News New Verse Being Added to "it's a small world"

[mickEblu]

Yeah, AI is at that level. Scarily so.

Haha I’m a late adopter on everything but that doesn’t surprise me.

 

[chadwpalm]

I guess it is possible but sometimes it’s hard to capture the same magic the second time around. See “We are the World” part 2. lol. Ok those were just inferior artists but from a technical standpoint is it easy to make these new recordings sound like they came from the older/ vintage/ analog sound? Sometimes the technology can only take you part of the way there. But it’s missing that soul or je ne sais quoi.

The ride audio is multi-track. The music is on a different track than the vocals and many of the vocals are on different tracks as well. That's why some rooms have unique instruments playing or have some dolls singing in a different language.

It's like any band recording in a recording studio. All the vocals and instruments are recording on different tracks, and when it is all done they are mixed together to form one piece of stereo or 5.1/7.1 audio (whatever the final product ends up being, but the majority of music is mixed in 2-track stereo). The difference here is that the tracks are mixed out to different speakers on the attraction, not to one singular piece of audio.

But, even if they were mixed together, the original masters (or probably now digital copies of them) would still have the original tracks intact to be remixed. It's not like they mix it to one recording and throw away the original tracks.

All they have to do record the new verse with the kids singing and mix that into the existing ride audio. Nothing else needs to be lost or re-recorded.

 

[mickEblu]

The ride audio is multi-track. The music is on a different track than the vocals and many of the vocals are on different tracks as well. That's why some rooms have unique instruments playing or have some dolls singing in a different language.

It's like any band recording in a recording studio. All the vocals and instruments are recording on different tracks, and when it is all done they are mixed together to form one piece of stereo or 5.1/7.1 audio (whatever the final product ends up being, but the majority of music is mixed in 2-track stereo). The difference here is that the tracks are mixed out to different speakers on the attraction, not to one singular piece of audio.

But, even if they were mixed together, the original masters (or probably now digital copies of them) would still have the original tracks intact to be remixed. It's not like they mix it to one recording and throw away the original tracks.

All they have to do record the new verse with the kids singing and mix that into the existing ride audio. Nothing else needs to be lost or re-recorded.

Right I understand that all the vocals and instruments are on different tracks. I spent a lot of my 20s in studios recording and have some experience being in the studios and providing feedback when the engineers were mixing or mastering. With that said sounds like you re a bit more knowledgeable in this area and how it applies to the attraction. I was only speaking to the quality of the vocal tracks and if they could match the sound. I agree that you don’t have to lose any of the original recordings but Disney seems to do a lot of unnecessary things these days. One that will always bug me is when they reopened after the pandemic they changed all the train station spiels. Not only did the replace “NOS” with “Frontierland” but it lost all of that beautiful reverb that gave it an almost ethereal quality. Nobody ever talks about it. I mean NOBODY. And every time I bring it up it’s crickets. How did the entire Disneyland fandom not notice this change? I even brought it up to the train station CMs and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I also lament losing the old Yetis howl. They mixed it into his new audio but you can barely hear it.

 

[Consumer]

Right I understand that all the vocals and instruments are on different tracks. I spent a lot of my 20s in studios recording and have some experience being in the studios and providing feedback when the engineers were mixing or mastering. With that said sounds like you re a bit more knowledgeable in this area and how it applies to the attraction. I was only speaking to the quality of the vocal tracks and if they could match the sound. I agree that you don’t have to lose any of the original recordings but Disney seems to do a lot of unnecessary things these days. One that will always bug me is when they reopened after the pandemic they changed all the train station spiels. Not only did the replace “NOS” with “Frontierland” but it lost all of that beautiful reverb that gave it an almost ethereal quality. Nobody ever talks about it. I mean nobody. And every time I bring it up it’s crickets. How did the entire Disneyland fandom not notice this change? I even brought it up to the train station CMs and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I also lament losing the old Yetis growl. They mixed it into his new audio but you can barely hear it.

The Disneyland fandom is far more passive and less observant than it once was.

 

[brb1006]

To be fair, it was cut for a reason.

Actually those lyrics was written by Richard Sherman late in his life.

 

[brb1006]

Yeah just saw that thanks. Hadn’t yet seen the interview posted above when I asked the question. Or it had been a while.

Highly recommend watching Iger and Richard Sherman's conversation in this thread. Richard explains why he decided to create the final lyrics for It's A Small World.

 

[Disney Irish]

Right I understand that all the vocals and instruments are on different tracks. I spent a lot of my 20s in studios recording and have some experience being in the studios and providing feedback when the engineers were mixing or mastering. With that said sounds like you re a bit more knowledgeable in this area and how it applies to the attraction. I was only speaking to the quality of the vocal tracks and if they could match the sound. I agree that you don’t have to lose any of the original recordings but Disney seems to do a lot of unnecessary things these days. One that will always bug me is when they reopened after the pandemic they changed all the train station spiels. Not only did the replace “NOS” with “Frontierland” but it lost all of that beautiful reverb that gave it an almost ethereal quality. Nobody ever talks about it. I mean NOBODY. And every time I bring it up it’s crickets. How did the entire Disneyland fandom not notice this change? I even brought it up to the train station CMs and they looked at me like I was crazy.

I also lament losing the old Yetis howl. They mixed it into his new audio but you can barely hear it.

Honest question, is there a large part of the Disney Fandom that has nostalgia for the individual Train station spiels? I know some have them for the actual train loops themselves, but I've not heard of anyone (outside of you) really even mention the actual station spiels beyond a passing comment.

Its interesting what some have nostalgia for over others.

 

[brb1006]

Disney uploaded a short tribute video to Richard Sherman titled "The Last Verse" that was first shown during "The Wonderful World of Disney" when it reaired Mary Poppins on November 2024. The video ends with a page that contained Richard's final lyrics to the song.

 

[Agent H]

Disney uploaded a short tribute video to Richard Sherman titled "The Last Verse" that was first shown during "The Wonderful World of Disney" when it reaired Mary Poppins on November 2024. The video ends with a page that contained Richard's final lyrics to the song.

You can also watch it on Disney+

 

[mickEblu]

Honest question, is there a large part of the Disney Fandom that has nostalgia for the individual Train station spiels? I know some have them for the actual train loops themselves, but I've not heard of anyone (outside of you) really even mention the actual station spiels beyond a passing comment.

Its interesting what some have nostalgia for over others.

Yeah I think a lot of people do. I think that’s pretty obvious. Disneyland. Walt’s love of trains. Passing through the entry tunnels. It’s one of the most iconic sounds in the park. It’s pretty high profile when it comes to Disneyland. Even if you aren’t nostalgic for it, you can’t help hearing it as you walk into the park or wait for the train. Thats why I’m surprised that a fandom as meticulously into the details as this one seems to have missed it. But not just missed it. I haven’t ever heard one person bring it up. It’s a little Twilight zone-ish for me.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah I think a lot of people do. I think that’s pretty obvious. Disneyland. Walt’s love of trains. Passing through the entry tunnels. It’s one of the most iconic sounds in the park. It’s pretty high profile when it comes to Disneyland. Even if you aren’t nostalgic for it, you can’t help hearing it as you walk into the park or wait for the train. Thats why I’m surprised that a fandom as meticulously into the details as this one seems to have missed it. But not just missed it. I haven’t ever heard one person bring it up. It’s a little Twilight zone-y for me.

I'm sure there are a few posters here, but in general you really think there are that many that pay that close attention to it to notice when the spiel changes? If it didn't get any traction here in discussions I guess its not that big on the list of things people care about.

But hey at least you do care, and that is important. Just isn't going to get much discussion I would guess.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm sure there are a few posters here, but in general you really think there are that many that pay that close attention to it to notice when the spiel changes? If it didn't get any traction here in discussions I guess its not that big on the list of things people care about.

But hey at least you do care, and that is important. Just isn't going to get much discussion I would guess.

And the mystery is why did they switch it? Considering no one else on earth has noticed I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say that they just turned on the wrong spiel after the pandemic and nobody noticed. Otherwise why turn on the version referring to a “Frontierland” station that doesn’t even exist?

 

[Disney Irish]

And the mystery is why did they switch it? Considering no one else on earth has noticed I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say that they just turned on the wrong spiel after the pandemic and nobody noticed.

Maybe, its hard to say at this point all these years later. You'd think though if it was just a mistake they would have corrected it during the recent refurb, but unless you say different I would have to assume its the same spiel as was used post-pandemic. So that indicates it was an intended change, as for the why we may never know.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm sure there are a few posters here, but in general you really think there are that many that pay that close attention to it to notice when the spiel changes? If it didn't get any traction here in discussions I guess its not that big on the list of things people care about.

But hey at least you do care, and that is important. Just isn't going to get much discussion I would guess.

I guess not. I mean my guess is that not even Disney noticed but I’m less surprised that some new CM’s didn’t notice than I am some of the fans.

I’m just looking for one person to confirm. A Disneyland soulmate if you will. Or just anyone to make me feel like I’m not in the Twilight Zone. For me it’s kind of a high profile thing to not get noticed by this fandom. Maybe if they had just changed the mix I’d get it but they literally turned on a different spiel that refers to a train station that doesn’t even currently exist. When I first heard it I thought maybe they were trying to get cute and nostalgic after being closed for so long.

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe, its hard to say at this point all these years later. You'd think though if it was just a mistake they would have corrected it during the recent refurb, but unless you say different I would have to assume its the same spiel as was used post-pandemic. So that indicates it was an intended change, as for the why we may never know.

You mean pre pandemic?

 

[Disney Irish]

I guess not. I mean my guess is that not even Disney noticed but I’m less surprised that some new CMS didn’t notice than I am some of the fans.

I’m just looking for one person to confirm. A Disneyland soulmate if you will. Or just anyone to make me feel like I’m not in the Twilight Zone.

Maybe someone like @TrainsOfDisney or @EricsBiscuit who seem to be more Disney train aficionados would join you in a discussion.

 

[mickEblu]

Maybe someone like @TrainsOfDisney or @EricsBiscuit who seem to be more Disney train aficionados would join you in a discussion.

Please and thank you.

 

[Disney Irish]

You mean pre pandemic?

No, I mean post-pandemic. You said they changed the spiels after reopening post-pandemic and I'm saying that if the changed spiels stayed after the recent refurb then it appears it was an intended change not just someone turning on the wrong one by mistake.

 

[mickEblu]

No, I mean post-pandemic. You said they changed the spiels after reopening post-pandemic and I'm saying that if the changed spiels stay after the recent refurb then it appears it was an intended change not just someone turning on the wrong one by mistake.

Or they just continued to not notice? Why would a simple audio change even have to wait for a big refurb?

 

[Disney Irish]

Or they just continued to not notice? Why would a simple audio change even have to wait for a big refurb?

So its easier to believe that for the past 4 years that they've been playing the wrong spiel because no one noticed, even after the recent multi-month refurb? That is easier to believe then it being an intended change?

I guess the only way to tell is if after the current refurb closure, to finish the retracking project, if its still using the same post-pandemic spiel then its an intended change. And as for the why, we may never know.