News New Theater to be built at the Magic Kingdom - now cancelled?

lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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crazy4disney said:
You would know more than i would but than how in theGood Lord’s name did they think a theater could possibly go there to a point of an actual announcement?!? Makes you seriously question them and their integrity
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They were in a panic over capacity issues because FastPass+ was not working as promised. It’s the same reason TRON and Ratatouille were announced. Even the concept art is a hastily rendered view of an incomplete model.
 
CentralFLlife

CentralFLlife

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crazy4disney said:
You would know more than i would but than how in theGood Lord’s name did they think a theater could possibly go there to a point of an actual announcement?!? Makes you seriously question them and their integrity
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There are like 8 parking spots for “upper management” and most of them are empty 75% of the time. They can also park on the other side of Main Street if they wanted.

MK in particular has tons, and I mean TONS, of stuff buried underground that wasn’t documented properly during construction. Most of it gets discovered when they dig a hole for a project.

What they loved to do in the past was abandon a line of something, and repurpose it for something else. Old AVAC lines in particular are filled with other utilities.
 
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J4546

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maybe if/when they redo Space Mountain (which I would be all for for various reasons) maybe they will be able to do something really incredible with the new SM as well as a theater in that general area of the park.
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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UNCgolf said:
I didn't say no demand. No demand implies that it would sit there unused.

It would get plenty of use, which is why it would be helpful. Thousands of people would go in and watch whatever was there every day.

Just because you personally wouldn't be interested doesn't mean it's a waste of money -- I'm personally not very interested in Guardians (I would never be willing to wait in a line for it) but that doesn't mean building it was a bad idea (putting aside any arguments about how much it cost, fit in EPCOT, etc.).
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Sure some people will use it. That’s not a standard or reason to spend millions of finite dollars on something. And to be honest I would likely use it, as I don’t ride roller coasters and will be much more likely to be on CoP than Tron. My opinion is on statistics bc whenever i am on CoP, I am almost alone, and have never waited in line. Meanwhile their are hour long waits at 7D, and 45min waits at Peter Pan or Haunted Mansion. Same holds true at HS. I don’t ever remember having a problem getting a FP or even walking into Indiana Jones or Frozen. The same can not be said for Rise, rocking roller coaster, or slinky.

It’s not personal or subjective. It’s about spending money on what most guests want, and that’s not a theater. Will people maybe walk into them if they have the time on their 3rd MK day, or if they have 30min to kill until a dining reservation? Sure maybe, but that’s not what Disney should be spending money on, something that people will walk into if they have time, as opposed to something people feel they can’t miss.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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CentralFLlife said:
There are like 8 parking spots for “upper management” and most of them are empty 75% of the time. They can also park on the other side of Main Street if they wanted.

MK in particular has tons, and I mean TONS, of stuff buried underground that wasn’t documented properly during construction. Most of it gets discovered when they dig a hole for a project.

What they loved to do in the past was abandon a line of something, and repurpose it for something else. Old AVAC lines in particular are filled with other utilities.
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This is not really anything unique to Magic Kingdom. That they got through Feasibility and approval thinking they could drop a box down should be a huge red flag.
 
the_rich

the_rich

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JMcMahonEsq said:
Sure some people will use it. That’s not a standard or reason to spend millions of finite dollars on something. And to be honest I would likely use it, as I don’t ride roller coasters and will be much more likely to be on CoP than Tron. My opinion is on statistics bc whenever i am on CoP, I am almost alone, and have never waited in line. Meanwhile their are hour long waits at 7D, and 45min waits at Peter Pan or Haunted Mansion. Same holds true at HS. I don’t ever remember having a problem getting a FP or even walking into Indiana Jones or Frozen. The same can not be said for Rise, rocking roller coaster, or slinky.

It’s not personal or subjective. It’s about spending money on what most guests want, and that’s not a theater. Will people maybe walk into them if they have the time on their 3rd MK day, or if they have 30min to kill until a dining reservation? Sure maybe, but that’s not what Disney should be spending money on, something that people will walk into if they have time, as opposed to something people feel they can’t miss.
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I disagree. If they could do something on particular to frozen in dca it would be a hit.
 
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James Alucobond

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JMcMahonEsq said:
It’s not personal or subjective. It’s about spending money on what most guests want, and that’s not a theater. Will people maybe walk into them if they have the time on their 3rd MK day, or if they have 30min to kill until a dining reservation? Sure maybe, but that’s not what Disney should be spending money on, something that people will walk into if they have time, as opposed to something people feel they can’t miss.
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Having everything feel unmissable is part of the problem. The proliferation of high-profile rides that only last several minutes at best drive greater crowds that are occupied for less time. They should absolutely be building high-capacity supporting attractions to help round out people's days. Sure, some of your aforementioned examples no longer pull their weight, but look at something like the PeopleMover; it's not revolutionary or exciting, but it absorbs tons of people every day and has, like, triple the capacity of TRON.
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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James Alucobond said:
Having everything feel unmissable is part of the problem. The proliferation of high-profile rides that only last several minutes at best drive greater crowds that are occupied for less time. They should absolutely be building high-capacity supporting attractions to help round out people's days. Sure, some of your aforementioned examples no longer pull their weight, but look at something like the PeopleMover; it's not revolutionary or exciting, but it absorbs tons of people every day and has, like, triple the capacity of TRON.
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Having more rides/attractions that are so good that people feel they are unmissable is not a problem, that is a sucess. That should be the goal. Ride length is something I subjectively agree with you on, but again I don't like coasters/fast thrill rides, so i am biased towards wanting my dark water type attractions which are generally longer than thrill rides. I love the people mover, but I don't want Disney spending new money to replicate something like that, and again nor do most people who visit the park. For most people, the people mover is a filler. I don't want money spent on fillers right now, as there isn't enough money in CAPEX spending right now to waste on fillers.

Now that doesn't mean you have to build thrill coasters like Tron. Rise is a family friendly non coaster ride that is a great experience. Same with Rattatoue in Epcot. I judge a ride by 1) how much fun I have on it, and 2) how many other people have fun on it. The number of new projects Disney has been undertaking is not large enough such that it should include rides that are designed as, people will get around to if they can't get on something they want to get on. They should be building things that everyone wants to get on.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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JMcMahonEsq said:
Having more rides/attractions that are so good that people feel they are unmissable is not a problem, that is a sucess. That should be the goal. Ride length is something I subjectively agree with you on, but again I don't like coasters/fast thrill rides, so i am biased towards wanting my dark water type attractions which are generally longer than thrill rides. I love the people mover, but I don't want Disney spending new money to replicate something like that, and again nor do most people who visit the park. For most people, the people mover is a filler. I don't want money spent on fillers right now, as there isn't enough money in CAPEX spending right now to waste on fillers.

Now that doesn't mean you have to build thrill coasters like Tron. Rise is a family friendly non coaster ride that is a great experience. Same with Rattatoue in Epcot. I judge a ride by 1) how much fun I have on it, and 2) how many other people have fun on it. The number of new projects Disney has been undertaking is not large enough such that it should include rides that are designed as, people will get around to if they can't get on something they want to get on. They should be building things that everyone wants to get on.
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No, they should not. The parks need capacity, not demand.
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
J4546 said:
maybe if/when they redo Space Mountain (which I would be all for for various reasons) maybe they will be able to do something really incredible with the new SM as well as a theater in that general area of the park.
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Hot take. Tron opens Space closes never to open again if they can figure out a way to reroute the people mover
 
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crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
JMcMahonEsq said:
Having more rides/attractions that are so good that people feel they are unmissable is not a problem, that is a sucess. That should be the goal. Ride length is something I subjectively agree with you on, but again I don't like coasters/fast thrill rides, so i am biased towards wanting my dark water type attractions which are generally longer than thrill rides. I love the people mover, but I don't want Disney spending new money to replicate something like that, and again nor do most people who visit the park. For most people, the people mover is a filler. I don't want money spent on fillers right now, as there isn't enough money in CAPEX spending right now to waste on fillers.

Now that doesn't mean you have to build thrill coasters like Tron. Rise is a family friendly non coaster ride that is a great experience. Same with Rattatoue in Epcot. I judge a ride by 1) how much fun I have on it, and 2) how many other people have fun on it. The number of new projects Disney has been undertaking is not large enough such that it should include rides that are designed as, people will get around to if they can't get on something they want to get on. They should be building things that everyone wants to get on.
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Rat imo is over rated. Did nothing for me tbh. Buts its what parks need. Nice rides that aren't going to wow everyone and create demand that becomes a negative effect
 
CentralFLlife

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lazyboy97o said:
This is not really anything unique to Magic Kingdom. That they got through Feasibility and approval thinking they could drop a box down should be a huge red flag.
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My experience w/ projects at MK was they know where things are underground, but they don't always know what is underground. They probably did all of those studies and believed what was down there was either redundant or was going to be easy to move. Then they dug a hole and immediately saw that what was on the drawings was not what was actually there. IIRC the project got canceled within days of digging a hole, so they knew it was a possibility & must have already had numbers on what it was going to cost to move things around.

Just another example of why Disney should finish site prep before they announce a project.
 
build_it

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In my daydreaming, I would take the current space mountain and gut the interior and create an amazing performance space there, and take the opportunity to build a new larger and more involved space mountain. Sort of create a space mountain range. A new space mountain that really takes it to a new level with new tech, etc. Not going to happen, but fun to think about…
 
Ismael Flores

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bhg469 said:
Potter is not Nintendo/Mario... I don't believe I said it would "ruin" WDW.. Universal will never be a destination for a segment of Disney guests for whatever reason. Universal is in a position to become the primary destination for many, aside from very sheltered Disney guests.. Heck some WDW guests swear they will never go to DL.. Universal will never take catch up to WDW but their goal is to take more people away from Disney for more days and they will absolutely accomplish this with the new park and they may even take away 3-4 days of that weeks vacation.
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I have a feeling that the guests will not come from WDW visitors but instead parks like sea world will be the ones to suffer
And Universal will see a shift in attendance from one of its other parks.
WDW might just see a small drop in overal length of stay and maybe not that huge of a change.
Tourist know that value wise longer stays means lower pricing for per day tickets.

Speaking of Universal, does the company have a solid plan on how to move guests from the existing resort to the third park land? Is it going to use a bus system thru city streets?
 

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