NextGen CIT (Central Intelligence Thread)

flynnibus

Premium Member
The park hopping end of this system is going to be an issue, especially if Disney decides to do away with hopping altogether

There is no motivation what-so-ever for Disney to consider doing away with park hopping. It's not even worth worrying about.

Why FP+ experiences can't go across parks yet is an interesting point.. but it may just be about the roll out itself. No one should read beyond that to infer the ludicrous idea Disney would stop park hopping all together.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
And my point is - you haven't seen the infrastructure and network they've installed for this. What people use for public internet isn't necessarily the same as what this uses.
However...if it's the same group of people that installed the "public use" infrastructure, it makes one wonder how good the "private" infrastructure could possibly be.
 

mousehockey37

Well-Known Member
I was doing a little NextGen search and found this article from the Orlando Sentinel some time ago. There are a few things in the article that I have bolded and underlined. There are some on this thread who say things aren't possible, but yet, the Disney execs they did talk to, yeah, they can find you by name EVERYWHERE:
Disney quietly working on $1 billion-plus “next generation” technology project

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Disney quietly working on $1 billion-plus “next generation” technology project
From the Orlando Sentinel

I normally do not like to post rumors until there is concreate facts to back up the rumor but this was interesting enough for us all to join the conversation. I would love to hear what you think Disney might be working on.

he Walt Disney Co.’s theme-park division is quietly working on a major technology initiative that boosters hope could radically transform the theme-park experience.

Details of the project, which has been dubbed within Walt Disney Parks and Resorts as “next generation experience” or “NextGen,” are being closely guarded. But there is widespread speculation among former Disney executives and bloggers who follow the company that at least part of the project involves wireless-communication technology that could be used in concepts ranging from keyless hotel-room doors to rides and shows in which the experience varies based on an individual guest’s preferences.

The budget for the program totals between $1 billion and $1.5 billion, according to former Disney parks executives who spoke only on the condition that they not be identified. The amount is roughly comparable to what Disney is spending to build a pair of 4,000-passenger cruise ships.
Just before Christmas, Disney assigned oversight of the project to Nick Franklin, the head of global business and real-estate development for the company’s theme-park unit. Franklin’s newest title is “executive vice president of next generation experience.” At Walt Disney World, the project is being led by Jim MacPhee, a vice president who once ran the Epcot theme park. MacPhee’s title was changed last month to vice president of park operations and next generation experience.

Disney would not discuss specifics of the project. “Our company has a long history of leveraging technology to enhance the experience of our guests, and we are constantly exploring new opportunities to build on that legacy,” spokeswoman Tasia Filippatos said.

Though Disney typically keeps a tight lid on projects in development, the strict silence surrounding the NextGen initiative has surprised some company veterans. Disney has required employees assigned to the project — “several dozen” people are currently working on it, according to one of the former executives — to sign confidentiality agreements forbidding them from discussing their work, even with colleagues.

One former Disney manager described the climate surrounding the project as “super quiet.” Yet another likened the hush-hush atmosphere to the silence that surrounded the development of Disney’s Magical Express, the airport shuttle-and-luggage service introduced in Orlando in 2005.
“Usually you hear a lot of different things leak out,” added Michael Crawford, publisher of Progress City USA, a Web site devoted to Disney. “This has been really locked up.”

Several other people in and around Disney said they are aware of the NextGen initiative. But all said they were either unfamiliar with details or that they could not discuss them.

The secrecy, of course, hasn’t stopped speculation. Though the “NextGen” work has multiple components, several Disney bloggers, including Crawford, have reported that a key part involves the development of radio-frequency identification microchips that could be implanted into park passes or wrist bands. Guests would supply personal information ahead of their arrival — from their names and credit-card numbers to their favorite Disney characters — that would be downloaded onto the RFID microchips, which would then interact with sensors deployed throughout Disney’s resorts.

Disney has discussed the technology with Precision Dynamics Corp., a San Fernando, Calif.-based company that manufactures RFID wristbands. A representative for the company said he could not elaborate on those talks because Precision Dynamics has signed a non-disclosure agreement with Disney.

RFID technology has “certainly been on Disney’s radar as well as the other major [tourism] players in the Orlando area,” said Tom Foster, sales manager for Precision Dynamics’ RFID solutions group.
Crawford said he has been told that Disney’s work includes what is being called a “personal experience portal,” which he thinks could be the online site that guests would use to provide personal details and preferences. The blogger noted that posts he has written in recent months on Disney’s RFID efforts have attracted unusually heavy Internet traffic from IP addresses associated with Disney offices in Orlando and California.

RFID technology is already used in many areas of everyday life, from the contact-information chips that pet owners have implanted in their dogs and cats to the bracelets that hospitals use to track patients and their treatments. The technology is spreading through the amusement industry, too.
Indoor-waterpark operator Great Wolf Resorts now uses RFID wristbands manufactured by Precision Dynamics at seven of its 12 resorts in the U.S. and Canada. The wristbands function both as hotel-room keys and personal charge cards for guests, allowing them to buy food and souvenirs without carrying a credit card or cash.

“Given this new technology, guests who otherwise may not have wanted to go all the way back to their room for their credit card or cash and be inconvenienced may now be making purchases due to the added convenience of having their wallet on their wrist,” said Rajiv Castellino, chief information officer for Great Wolf Resorts. “The ease of use and convenience have proven to be big hits with guests at our properties.”

Though Disney is also interested in both keyless hotel entry and cashless transactions, its full RFID plans are said to be more ambitious.

Former employees and bloggers say Disney is looking at using RFID sensors in attractions, so that experiences could be tailored based on individual guest preferences. For example, as guests wander around a park or advance through a ride, their favorite animated character might appear and address them by name.

Another goal, according to the former Disney managers, is to greatly reduce or eliminate lengthy wait times at popular attractions — waits that can top three hours on particularly busy days and which a current Disney World executive said are routinely cited as a “key negative” by guests who visit the resort. One possibility is to allow guests to select preferred ride and show times and then use RFID scanners at attraction entrances to verify that they are showing up at the correct time.
RIFD tracking could also give Disney much more detailed data about its guests’ spending habits and movements, which could in turn be a powerful sales tool. Disney might be able to tell, for instance, that a family wandering one of its theme parks in the evening has no dinner reservations, and so could contact the family by cell phone to suggest nearby restaurants with available seats or promotions.

“The back story of this is they’re going to be able to track everything you’re doing,” said Al Lutz, editor of MiceAge.com and someone who also has written about Disney’s RFID development efforts.
The project isn’t without risks. Some former employees have expressed skepticism about whether the technological advances would do enough to boost attendance or guest spending at Disney’s theme parks to justify the $1 billion-plus price tag — or whether such money would be better spent on projects such as new resorts or attractions.

Disney also faces questions about whether guests would want to put so much thought into planning their vacations — and how such advance planning by some guests might affect others who could conceivably miss out on a popular attraction because time slots have been reserved ahead of time by those who planned.

Even eliminating attraction lines could be tricky: A theme park could actually feel more crowded if a certain percentage of people were no longer spending time waiting in ride queues.

Although Disney would not discuss its NextGen concepts, the company has said improvements to its guests’ vacation experience will lead to bottom-line gains, because happier customers are more apt to make return trips. There can be other advantages, as well: After launching its Fast Pass ride-reservation system in 1999, for instance, Disney said guest spending in its parks rose as guests spent less time in queues and more in shops and restaurants.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I was doing a little NextGen search and found this article from the Orlando Sentinel some time ago. There are a few things in the article that I have bolded and underlined. There are some on this thread who say things aren't possible, but yet, the Disney execs they did talk to, yeah, they can find you by name EVERYWHERE:


That's funny.. I didn't find the word 'everywhere' or a synomyn for it anywhere in that article. Besides, while what they say may be true in the article, you continue to miscontrue it and misinterpret it.

And you still haven't answered what you fear about Disney being able to identify you (which you have already volunteered to Disney to start with).
 

Rasvar

Well-Known Member
However...if it's the same group of people that installed the "public use" infrastructure, it makes one wonder how good the "private" infrastructure could possibly be.
As someone who has done that kind of install, you design the non-critical network to degrade in order to protect the critical network. This is simple network design. The critical network will always have a higher Quality of Service (QOS) than the non-critical. The guest network is allowed to piggy back on the infrastructure, but will not be allowed to interfere with the critical network. The biggest problem with the ODV charts is not the wireless network, 90% of the time, the problem will be isolated to a particular cart because the hardware at the location has an issue.
 

mousehockey37

Well-Known Member
That's funny.. I didn't find the word 'everywhere' or a synomyn for it anywhere in that article. Besides, while what they say may be true in the article, you continue to miscontrue it and misinterpret it.

And you still haven't answered what you fear about Disney being able to identify you (which you have already volunteered to Disney to start with).

That's funny, I didn't mention you anywhere in that post...
 

Skippy's Pal

Well-Known Member
There is no motivation what-so-ever for Disney to consider doing away with park hopping. It's not even worth worrying about.

Why FP+ experiences can't go across parks yet is an interesting point.. but it may just be about the roll out itself. No one should read beyond that to infer the ludicrous idea Disney would stop park hopping all together.


Certainly hope you're right. As badly as Epcot needs new international pavilions, a little bit of East Berlin isn't what's needed: "And where do you think you're going, Bub? You haff maybe relatives in the Magic Kingdom, hmmmmm?"
 

danv3

Well-Known Member
This may be a dumb question and I apologize if its already been asked, but will we have to wear the bracelet at all times? I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't want to wear a clunky bracelet for my entire vacation

I feel the same way, but I'm more concerned about the effect on lines coming from adding FP to attractions that demonstrably don't need it just to spread out the FP load (e.g. Haunted Mansion).
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
Premium Member
In response to some people about tracking you, this is from the official Disney Guest Privacy in the Parks page:

if your RF Device comes within proximity of one of the readers located throughout our Disney parks and Resort hotels that automatically recognize RF Devices, we are able to determine that your are near that reader. The readers that automatically recognize RF Devices may not be visible to you.
 

Figment1986

Well-Known Member
How does Express Pass work? Is that a magnetic strip, barcode or RFID?
The last time I used it (ages ago) with the Card it is a magnetic strip that is read by a reader in a persons hand. They "could" change it over to RFID in the future but for now it works. They also have the Q-Bots now and the Team Member simply looks at the device to confirm it is their return time.
 

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