could use their mug forever, would have meant nothing. The verbal contract is just too difficult to enforce at this point. Also, my guess is that a front line manager would never have the authority to enter into an agreement on behalf of the company, so it wouldn't have mattered either. Unless anyone with a "lifetime mug" has some sort of visual proof that shows this, then Disney has no obligation to honor anything.

Oral agreements are just as valid as written agreements, under the law. And it's very unlikely Disney would deny having made such a policy regarding the mugs. However, in my mind, this is no doubt the reason there is no proof that the mugs were for lifetime refills. Disney had probably discussed that at some point in the future they would not sell lifetime free refills.

As for this new equipment, I agree that it isn't about Disney losing money. It's about enhancing revenue. In a similar thread I compared it to the RIAA's ridiculous lawsuits against illegal downloads. Disney (like the RIAA) is making a broad assumption that were it not for people re-using old mugs, they would simply buy a new one. (The RIAA assumed the same thing: if people weren't illegally downloading, they would purchase the CD instead). That reasoning is absolutely false. Now, when I have used the mugs, I can honestly say that I spent more money than I would had I simply bought the drink with the meal. So I don't think Disney is going to see a substantial increase in mug sales as a result of this.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
Oral agreements are just as valid as written agreements, under the law. And it's very unlikely Disney would deny having made such a policy regarding the mugs. However, in my mind, this is no doubt the reason there is no proof that the mugs were for lifetime refills. Disney had probably discussed that at some point in the future they would not sell lifetime free refills.

As for this new equipment, I agree that it isn't about Disney losing money. It's about enhancing revenue. In a similar thread I compared it to the RIAA's ridiculous lawsuits against illegal downloads. Disney (like the RIAA) is making a broad assumption that were it not for people re-using old mugs, they would simply buy a new one. (The RIAA assumed the same thing: if people weren't illegally downloading, they would purchase the CD instead). That reasoning is absolutely false. Now, when I have used the mugs, I can honestly say that I spent more money than I would had I simply bought the drink with the meal. So I don't think Disney is going to see a substantial increase in mug sales as a result of this.

Let me clarify...I know that the verbal contract is technically valid. However, in this situation with something that is fairly old at this point it would be very hard to prove the policy existed by just word alone. With turnover in hourly roles the odds of someone working there from when those mugs were sold is slim to none. Your word against the mouse probably won't come out in your favor in that situation though.
 

Pioneer Hall

Well-Known Member
So do the machines dispense only a measured amount of a given flavor?

I'm one of those people who likes to blend pop together. I've gotten a few of my friends to try mixed Coke and Fanta - for their very own Mezzo!

Based on the video it looks like it is a lever that likely reads the chip. So you push the lever and it dispenses the soda (as many machines without a push button work). So I guess if your mug doesn't have a valid chip then it won't dispense anything except water.
 

stuart

Well-Known Member
2. Those with resort mugs who claim they were sold a resort mug for life should present the mug. If that was the policy at the time, Disney should recognize it, and either honor the deal and give them soda, or just give them their money back and be done with it. Keep in mind though, that Dixie Landings is a resort that no longer exists. Oh sure the buildings are there and all, but if you bought a lifetime mug good for unlimited refills at Dixie Landings, then you are out of luck, it's Port Orleans now. (No, I'm not kidding.)

I take your point with that.

Of course, management at said resort see it differently, well, from those CMs we have spoken to over the years that is.
 

Theosus

Member
This is a very smart move by Disney, and long overdue. They're not taking anything away from guests or in any way decreasing the value of the mugs. The mugs are sold to be used at the resort where they are purchased for the length of that current stay. That's what you agree to when you purchase them. That is still what you receive.

It's a smart use of currently available technology to ensure no one abuses the system. I think they definitely should look into other areas where this same technology might make sense.

Wow.... I never believed this would go for so long.

For the whiners who don't want to buy mugs..... Bring a cooler and some coke with you. I haven't bought mugs in years. If you're in a moderate instead of a cheap resort....use the fridge. You won't have to walk to the food court and back just to get a drink.
 

Thorpyness

Member
Is this system in place or planned ? Has anyone commenting actually used this system ?

Does it make any difference to a genuine paying guest ?

As a UK visitor, who comes for 2 weeks at a time due to flight prices, buying a mug always represents value, and this time we happen to be in Sports, I will see for myself in 5 weeks.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I can't see this lasting. It'll create way too much confusion for people (as the article states, the confusion has already begun).

I agree.

And I just don't see the cost savings. I mean, according to this - even the disposable paper cups now have to have RFID? They must think they are wasting a lot of $ on "free" soda.

I just don't believe they are going to roll out and give RFID paper cups to everyone who buys a drink at a resort at WDW.

It seems to me more like some middle-management is trying on big boy shoes and putting a stop to this not-so-much-a-problem to begin with and got it pushed this far as a "test".

We'll see if it gets rolled out resort-wide, or if it ends up like other "tests" (just to be put out and pulled just as suddenly, never to be heard from again).
 

flavious27

Well-Known Member
As per my previous experiences of waiting for someone to fill up their 32 oz non disney mug, I like that disney is going to stop that behavior. At the same time, it takes away from the magic a bit that disney is restricting something small like this. I haven't brought previous mugs with me on trips or used non disney mugs, but i don't know, this is one of those things that rubs me the wrong way.

If they push these out to the rest of the parks, I hope that they install freestyle machines instead of the usual coke dispensers with 8 flavors.
 

Kamikaze

Well-Known Member
I agree.

And I just don't see the cost savings. I mean, according to this - even the disposable paper cups now have to have RFID? They must think they are wasting a lot of $ on "free" soda.

I just don't believe they are going to roll out and give RFID paper cups to everyone who buys a drink at a resort at WDW.

It seems to me more like some middle-management is trying on big boy shoes and putting a stop to this not-so-much-a-problem to begin with and got it pushed this far as a "test".

We'll see if it gets rolled out resort-wide, or if it ends up like other "tests" (just to be put out and pulled just as suddenly, never to be heard from again).

An RFID tag basically costs nothing. Your entire argument is based around the cost of adding those tags to everything, and its completely incorrect. When you're talking fractions of a penny (such as 25 tags for 1 cent) to make sure the drinks are all purchased, it makes great financial sense.
 

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