News New Theater to be built at the Magic Kingdom - now cancelled?

Jones14

Jones14

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The "Magic Kingdom is Disney World" problem may be new, but it definitely exists. My BF's grandmother and I were talking about the parks, and she said, "yeah, I know I've been to Disney, the studios, and Epcot, but I'm not sure about the animal one". She lives in Titusville, so it's not like she's in an unfamiliar area when it comes to the parks. I've also talked MANY friends down from the ledge of spending most of their time in Magic Kingdom, mostly because they assume that most crowded = best and most important.
 
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prfctlyximprct

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Don’t know if this is even anything
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jaxonp

jaxonp

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Tron will attract a few more people but it will most likely still be an afterthought to SWGE which will still be the major draw. Everyone is worried about how over crowded MK is and yes.. it does need more high output attractions. That said, Studios is going to need so much help once SWGE opens. That park will be so jammed that it will look like MK on NYE every day, all day. Studios will draw from MK. It'll be the first park to do so. Mark it down.
 
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TrojanUSC

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jaxonp said:
Look, even the great Frozen has died off a bit. We took 4 girls to WDW during marathon weekend... 4, 6, 9 and 10. Only one of them was into frozen. The rest of them were more interested in Star Wars. What gives? Did Disney put too many eggs in the Let it go basket?
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When Disney has an unexpected success, they tend to go overboard a bit with milking it completely dry, signing their own death warrant, so to speak, by over-saturating the market. Stitch is a fantastic example. When that movie came out, people went stitch crazy - everyone loved him and it was also the first hit for Disney's own animation division in quite some time. Stitch merchandise was also selling well. This led to Disney shoving stitch into every possible corner they could, from merch to Great Escape. They assumed he would become on par with the "Fab 5" characters, even going so far as to produce merchandise with the "Fab 6," alas like all passing phases, kids grew up and the fads moved on. Took Disney a good year or two after nobody cared to realize they'd gone overboard.

Happened with Millionaire too. It proved so popular they started scheduling it on ABC every night of the week, over-saturating the market to the point where it was no longer special. Millionaire in the parks was part of this too.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

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matt9112 said:
Disney itself has pushed for that brand. you do need to build the other three parks but you can't just say ok we're done with the MK period no more new stuff. (I actually think Tron is a bad idea because crowds) MK needs more fluff....basic high capacity attractions. things to suck people in. this theater would have done that. Tron will attack more new guests (that we already have no room for) than it adds in capacity.
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I'm not disagreeing with that idea at all...in fact you can NEVER Reset on changing a disney park...

...somebody let bob know...

But...adding the tron ride and the theater now was a strange timed moved...

But they're assuming animal kingdom is ok now (it won't...attendance will flatten out again if it hasn't started already)...and that Epcot is in better shape than it actually is. They need way more capex their.

The point is...adding to mk is low priority...people will deal or they will go to the other parks...you win either way.

...because they're not going anywhere else...that's been made pretty clear.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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jaxonp said:
Tron will attract a few more people but it will most likely still be an afterthought to SWGE which will still be the major draw. Everyone is worried about how over crowded MK is and yes.. it does need more high output attractions. That said, Studios is going to need so much help once SWGE opens. That park will be so jammed that it will look like MK on NYE every day, all day. Studios will draw from MK. It'll be the first park to do so. Mark it down.
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Everyone is assuming that this Star Wars thing is gonna be awesome...

...the problem is: that's not a guarantee. Disney has shown legitimate evidence that they honestly don't get it for the longterm. So there is a cause for concern in parks too...we won't know for a few years.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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jaxonp said:
Star Wars is as much a sure thing as Harry Potter was.
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To generate immediate crowds...sure.

Longterm? More ambiguous. There are two things that have been brought up that are legitimate...if not a definite right now:

1. Are they oversaturating it? There are indications
2. Where the hell is the story going? It's honestly more confused now than prequel/EU era...

Of course it's gonna be packed...but I can't say it will be forever.

Here's a crazy idea...what If potter was just built better?

Not possible?
 
HauntedMansionFLA

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Everyone is assuming that this Star Wars thing is gonna be awesome...

...the problem is: that's not a guarantee. Disney has shown legitimate evidence that they honestly don't get it for the longterm. So there is a cause for concern in parks too...we won't know for a few years.
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As a long time Star Wars fan, I think the land will be breathtaking and very detailed. But I’m a bit nervous on how it will turn out since we have never seen the land in one of the movies. I hope it has the StarcWars feel to it. At least with Potter Land, the locations have been in the movies and makes you feel like part of that universe.
 
Jones14

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Since we’re veering offtopic anyway, I’ll just add that the people who say “They should have just built a location we already recognize” for Star Wars Land are directly in line with the school of thought that they should just build rides based off of IP’s that people are already familiar with.

Obviously, Star Wars is a preexisting IP, but be careful what you wish for. The freedom of a relatively blank slate and new locations yielded Flight of Passage and Battle For The Sunken Treasure. The movie as the one and only law gave us Journey of the Little Mermaid.
 
Kman101

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People seem to forget how Star Wars has lasted in pop culture for over 40 years now. It's not going to die out. The average public likely isn't feeling the burn out some are. Just because you may be personally burned out doesn't mean everyone else is. The movies still make a lot of money. And the land will be incredibly popular at opening. If it's well done and the rides are great, why can't that cause it to succeed on it's own?

I agree with Jones14 on the IP thing he brought up. We want originality and when they do it we ask where the land we're familiar with is ;) go figure ...
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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HauntedMansionFLA said:
As a long time Star Wars fan, I think the land will be breathtaking and very detailed. But I’m a bit nervous on how it will turn out since we have never seen the land in one of the movies. I hope it has the StarcWars feel to it. At least with Potter Land, the locations have been in the movies and makes you feel like part of that universe.
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I couldn't figure out why they punted on the theme at first...

Except I figured they were just jealous of the original 3 and knew they honestly had no shot of besting them.

...now I think it came directly from Lucasfilm to not associate it with something fans could put themselves in...because they had decided to take the whole thing sideways and weren't confident at all it would work longterm.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Kman101 said:
If it's well done and the rides are great, why can't that cause it to succeed on it's own?
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It may have to...and that will work out however the chips fall.

But here's thing: that concept is completely against the ethos/pathos of what Star Wars actually is (for 40
Years)...

Prior to George's midlife crisis and Disney's...well whatever they're doing that's head scratching at a minimum ....no one ever had to convince one of us "burnouts" to love/enjoy Star Wars. It wasn't necessary and the fact it has to be done now is the antithesis of the experience.
 
Just4Pics

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Jones14 said:
I’ll just add that the people who say “They should have just built a location we already recognize” for Star Wars Land are directly in line with the school of thought that they should just build rides based off of IP’s that people are already familiar with
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Absolutely correct.
 
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TrojanUSC

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Kman101 said:
People seem to forget how Star Wars has lasted in pop culture for over 40 years now. It's not going to die out. The average public likely isn't feeling the burn out some are. Just because you may be personally burned out doesn't mean everyone else is. The movies still make a lot of money. And the land will be incredibly popular at opening. If it's well done and the rides are great, why can't that cause it to succeed on it's own?

I agree with Jones14 on the IP thing he brought up. We want originality and when they do it we ask where the land we're familiar with is ;) go figure ...
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It has lasted for 40 years, but we weren't seeing new Star Wars canon movies every year, constant merch pushes, etc. They are over-saturating the market and the question then becomes what is the breaking point.
 

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