No Extra Magic Hours Starting 1/1/16? Update: EMH to Continue

WDWVolFan

WDWVolFan

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Cletus said:
And when the Meal plan goes away (which it will)???? EMH is the ONLY reason we have ever stayed onsite. We will have no need to if they eliminate this.
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Well I pay for the Meal Plan...it makes sense to us. Never travel to WDW when the free meal plan is there.
 
DisneyJeff

DisneyJeff

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In the Parks
No
Maybe they are going to have EMH for every park on every morning and evening. There would be no reason to post a schedule at that point. Resort guests would be able to get into any park one hour before opening and stay late at any park for two hours after closing.

Lets all agree that this is what is going to happen and be happy for the rest of the week (or at least until they provide more details on Frozen Ever After). :)
 
Irie

Irie

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CaptainAmerica said:
E-Ride night was awesome. I don't know what people are talking about when it comes to being able to "do so much" during evening extra magic hours. In my recent experience, evening extra magic hours have been just as crowded as the rest of the park day. E-ride night was so limited, it was really a benefit worth paying for.
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I doubt it will be $15 like it was in the late 90's. What do you think it would cost now? At what point is it not worth it? It was only for resort guests also. So now you would be paying inflated hotel prices for the "right" to pay for a service you are losing (EMH).
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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WDWVolFan said:
Well I pay for the Meal Plan...it makes sense to us. Never travel to WDW when the free meal plan is there.
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Okay, some hard numbers here..... (Why I have this on a spreadsheet? IDK, go with it)

Free Dining has negligible impact on WDW. Really.

65 dates last year. Of those.... (We're looking at Resort overall, not park specific)
  • 34 days of off peak crowds (52%)
  • 28 days of average crowds (43%)
  • 3 Peak crowds (4.6%)
Of that.... The Free Dining Period from 8/31-10/3 last year showed only a small run of average days, the week of 9/21-9/28. Beyond that, the initial September Free Dining Period didnt do squat.

The other 3 Free Dining periods did pull moderate crowds, with the peak crowds being holiday related. (Veterans Day, Beginning of Christmas). Of course those periods lasted 7-12 days each.

What DOES have a nasty impact at the MK is Hard Ticket Events. The Day after a hard ticket event gets hit hard. The day of? 65% of the time, the day of a hard ticket event pulls an off-peak crowd.


(Definitions: Peak: 8+, Average 4-7, Off Peak 1-3. Source: Touring Plans)
 
Irie

Irie

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marni1971 said:
I was about to start a new thread.

The company has been trying to curtail EMH as we know it for a while now. Just today I heard another muttering about this very topic.
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I can get so much done in the 1 hour of the morning that it is worth it to stay on property. If they get rid of EMH, I will have no reason to stay on property. I would rather pay $15 per day to park and get a nicer hotel room for half the price of a Disney hotel.
 
ThemeParkJunkee

ThemeParkJunkee

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EMH are essential to my touring plan and one of the main reasons I stayed onsite last year. I only visit Orlando about every four years and so much changes from visit to visit. At WDW, it's things like MM+ and hard ticket events. Not much happens on the attraction front. Crowds overall were far more oppressive than the same time period in 2010. I really relied on EMH to fit in certain attractions.

I have always expected WDW to phase out EMH. This is not surprising to me. I will adjust by staying off site and renting a car. I'll only visit parks with something new for me and spend the rest of the time elsewhere in Orlando.
 
hokielutz

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Lately, I haven't seen that much of a benefit from attending EMH (other than having a longer day in park), except at the extreme end of the day. Morning EMH still is jammed since the resort population will concentrate on that one early open.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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hokielutz said:
Lately, I haven't seen that much of a benefit from attending EMH (other than having a longer day in park), except at the extreme end of the day. Morning EMH still is jammed since the resort population will concentrate on that one early open.
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I actually find morning EMH to be wonderful. It's around 10 am that the affected park is packed for me. But the first hour and a half are wonderful. I guess it depends on what you want to ride, though.
 
yellowrocket

yellowrocket

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PhotoDave219 said:
Because attendance took a big giant baby diaper.
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People *were* afraid to get into planes. In 2002, Southwest had a great program called "Friends Fly Free". They gave you a free ticket to wherever you were going - absolutely free! I bought an annual pass that year and split the cost of my flights with friends and family members. I guess I went about 8 times that year. To save on lodging, I once camped in a tent at Fort Wilderness for $20.

"Not busy this weekend? Wanna head down to Walt Disney World? Sure!"
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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CaptainAmerica said:
What do you think a soul is?
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In the case of a business one that cares about a customer's experience, not merely how much money they can wring out of a customer's wallet.

Apple for instance understands this and a customer's EXPERIENCE is key to future profits that's why customer satisfaction is their foremost goal along those lines when have you ever seen Apple stuff at 30% off...
 
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PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Seth7721 said:
Why did Disney start cutting back after 9/11? I also saw after 9/11 Disney removed the remainder of the webcast cameras, but I think the reason for that was obvious.
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Put bluntly, Property wide there was a total of 43.2M guests in 2000. In 2002, there was a total of 37.6M guests. Thats a 13% drop in total attendance.

(Yes, thats a total of the 4 park estimate added up. Source: Amusement Business)
 
UofMGuy423

UofMGuy423

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E-Ride Nights were the best. Well worth the $10 a ticket (at least I think that's what it was) to have 3 extra hours in the park with not a lot of other guests. That was also back when everything was up and running and the parks would stay open until 11pm with E-Ride running until 2am. You could get so much done in a single day at the MK. Not so much anymore.
 
yellowrocket

yellowrocket

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PhotoDave219 said:
Put bluntly, Property wide there was a total of 43.2M guests in 2000. In 2002, there was a total of 37.6M guests. Thats a 13% drop in total attendance.

(Yes, thats a total of the 4 park estimate added up. Source: Amusement Business)
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It showed, too. You didn't need Early Entry (I think that's what it was called before they brought it back as "Extra Magic Hours"). The rides weren't "walk-ons" that summer. But, they were certainly manageable. Fastpasses from the day (sometimes month) before were accepted. One could park-hop to the must-do attractions of 2001/2002 in two days easily.

There was no dining plan (that I knew of), but if you had an annual pass and were staying on site, they'd upgrade you without asking.
 

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